Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?

[misty]

Silvia never actually said she saw him. She said she saw;

an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann...... That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

So someone told her it was him, she didn't know him. In fact she suggests that other people are asked;

She admits as possible that Paul and June of the bar "Duke of Holland" and Mr. Byron of the firm JNB (management of properties in PDL) should be able to confirm if Robert Murat was there when Madeleine disappeared, and eventually other details.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Most of the other stuff about Silvia, responsibilities and baby sitters seems to be from Portuguese news articles. Are they more or less trustworthy than UK news articles I wonder?

If Sylvia didn't know Murat, how did she know that the Wrights & Mr Byron knew him?

[Robittybob1]

snip ...

So, Sylvia still managed to get her identification of the man she saw the night before wrong?

It might be possible she is confusing what she saw on the night of the 4th with what was on the night of the 3rd for there is that real strange bit in her statement where she asks the PJ to confirm what she is saying by them asking these two unknown characters.

What is she really saying here?  "She admits as possible that Paul and June of the bar "Duke of Holland" and Mr. Byron of the firm JNB (management of properties in PDL) should be able to confirm if Robert Murat was there when Madeleine disappeared, and eventually other details."

Is this saying that these are the people who were going to give Robert an alibi?  Or were they near to where Silvia was when she saw Robert at the G5 apartment block?

Silvia never actually said she saw him. She said she saw;

an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann...... That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

So someone told her it was him, she didn't know him. In fact she suggests that other people are asked;

She admits as possible that Paul and June of the bar "Duke of Holland" and Mr. Byron of the firm JNB (management of properties in PDL) should be able to confirm if Robert Murat was there when Madeleine disappeared, and eventually other details.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Most of the other stuff about Silvia, responsibilities and baby sitters seems to be from Portuguese news articles. Are they more or less trustworthy than UK news articles I wonder?

Did they follow up with these three names to confirm it?

If Sylvia didn't know Murat, how did she know that the Wrights & Mr Byron knew him?

Bloody good question. 

[Robittybob1]

Silvia never actually said she saw him. She said she saw;

an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann...... That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

So someone told her it was him, she didn't know him. In fact she suggests that other people are asked;

She admits as possible that Paul and June of the bar "Duke of Holland" and Mr. Byron of the firm JNB (management of properties in PDL) should be able to confirm if Robert Murat was there when Madeleine disappeared, and eventually other details.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Most of the other stuff about Silvia, responsibilities and baby sitters seems to be from Portuguese news articles. Are they more or less trustworthy than UK news articles I wonder?

Basically she is saying she spoke to or spoke to another party about this individual for how else could she have known that he "wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann"?

[Robittybob1]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5701.msg281802#msg281802

Pegasus makes a series of claims in there that may or may not have merit.
Robert Murat's hair isn't light brown but it isn't black either. 
Silvia doesn't say anything about the lens colour of his glasses.
His comment re the expats learning Portuguese reveals something too.

One important point to note is that if RM or whoever was there, he was there interpreting before Silvia Batista turned up.   She had been specifically called in by her manager to act as the interpreter so she would find another interpreter a potential conflict of interest.

[Robittybob1]

Something else has come up http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1566.msg46472#msg46472

"Heriberto Janosch states: "The bad procedure I saw in the videos is that Silvia Batista (a witness and OC manager) was inside the apartment when Eddie was searching (you can see her legs). The right procedure would be she giving the apartment key and waiting outside. Heri." 

This could be significant if she was involved in anyway otherwise what difference would it make?  Where they going to take more hair or DNA samples after the dog searches - well they did take swabs of the blood spots.  So yes but she had already been in there on the night anyway.

[Robittybob1]

The thing that bothers me more than others is that Silvia Batista controlled the keys so had control over which apartments Eddie checked. 
If there was any potential involvement in the removal of a cadaver from 5A by Ocean Club staff having control over which rooms she allowed Martin Grimes access to becomes really significant theoretically.

[Robittybob1]

I feel there is becoming a case for Silvia to be questioned by SY.

Did she state in an interview that she had offered babysitting services to the McCanns that day?  This is a really important issue for it could even through causality result in a motive something like "I'll teach those people a lesson for being so slack in their child minding and for turning me down!"

[misty]

The thing that bothers me more than others is that Silvia Batista controlled the keys so had control over which apartments Eddie checked. 
If there was any potential involvement in the removal of a cadaver from 5A by Ocean Club staff having control over which rooms she allowed Martin Grimes access to becomes really significant theoretically.

There were guests in the rooms Grime had been asked to check so I don't really see an issue with SB having access to the keys in the circumstances.
08-Processo Vol 8...Pages 2218 to 2221
also Outros Apensos IV, Vol I Pages 281 to 284
08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2218
 
08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2219
 
08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2220
 
08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2221
 

Page 2220 :

*snipped*
The people undersigned and identified are temporarily lodgers, during their holidays, of the apartments, also identified.

They state that they authorise that Portuguese and English police officers displace themselves to the said apartments, on July 31 (Note : plus August also included but no date indicated), between 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. This is the reason why they gave the keys of the said apartments to Mrs. Silvia Baptista, Manager of the Ocean Club Resort.

[Robittybob1]

OK I had seen those before.  But take apartment 5C for instance - there was no check on that one.
"4G Apartment
Mr. Jerrett
British passport No : 20XXXXXXX
(Signed)

5A Apartment : empty apartment,
Ocean Club Manager, Mrs. Silvia Baptista
(Signed)

5B Apartment
Mrs. Amery
British passport No : 30XXXXXXX
(Signed)

Page 2221 :

5D Apartment
Mr. Farrel
British passport No : 45XXXXXXX
(Signed)

5H Apartment
Mr. Brossington
British passport No : 10XXXXXXX
(Signed)"

[misty]

OK I had seen those before.  But take apartment 5C for instance - there was no check on that one.
"4G Apartment
Mr. Jerrett
British passport No : 20XXXXXXX
(Signed)

5A Apartment : empty apartment,
Ocean Club Manager, Mrs. Silvia Baptista
(Signed)

5B Apartment
Mrs. Amery
British passport No : 30XXXXXXX
(Signed)

Page 2221 :

5D Apartment
Mr. Farrel
British passport No : 45XXXXXXX
(Signed)

5H Apartment
Mr. Brossington
British passport No : 10XXXXXXX
(Signed)"

That was a failure but not as big as failing to take the dogs into 5J. However, I don't believe Eddie would have signalled in any other apartment.

[Robittybob1]

That was a failure but not as big as failing to take the dogs into 5J. However, I don't believe Eddie would have signalled in any other apartment.

My original point is why weren't those two apartments checked?  That is not covered in the file, was it simply Silvia saying "I don't have the key".

What was happening in 5J, why did you think it important to check it?
It is an error to prejudge the outcomes of the checks not done.

[misty]

My original point is why weren't those two apartments checked?  That is not covered in the file, was it simply Silvia saying "I don't have the key".

What was happening in 5J, why did you think it important to check it?
It is an error to prejudge the outcomes of the checks not done.

You could argue that all the apartments in blocks 2,4.5 & 6 should have been checked by the cadaver dogs.
5J was the apartment which was apparently unoccupied during the McCanns stay & the days after yet the s&r dogs were very interested in the door. It was subsequently discovered that the fridge door was open inside & a quantity of rotten food was emitting odour. The PJ had to break into the property as no-one local had a key.

[Robittybob1]

You could argue that all the apartments in blocks 2,4.5 & 6 should have been checked by the cadaver dogs.
5J was the apartment which was apparently unoccupied during the McCanns stay & the days after yet the s&r dogs were very interested in the door. It was subsequently discovered that the fridge door was open inside & a quantity of rotten food was emitting odour. The PJ had to break into the property as no-one local had a key.

It is worth considering.  The logistics of searching multiple premises becomes a nightmare.  Should this type of search been done in the first few days, sniffer /tracker dogs and cadaver dogs in tandem checking every building within 500 meters of apartment 5A, even that would take days and would they need search warrants and permission for each residence?

[G-Unit]

If Sylvia didn't know Murat, how did she know that the Wrights & Mr Byron knew him?

They were standing near the man she saw? Maybe speaking to him?

[Robittybob1]

What I couldn't understand is why Silvia's evidence about Robert Murat was allowed to remain in the file even though she didn't turn up at the confrontational meeting between Robert Murat and the three other who identified him in the file (all three were from the Tapas 7 group).

Pegasus kept on saying this was because SB didn't feel confident about her accusation.  OK but then she should have been re-questioned and her statement changed.

This topic was tackled on this previous post:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5701.msg282148#msg282148
"Despite the exhaustive and methodical investigation into MURAT and the persons close to him, no elements whatsoever were collected to relate him to the crime that was under investigation, and it should be noted that contrary to what witnesses within the group stated concerning his hypothetical participation in the searches on the night of the disappearance, other witnesses (like SILVIA BAPTISTA and elements of the GNR) asserted that they had not seen him during those diligences." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

Yet it is in her statement as "She doesn't remember who was with him, whether he came walking or in some vehicle. That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
Robert speaks fluently English and Portuguese. He helped the GNR of Lagos and later the PJ, translating the testimony of some British persons."
So indirectly she identifies Robert Murat so I wonder what  diligences the final report is referring to?

They were standing near the man she saw? Maybe speaking to him?

Where did you get that from please?