Are the cadaver alerts evidence

[Robittybob1]

Try another scenario
cadaver odour takes time to develop  [True so don't change this]
if an intruder killed maddie how could that odour develop [change this]
did he leave the body for an hour then come back [interesting]

if cadaver odour was present then realistically it would point to the parents [the parents are at the table]
this is why the sceptics insist the alerts are accurate

They do hold up perfectly
The dog alerted but the alert provided no reliable evidence

Suspicion not evidence.

[stephen25000]

Try another scenario
cadaver odour takes time to develop  [True so don't change this]
if an intruder killed maddie how could that odour develop [change this]
did he leave the body for an hour then come back [interesting]

if cadaver odour was present then realistically it would point to the parents [the parents are at the table]
this is why the sceptics insist the alerts are accurate
Suspicion not evidence.

You don't need an intruder to explain the presence of a body.

The dogs detection of 'odours' due to a body , would depend on: where the body had lain; for how long; had it been moved; temperature; secondary transfer; etc.

[Mr Gray]

Try another scenario
cadaver odour takes time to develop  [True so don't change this]
if an intruder killed maddie how could that odour develop [change this]
did he leave the body for an hour then come back [interesting]

if cadaver odour was present then realistically it would point to the parents [the parents are at the table]
this is why the sceptics insist the alerts are accurate
Suspicion not evidence.

#precisely

[Mr Gray]

You don't need an intruder to explain the presence of a body.

The dogs detection of 'odours' due to a body , would depend on: where the body had lain; for how long; had it been moved; temperature; secondary transfer; etc.

but there is no reliable evidence thre ever was a body in that apartmnet....fact

[Alice Purjorick]

but there is no reliable evidence thre ever was a body in that apartmnet....fact

The dog is trained to alert to cadaver odour.
The cadaver dog alerted.
Possible reasons:
The dog alerted to cadaver odour caused by a cadaver having been present.
The dog gave a false alert caused by errror within or without the normally accepted operating tolerances.

To be determined from the alert:
Was the dog's alert false?
Had a cadaver been present?
When?
Who?

So far it sits as "it can't be ruled it in nor can it be ruled out" as no evidence has yet been uncovered to support either eventuality.
Stick it in the column marked "So far inexplicable" and move on.

[Mr Gray]

The dog is trained to alert to cadaver odour.
The cadaver dog alerted.
Possible reasons:
The dog alerted to cadaver odour caused by a cadaver having been present.
The dog gave a false alert caused by errror within or without the normally accepted operating tolerances.

To be determined from the alert:
Was the dog's alert false?
Had a cadaver been present?
When?
Who?

So far it sits as "it can't be ruled it in nor can it be ruled out" as no evidence has yet been uncovered to support either eventuality.
Stick it in the column marked "So far inexplicable" and move on.

So maddie may have died in the apartment or she may not......I said that about 2 yeras ago here........we know taht without the alerts

[jassi]

So maddie may have died in the apartment or she may not......I said that about 2 yeras ago here........we know taht without the alerts

Really?  Why should you think that if it were not for dog alerts raising that suspicion.

Without the dogs, I'm sure you would have been vehemently denying any possibility of Madeleine dying in the apartment.

[Mr Gray]

Really?  Why should you think that if it were not for dog alerts raising that suspicion.

Without the dogs, I'm sure you would have been vehemently denying any possibility of Madeleine dying in the apartment.

well you are wrong

as i said some time ago the dogs were brought in because it was possible maddie died in the apartment

why do you think a cadaver dog was brought in

[Eleanor]

Has anyone actually been arrested?  Is there any definitive reason to assume that The McCanns are even remotely culpable?

The nastiness continues to defeat me.

The one real problem was that poor old Eddie didn't know what he was supposed to do.  Martin Grime made a bad choice by using a dog that had already been programmed to do something else.
The fault remains entirely that of Martin Grime.

[jassi]

well you are wrong

as i said some time ago the dogs were brought in because it was possible maddie died in the apartment

why do you think a cadaver dog was brought in

The point I am making is   if the dogs had not been brought in, you would be denying the possibility of Madeleine dying in the apartment.

[slartibartfast]

posting your opinion as fact and its absolute rubbish

Why not just say you would accept the possibility of her dying without the dog alerts?

[Alice Purjorick]

So maddie may have died in the apartment or she may not......I said that about 2 yeras ago here........we know taht without the alerts

It would have been far more impressive had you said it more than three years and three months ago.

[Mr Gray]

It would have been far more impressive had you said it more than three years and three months ago.

i may well have done....i have said it many times

[slartibartfast]

i have already said that....post 67.... yet this poster contradicts me and tells me what i would and would not believe

Post 67 doesn't really cover it. You said why the dogs were brought in.

[Alice Purjorick]

i may well have done....i have said it many times

A cite for all to see would be handy.