Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.

[Alice Purjorick]

I could very well be wrong on this but so far no-one is posting up anything to correct me.

If the information is still under some sort of embargo, it is my opinion that someone somewhere is in serious breach of the law in Portugal or contempt of court, one or both.

The only relevant question is whether or not the scuttlebutt that the courts did not find in favour of Drs McCann is true. It would appear the scuttlebutt is true. The translation of all 76 pages into English is then rather superfluous/irrelevant to the result.
I can see the translation being pored over by uninformed nitpickers with words like "well it's obvious what is meant there is..............." perm any one from six to suit the theory being propounded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqhdRs4jyA

[jassi]

some people cant accept that can they??

Well, when you've targeted someone as an enemy for years, it's difficult to accept it's over and  let go without the occasional snipe. 

[Alice Purjorick]

Well, when you've targeted someone as an enemy for years, it's difficult to accept it's over and  let go without the occasional snipe.

Even as Parthians, as it were, they are crap. At least the Parthians managed to stick it in the target when firing backwards....

[xtina]

But it is here already xtina.  Courtesy of blogs which are very much 'on message' which unfortunately is very much their message.

 
not quite sure what you mean .........but

 pursuing this case to the Supreme Court has resulted in.... significantly more damage than anything in the book

they have brought ....every single thing .on themselves....

they didn't only want the book banned .but to ruin GA as well ...with a million pound pay off

[faithlilly]

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/judges-demolish-mccanns-innocence.html

Judges demolish McCanns' innocence
by Joana Morais 4 hrs ago
Court acquits Gonçalo Amaral and points out that the couple was constituted as arguidos (suspects) with a "well-founded suspicion" of having committed a crime.



Kate and Gerry McCann are demolished in the judgement of the Supreme Court in which the former coordinator of the PJ is acquitted of paying half a million euros to the parents of the girl who disappeared in May 2007 in the Algarve. At stake is the book 'Maddie: The Truth of the Lie', in which Amaral argues that the girl died in an accident and that the body was concealed by the parents, who simulated an abduction.

The McCanns felt aggrieved by the book and sued the author. The Judge-Counsellors replied: "The defendant [Gonçalo Amaral] expressed his opinion in the light of the evidence and indications gathered in the investigation opened in virtue of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 (...) Incidentally, the claimants (appellants, applicants) were constituted as arguidos in a criminal investigation, which implies that there was a well-founded suspicion of having committed crimes or crimes."

Kate and Gerry understand that the book is an attack on their honour and that the content results from the breach of professional secrecy by Gonçalo Amaral.

The Judge-Counsellors continue: "It is true that the criminal investigation was eventually archived, in virtue of none of the evidence that led to the constitution of the claimants as arguidos was confirmed. Nonetheless, even in the archiving dispatch serious reservations are made about the verisimilitude (reality of) of the allegation that Madeleine had been abducted."

As to the presumption of innocence invoked by the parents, they (Judges) consider that one should not say "that the claimants were acquitted through the order of archiving the criminal proceedings (investigation). The archiving was determined because it was not possible to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes. It does not seem reasonable to consider that said archiving dispatch, based on insufficient evidence, should be equated as substantiation (proof) of exoneration".

in Correio da Manhã, February 8, 2017

[carlymichelle]

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/judges-demolish-mccanns-innocence.html

Judges demolish McCanns' innocence
by Joana Morais 4 hrs ago
Court acquits Gonçalo Amaral and points out that the couple was constituted as arguidos (suspects) with a "well-founded suspicion" of having committed a crime.



Kate and Gerry McCann are demolished in the judgement of the Supreme Court in which the former coordinator of the PJ is acquitted of paying half a million euros to the parents of the girl who disappeared in May 2007 in the Algarve. At stake is the book 'Maddie: The Truth of the Lie', in which Amaral argues that the girl died in an accident and that the body was concealed by the parents, who simulated an abduction.

The McCanns felt aggrieved by the book and sued the author. The Judge-Counsellors replied: "The defendant [Gonçalo Amaral] expressed his opinion in the light of the evidence and indications gathered in the investigation opened in virtue of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 (...) Incidentally, the claimants (appellants, applicants) were constituted as arguidos in a criminal investigation, which implies that there was a well-founded suspicion of having committed crimes or crimes."

Kate and Gerry understand that the book is an attack on their honour and that the content results from the breach of professional secrecy by Gonçalo Amaral.

The Judge-Counsellors continue: "It is true that the criminal investigation was eventually archived, in virtue of none of the evidence that led to the constitution of the claimants as arguidos was confirmed. Nonetheless, even in the archiving dispatch serious reservations are made about the verisimilitude (reality of) of the allegation that Madeleine had been abducted."

As to the presumption of innocence invoked by the parents, they (Judges) consider that one should not say "that the claimants were acquitted through the order of archiving the criminal proceedings (investigation). The archiving was determined because it was not possible to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes. It does not seem reasonable to consider that said archiving dispatch, based on insufficient evidence, should be equated as substantiation (proof) of exoneration".

in Correio da Manhã, February 8, 2017

  i posted that and it got  ignored

[Alfie]

Already been mentioned, I believe. His position has no bearing on that of the McCanns.

It's the principle though.  If the McCanns, having been arguidos, are not allowed the presumption of innocence then that surely goes for all the arguidos.  If not, perhaps someone can point to something in the judgement that means that only the McCanns innocence is not allowed to be presumed. 

[ferryman]

Unfortunately, this cr*p really is out there, but just not, thank goodness, in the UK media.

Someone at Stop the Myths who lives in Holland says it's all over their media.

[G-Unit]

It's the principle though.  If the McCanns, having been arguidos, are not allowed the presumption of innocence then that surely goes for all the arguidos.  If not, perhaps someone can point to something in the judgement that means that only the McCanns innocence is not allowed to be presumed.

I think what the judges are saying is that the archiving dispatch cannot be used as proof of innocence, because it isn't. The inference being that the McCann's/their lawyers argued that it was.

[jassi]

Unfortunately, this cr*p really is out there, but just not, thank goodness, in the UK media.

Someone at Stop the Myths who lives in Holland says it's all over their media.

Only a matter of time. MSM will be eager as anyone else to sell papers

[Alfie]

Only a matter of time. MSM will be eager as anyone else to sell papers

Oh, haven't you heard?  No one's interested in the McCanns anymore and stories about them don't sell papers, they only put them on the front page because the stories are free.   I learned that from Faithlilly so it must be true.   

[Alice Purjorick]

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/judges-demolish-mccanns-innocence.html

Judges demolish McCanns' innocence
by Joana Morais 4 hrs ago
Court acquits Gonçalo Amaral and points out that the couple was constituted as arguidos (suspects) with a "well-founded suspicion" of having committed a crime.



Kate and Gerry McCann are demolished in the judgement of the Supreme Court in which the former coordinator of the PJ is acquitted of paying half a million euros to the parents of the girl who disappeared in May 2007 in the Algarve. At stake is the book 'Maddie: The Truth of the Lie', in which Amaral argues that the girl died in an accident and that the body was concealed by the parents, who simulated an abduction.

The McCanns felt aggrieved by the book and sued the author. The Judge-Counsellors replied: "The defendant [Gonçalo Amaral] expressed his opinion in the light of the evidence and indications gathered in the investigation opened in virtue of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 (...) Incidentally, the claimants (appellants, applicants) were constituted as arguidos in a criminal investigation, which implies that there was a well-founded suspicion of having committed crimes or crimes."

Kate and Gerry understand that the book is an attack on their honour and that the content results from the breach of professional secrecy by Gonçalo Amaral.

The Judge-Counsellors continue: "It is true that the criminal investigation was eventually archived, in virtue of none of the evidence that led to the constitution of the claimants as arguidos was confirmed. Nonetheless, even in the archiving dispatch serious reservations are made about the verisimilitude (reality of) of the allegation that Madeleine had been abducted."

As to the presumption of innocence invoked by the parents, they (Judges) consider that one should not say "that the claimants were acquitted through the order of archiving the criminal proceedings (investigation). The archiving was determined because it was not possible to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes. It does not seem reasonable to consider that said archiving dispatch, based on insufficient evidence, should be equated as substantiation (proof) of exoneration".

in Correio da Manhã, February 8, 2017

Good men! clearly fans of The Mikado.

[ferryman]

I think what the judges are saying is that the archiving dispatch cannot be used as proof of innocence, because it isn't. The inference being that the McCann's/their lawyers argued that it was.

In countries where the rule of law is respected, there is never a requirement on those accused to 'prove' their innocence; rather, on their accusers to prove their guilt.

The whole "case" against Kate and Gerry pretty much rests on the incompetent deployment of one dog (in particular).

[pathfinder73]

“While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”  Leicester Police in Court

Nothing has changed as I've said countless times. Only the naive would believe they have been cleared whatever others say to control the circus.

"We give information whilst it’s appropriate to produce but whilst there’s an investigation going on and where it’s potentially murder, we say very little, we say very little. You read a lot in the press but that doesn’t come from us. We deal with about 250 murders a year and all of them are dealt with in exactly the same way in terms of how we deal with the media."

"The Portuguese Authorities, the Portuguese Police retain lead."

http://fakedabduction.com/2011/08/operation-grange-madeleine-mccann-a-potential-murder-enquiry/

[Alfie]

“While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”  Leicester Police in Court

Nothing has changed as I've said countless times. Only the naive would believe they have been cleared whatever others say to control the circus.

"We give information whilst it’s appropriate to produce but whilst there’s an investigation going on and where it’s potentially murder, we say very little, we say very little. You read a lot in the press but that doesn’t come from us. We deal with about 250 murders a year and all of them are dealt with in exactly the same way in terms of how we deal with the media."

"The Portuguese Authorities, the Portuguese Police retain lead."

http://fakedabduction.com/2011/08/operation-grange-madeleine-mccann-a-potential-murder-enquiry/

Do you not think that linking to a cite called "Faked Abduction" is libellous?