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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1590 on: February 12, 2017, 11:23:24 AM »
In civil proceedings there is no question of criminal guilt so no need to presume innocence but in this case Amaral is saying the McCanns are guilty so it must not be a civil matter.
But that is the step after.  It was Amaral stating/ implying the McCanns were guilty that started the civil proceedings.

Whose step after?
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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1591 on: February 12, 2017, 01:01:51 PM »
In civil proceedings there is no question of criminal guilt so no need to presume innocence but in this case Amaral is saying the McCanns are guilty so it must not be a civil matter.
But that is the step after.  It was Amaral stating/ implying the McCanns were guilty that started the civil proceedings.

What he said was said in the official case files which anyone could read.

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1592 on: February 12, 2017, 02:55:46 PM »
In 2013, 99.9 % of cases brought to the attention of the E.C.H.R. from the UK, were not accepted or failed.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jan/30/european-court-human-rights-case-backlog-falls

' The ECHR's annual statistics also show that nearly 99.9% of the 1,652 UK cases brought to the court in 2013 were declared inadmissible or struck out. '

But made a good few bucks for UK eagle legals.. them hoomin rights people playing the money roulette- nothng to do with Justice lol
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1593 on: February 12, 2017, 06:13:54 PM »
What he said was said in the official case files which anyone could read.
Only said in a report by Tavares de Almeida all based on supposition.  There ended up being no facts that supported Tavares in the end.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1594 on: February 12, 2017, 06:14:56 PM »
Whose step after?
Stage then if you can't understand step.
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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1595 on: February 12, 2017, 06:47:13 PM »
Only said in a report by Tavares de Almeida all based on supposition.  There ended up being no facts that supported Tavares in the end.

That was the position of the investigation on 10th September 2007. What followed later is immaterial, although many of the same questions were included in the Archiving dispatch. 
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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1596 on: February 12, 2017, 09:24:58 PM »
That was the position of the investigation on 10th September 2007. What followed later is immaterial, although many of the same questions were included in the Archiving dispatch.
You are right it is a matter of understanding the timing of each event not just the outcome. 
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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1597 on: February 13, 2017, 01:37:03 AM »
Please be aware that the 75-page Supreme Court Judgement of 31st January 2017 is now available on the forum.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7937.msg383226#msg383226
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1598 on: February 14, 2017, 11:16:22 AM »
It would appear that the Express labelled people as 'trolls' simply because they used the internet;

INTERNET trolls are funding the legal bills of a shamed Portuguese detective who claimed Madeleine McCann’s parents were behind her disappearance.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/574685/Online-trolls-pay-Madeleine-McCann-libel-detective-s-legal-bills-on-eight-year-anniversary

The so-called 'trolls' spotted the potential for a miscarriage of justice if Amaral was unable to appeal, and they were right. Justice was being denied because a man had his assets seized by the opposing party; existing and future income from book sales, half of his pension and a house. What compensation will be seen as proportionate I can't imagine.
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« Reply #1599 on: February 14, 2017, 02:33:07 PM »
It would appear that the Express labelled people as 'trolls' simply because they used the internet;

INTERNET trolls are funding the legal bills of a shamed Portuguese detective who claimed Madeleine McCann’s parents were behind her disappearance.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/574685/Online-trolls-pay-Madeleine-McCann-libel-detective-s-legal-bills-on-eight-year-anniversary

The so-called 'trolls' spotted the potential for a miscarriage of justice if Amaral was unable to appeal, and they were right. Justice was being denied because a man had his assets seized by the opposing party; existing and future income from book sales, half of his pension and a house. What compensation will be seen as proportionate I can't imagine.

Please bear in mind that the McCanns had nothing to do with half Amaral's pension being arrested ... that was in relation to unpaid taxes to the Portuguese State.

His house was actually his brother's house as the Portuguese courts decided in a case brought against Amaral for fraud.

Neither does taking legal action for defamation comes cheap ... he did lose his case against the Cipriano lawyer.

Divorce actions don't come cheap either ... and there was a divorce prior to his second marriage.

The McCanns sued because of the book he wrote exploiting their missing daughter and which defamed them.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1600 on: February 14, 2017, 02:40:08 PM »
Please bear in mind that the McCanns had nothing to do with half Amaral's pension being arrested ... that was in relation to unpaid taxes to the Portuguese State.

His house was actually his brother's house as the Portuguese courts decided in a case brought against Amaral for fraud.

Neither does taking legal action for defamation comes cheap ... he did lose his case against the Cipriano lawyer.

Divorce actions don't come cheap either ... and there was a divorce prior to his second marriage.

The McCanns sued because of the book he wrote exploiting their missing daughter and which defamed them.



At least that's what they thought.  How wrong they were.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1601 on: February 14, 2017, 02:46:27 PM »
At least that's what they thought.  How wrong they were.

If you would be content not to defend your honour against heinous accusations ... that is for you.  Madeleine's right to a presumption of life and theirs to a presumption of innocence was of import to them ... I can see why it is, if you can't that again is for you.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1602 on: February 14, 2017, 02:56:13 PM »
If you would be content not to defend your honour against heinous accusations ... that is for you.  Madeleine's right to a presumption of life and theirs to a presumption of innocence was of import to them ... I can see why it is, if you can't that again is for you.

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1603 on: February 14, 2017, 03:33:33 PM »
Please bear in mind that the McCanns had nothing to do with half Amaral's pension being arrested ... that was in relation to unpaid taxes to the Portuguese State.

His house was actually his brother's house as the Portuguese courts decided in a case brought against Amaral for fraud.


Neither does taking legal action for defamation comes cheap ... he did lose his case against the Cipriano lawyer.

Divorce actions don't come cheap either ... and there was a divorce prior to his second marriage.

The McCanns sued because of the book he wrote exploiting their missing daughter and which defamed them.

That (bolded) all seems to emanate from an internet poster who was unable to provide cites. Are you able to provide cites?

The McCanns weren't defamed according to two Courts in Portugal, whatever they thought.



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Offline ChloeR

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #1604 on: February 14, 2017, 03:49:23 PM »
I do not completely agree with Amaral/PJs theory on this, mainly as my views change all the time, though I do think his theory is about as likely as an abductor entering the apartment between checks and taking Madeleine without any evidence or witnesses. However, I am glad Amaral was given the opportunity to actually defend himself. I found the way this was brought about to be horrendous, freezing his assets and making it unlikely he could afford a defense. Whatever your views on this case, surely you agree that everyone should be entitled to a defense and cases should never be won simply by whoever has the cash to do so.

I find the part about the McCanns not being cleared..interesting. I do not think this is the court suggesting guilt, and I think the only reason this part was included was because the McCanns have shouted from the rooftops that they were indeed cleared due to the shelving when it was not the case..as such it was relevant in the ruling.

I still find it peculiar that they went after Amaral yet did not attempt to sue the people who have ripped them off throughout this whole ordeal. Hundreds of thousands of pounds from the fund paid into dodgy private detective agencies and thats apparently fine? Very strange.

All in all, I feel this ruling is correct. Even if I didn't, who am I to go against the decision of the Supreme Court. they obviously know the law better than I do.