Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?

[G-Unit]

In my opinion it indeed is a question of morality when there are those who have felt themselves driven to condemn a bereaved family in the most calculatedly vicious terms ... and to keep doing so without let or hindrance for approaching ten years.

It conduct which is morally indefensible as well as indefensible in apportioning blame to individuals who are innocent in the eyes of the law.

Does questioning the logic of someone's documented actions amount to being 'driven to condemn a bereaved family in the most calculatedly vicious terms'? I think not.

[carlymichelle]

Does questioning the logic of someone's documented actions amount to being 'driven to condemn a bereaved family in the most calculatedly vicious terms'? I think not.

exactly no one likes  censorship  supporters would love us to  stop  talking about this wouldnt they

[Robittybob1]

Once upon a bittybob..................

So you failed miserably.

[ShiningInLuz]

I think you are over-egging the pudding somewhat.  It wasn't a strange place, it was a place they had stayed for several days, a home from home if you like.  They didn't just plonk Madeleine in a random dark room in the middle of nowhere and leave her.  She knew where she was a propos the Tapas restaurant for example.  But I don't recall that the McCanns ever said they expected Madeleine to physically make her own way to their table.  If she had needed them she could have called to them from the balcony and been heard.   But if you prefer to view the McCanns as lunatics then that's your prerogative.

You appear to be saying the McCanns thought Madeleine could call to them, when Kate left the twins rather than calling to Gerry.  Is that correct?

[Robittybob1]

It is self-evident Brietta.

So, just to remind you, everything was set in motion when the Mccann's left their children in unlocked accomodation, with infrequent , short checks, for several nights in a row.

Inexcusable behaviour, but you of course will never admit that, and then the question is why you never admit the McCann's did wrong.

OK so the wheels of motion started from the time they arrived in Portugal or something like that, when the T9 started thinking about always going to the Tapas Restaurant rather than the Millennium.

[Robittybob1]

It was elementary commonsense, not to do what they did.

Likewise, the statement that they felt self in the resort falls down, with one simple aspect of their behaviour, locking the apartment during the daytime.

As to 'abduction'...................................

Why didn't their friends pull them up on it then if the problem started so early.

[ShiningInLuz]

OK so the wheels of motion started from the time they arrived in Portugal or something like that, when the T9 started thinking about always going to the Tapas Restaurant rather than the Millennium.

That gives you from when the T9 decided upon a block booking to when Madeleine disappeared.

[Robittybob1]

Anyone suggesting that a door is left unlocked to allow a small child to get out of an apartment onto a dangerous balcony is forgetting that the resort warned guests not to allow children to use the balcony without supervision. Not that any parent with any sense would.

Did that warning apply to the ground floor balconies as well?

[Robittybob1]

That gives you from when the T9 decided upon a block booking to when Madeleine disappeared.

Thanks - Quite a long period of time then.
Was this the 4th night of their group listening service? Mon Tues Wed and the fateful Thursday.

[stephen25000]

So you failed miserably.

No bob, try harder.

Perhaps one day you will do better.

[stephen25000]

In my opinion it indeed is a question of morality when there are those who have felt themselves driven to condemn a bereaved family in the most calculatedly vicious terms ... and to keep doing so without let or hindrance for approaching ten years.

It conduct which is morally indefensible as well as indefensible in apportioning blame to individuals who are innocent in the eyes of the law.

A matter of perception.

You defend the indefensible.

[Robittybob1]

A matter of perception.

You defend the indefensible.

And you are the knight in shining armour who is going to correct all wrongs.

[ShiningInLuz]

If anyone wants to post information that relates to the twins in the current time please get prior approval from the forum owner.

Information that has been published in a 'bona-fide' media outlet is fine.  Social media posts are going to get flushed on sight, unless it is made clear John has approved them.

The PM system exists for a reason.

[jassi]

"Woke and wandered" is dangerous to the McCanns how exactly?

Twofold
If she had woke & wandered then they are responsible for allowing that to happen. No one else to blame.
Secondly if  abduction from the apartment is exclude by W&W then they have to explain the open window, the raised shutter and the ever changing door angle, on all of which they have put such emphasis

Therefore the woke & wandered theory has to be played down and denied.  All IMO, of course

[The Singularity]

Twofold
If she had woke & wandered then they are responsible for allowing that to happen. No one else to blame.

There is no putting this in any favourable light, unfortunately it is true. A poor decision was made that with hindsight contributed to Madeleine disappearing. Although I will say apportioning blame to either of Madeleine's parents does not forward any investigation and I also strongly suspect they accept their responsibility and fundamentally regret it. Always will.

Secondly if  abduction from the apartment is exclude by W&W then they have to explain the open window, the raised shutter and the ever changing door angle, on all of which they have put such emphasis

Therefore the woke & wandered theory has to be played down and denied.  All IMO, of course

Yes the statements regarding windows and shutters, bedroom and interior doors seem to be confused, however it has to be pointed out that these alone, or taken into context of the crime scene are not in anyway conducive to explaining what took place. I am more inclined to believe that controversy surrounding these was down to confused statements and jaded recollections.

With your concluding comment, I think that's an astute observation. Personally there is evidence to indicate that her parents were controlling the narrative because, let's assume for a moment, that they had nothing to do with this, they would want to promote the theory they believe in or is being investigated. Anytime the focus returns to them and they know it is a waste of time will be deeply frustrating for them.