Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?

[stephen25000]

It seems to have been much more than an 'opinion' for the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard ... both investigative bodies have spent a considerable amount of time, resources and money investigating abduction.

...and they have neither found Madeleine, or how she disappeared from the apartment.

[Brietta]

...and they have neither found Madeleine, or how she disappeared from the apartment.

No internet armchair detective does ... it is possible if not probable that the real ones have a fair idea.

[jassi]

...and they have neither found Madeleine, or how she disappeared from the apartment.

Must be disappointing for the officers - so much time expended, so little to show for it.

[stephen25000]

No internet armchair detective does ... it is possible if not probable that the real ones have a fair idea.

In your view of course.

[barrier]

It seems to have been much more than an 'opinion' for the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard ... both investigative bodies have spent a considerable amount of time, resources and money investigating abduction.

We know roughly what the brits have spent,couldn't give a link or update as to what the Portuguese have spent in terms of time and money on the second investigation could you.

[Brietta]

We know roughly what the brits have spent,couldn't give a link or update as to what the Portuguese have spent in terms of time and money on the second investigation could you.

Having primacy in the investigation one would make the assumption the contribution would match if not surpass the sum invested by the British authorities.
If it really is of interest to you perhaps the Portuguese equivalent of a freedom of information request might be in order to which I imagine the response would contain certain words along the lines of 'judicial' and 'secrecy'.

Maybe you could put your mind to equating for me what the Portuguese authorities expenditure on the present enquiry into Madeleine's disappearance has to the title of this thread?

[Robittybob1]

No idea.  I imagine that when the case was archived the arguido status ended.
I have no pretence to any knowledge of Portuguese law.

They would have to do those two in the right order.  All the arguidos would have to be cleared first surely before the case was archived.

[barrier]

It seems to have been much more than an 'opinion' for the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard ... both investigative bodies have spent a considerable amount of time, resources and money investigating abduction.

Having primacy in the investigation one would make the assumption the contribution would match if not surpass the sum invested by the British authorities.
If it really is of interest to you perhaps the Portuguese equivalent of a freedom of information request might be in order to which I imagine the response would contain certain words along the lines of 'judicial' and 'secrecy'.

Maybe you could put your mind to equating for me what the Portuguese authorities expenditure on the present enquiry into Madeleine's disappearance has to the title of this thread?

You brought the question of time and expenditure into it,seemingly with out any figures to back the claim up.

[Brietta]

You brought the question of time and expenditure into it,seemingly with out any figures to back the claim up.

Have you ever tried good old fashioned common sense?  If the Portuguese conducted a review of Madeleine's case which led to them reopening the inquiry, that all took time, resources (personnel) and money just as it did for Scotland Yard.

I don't need to know the minutiae of each force's expenditure on paper clips to state the obvious.  If you really do feel the need to know exact figures, perhaps the Portuguese will supply you with the relevant information on request.

[slartibartfast]

Have you ever tried good old fashioned common sense?  If the Portuguese conducted a review of Madeleine's case which led to them reopening the inquiry, that all took time, resources (personnel) and money just as it did for Scotland Yard.

I don't need to know the minutiae of each force's expenditure on paper clips to state the obvious.  If you really do feel the need to know exact figures, perhaps the Portuguese will supply you with the relevant information on request.

That doesn't wash. You can't estimate expenditure without any information about the size of the operation.

[Brietta]

That doesn't wash. You can't estimate expenditure without any information about the size of the operation.

Does this nit picking have anything at all to do with the thread title?  Point out what it is and it might be worth answering you.

Just a reminder ... the topic is ... Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?

[ferryman]

The McCanns were innocent in the eyes of Portuguese criminal law.

Its civil libel laws, however, place an onus on those accused to establish their innocence, often fiendishly difficult, even for the unquestionably innocent, as the McCanns unquestionably are, and they evidently didn't manage it to the satisfaction of some Portuguese judges in the higher echelons of the Portuguese civil courts.

There is the problem.

[G-Unit]

The McCanns were innocent in the eyes of Portuguese criminal law.

Its civil libel laws, however, place an onus on those accused to establish their innocence, often fiendishly difficult, even for the unquestionably innocent, as the McCanns unquestionably are, and they evidently didn't manage it to the satisfaction of some Portuguese judges in the higher echelons of the Portuguese civil courts.

There is the problem.

The accused were Amaral et al. The McCanns were the accusers and they failed to prove their accusations. The civil courts had no interest in the McCann's innocence or guilt as was clearly stated. The judges would not even have mentioned the subject if the McCann's lawyer hadn't used the argument, in her appeal to the Supreme Court,  that archiving dispatch cleared them. They then had to reply and they did so, telling her she was wrong.

[Mr Gray]

The accused were Amaral et al. The McCanns were the accusers and they failed to prove their accusations. The civil courts had no interest in the McCann's innocence or guilt as was clearly stated. The judges would not even have mentioned the subject if the McCann's lawyer hadn't used the argument, in her appeal to the Supreme Court,  that archiving dispatch cleared them. They then had to reply and they did so, telling her she was wrong.

The SC judgement said there was no evidence that the McCanns are innocent
That is patently wrong....100% wrong

The SC judgement says that the despatch should not be treated as evidence of innocence

The despatch is evidence of innocence
The judges are wrong

[slartibartfast]

The SC judgement said there was no evidence that the McCanns are innocent
That is patently wrong....100% wrong

The SC judgement says that the despatch should not be treated as evidence of innocence

The despatch is evidence of innocence
The judges are wrong

The McCann's case was that there was evidence they were innocent, the SC said that wasn't true.