Bamber's Campaign Team seek more funds claiming evidence was fabricated.

[Myster]

Ear-rings!!?  Those two largest pieces are never ear-rings!!!  I can understand the radiographer/pathologist leaving the necklace fastened in place while taking the image... but loose ear-rings balanced on her neck?

More likely to be either fragmented bullet lead, or pieces of vertebral bone which have been forced towards the front of her neck by the bullet's impact.

We're short of an experienced radiologist to interpret exactly what those artefacts are.

[scipio_usmc]

Ear-rings!!?  Those two largest pieces are never ear-rings!!!  I can understand the radiographer/pathologist leaving the necklace fastened in place while taking the image... but loose ear-rings balanced on her neck?

More likely to be either fragmented bullet lead, or pieces of vertebral bone which have been forced towards the front of her neck by the bullet's impact.

We're short of an experienced radiologist to interpret exactly what those artefacts are.

They failed to remove any of her jewelry. The head is to the side supposedly according to someone on blue In which case you see the front of one earring and the back of the other.

Upon closer look, it does look more to me like the head is straight.  It could be that the biggest blip is PV/19.

 

[Myster]

They failed to remove any of her jewelry. The head is to the side supposedly according to someone on blue In which case you see the front of one earring and the back of the other.

Upon closer look, it does look more to me like the head is straight.  It could be that the biggest blip is PV/19.

 

I was just going to post before you edited and corrected... but that is definitely not a side view of the head. It's a front facial view. You can even see what could be an ear-ring in her left earlobe.

[scipio_usmc]

I was just going to post before you edited and corrected... but that is definitely not a side view of the head. It's a front facial view. You can even see what could be an ear-ring in her left earlobe.

It looks like the back to me. I typed front by mistake.  If front then you would see the teeth. It still might be the earrings in the xray but depending on the angle if pronounced enough could wind up showing PV19. It would help if we had all the xrays. 



 

[scipio_usmc]

some xrays from behind:





Sheila's head seems to be tilted some.

[Myster]

I agree that her head is slightly tilted, but imo Sheila's x-ray is frontal. The R in your radiographs stands for the patient's right side, and the jaw line is more prominent than it would be if it was radiographed from the back.

The fragments are on Sheila's right side, exactly where the bullet impacted the fourth cervical vertebra...




 A frontal image with L indicating the patient's left side... https://radiopaedia.org/images/17232105

[scipio_usmc]

I accidentally forgot the xrays from behind and showed the front only.

Look at the difference of the ribs when taken from behind:



This doesn't match the ribs in the frontal xrays but does match Sheila's xray.

Also you can clearly see the difference between the lower and upper jaw and teeth from the front but not from behind at most you see the corner of the lower jaw depending on the angle the head is at.



Her neck is turned to look down and to the right. This gives the false impression the bullet is to the left and also causes the earrings to look so close to one another. 

[scipio_usmc]

My take:

[David123]

Hi
I agree that this new attempt to raise funds is a complete farce !
I wonder what JB supporters would be thinking if JB had the Balls to admit that he's guilty ?
JB is as guilty as sin and will thankfully be spending the rest of his remaining life in Prison !

[APRIL]

Hi
I agree that this new attempt to raise funds is a complete farce !
I wonder what JB supporters would be thinking if JB had the Balls to admit that he's guilty ?
JB is as guilty as sin and will thankfully be spending the rest of his remaining life in Prison !

Hello David123, I imagine they'd say that he'd done it under duress. That the balance of his mind had become disturbed by years of being wrongly incarcerated.

[Holly Goodhead]

Ear-rings!!?  Those two largest pieces are never ear-rings!!!  I can understand the radiographer/pathologist leaving the necklace fastened in place while taking the image... but loose ear-rings balanced on her neck?

More likely to be either fragmented bullet lead, or pieces of vertebral bone which have been forced towards the front of her neck by the bullet's impact.

We're short of an experienced radiologist to interpret exactly what those artefacts are.

Hello 

I can't claim to be an experienced radiologist or even know much about PV/20 but Dr V's trial testimony explains that that the track of this bullet finished in a bony part.  Therefore it seems to me that in all probability the small pieces observed on the xray are bone fragments?  Trial testimony attached.

The following link shows xrays of gsw's to the neck at figure 6a and 6b (quite a way down) and refers to bone fragments. 

http://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiographics.19.5.g99se171358

This theory about PV/20 found fragmented but morphing into a whole bullet seems to emanate from MT.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,86.msg179.html#msg179

Unless I'm missing the point it just seems so bloody obvious? 

[Holly Goodhead]

The OS/CT claim:

"The switched bullet, which was found to be fragmented into at lease 14 pieces by the pathologist, but appeared whole at trial".

What would be the purpose of anyone tampering with PV/20, falsifying documents etc in an attempt to make it whole if it was found fragmented?

When MF analysed bullets that had entered victims the bullets were found in various states: 

- Whole
- Nearly whole
- Half
- Fragment
- Small fragment

He recorded PV/20 (aka item 61) from right side of SC's neck as whole.  Again what would be the point in anyone messing about with PV/20?

[Holly Goodhead]

I see from the OP I missed the following explanation from the CT about PV/20:

"The bullets – One of the bullets recovered from Sheila Caffell was presented as ‘whole’ at trial, which was impossible if it was the same bullet recovered from her body by the pathologist and supported by x-rays as it was fragmented into at least 15 pieces. If this Chain of Evidence was tampered with it suggests that the bullets were swapped, possibly in the hope that bullets fired through a sound moderator end up in a different state to those not fired through a moderator".

What a load of tosh.  As per the post above bullets recovered from victims were found in various states.  Nothing to do with whether or not they were fired through a sound moderator.  The bullets used at WHF have a muzzle velocity of just over 1000 feet per second.  Therefore the chances of a bullet strking bone and loose bone fragments showing on an xray are significant. 

Unless someone can come up with something significantly new I believe PV/20 was found whole and the pieces on the xray are simply bone fragments. 

[Myster]

Hello 

I can't claim to be an experienced radiologist or even know much about PV/20 but Dr V's trial testimony explains that that the track of this bullet finished in a bony part.  Therefore it seems to me that in all probability the small pieces observed on the xray are bone fragments?  Trial testimony attached.

The following link shows xrays of gsw's to the neck at figure 6a and 6b (quite a way down) and refers to bone fragments.

http://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiographics.19.5.g99se171358

This theory about PV/20 found fragmented but morphing into a whole bullet seems to emanate from MT.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,86.msg179.html#msg179

Unless I'm missing the point it just seems so bloody obvious?

Hello Holls!... you still hammering away?  Better change sides for an easier life! 

There's a lot more **** that emanates from Tesko... mainly while he's sat on the loo, hiding from wifey and making surreal videos.

As I said above, the fragments could either be lead or shattered bone. I think I'd go with the latter, because they seem too large to be additional remnants of the almost whole PV/20.

So I agree with your last post.

[Holly Goodhead]

It seems the CT are suggesting PV/20 was substituted in an attempt to hide the fact a silencer wasn't used.  And MT is suggesting the bullet was substituted in an attempt to disguise the fact PV/20 was police issued ammo and the police shot SC.  To coin an expression from MT!!!!!!!!!! 

All pure BS imo.  The only thing of interest here is that these 'supporters' are imo total cranks incapable of analysing the info properly, probably due in part to sheer laziness.   I find it difficult to believe that anyone taking a short while to consider the matter could overlook the likelihood of the small white pieces being fragments of bone.

I think I will write to the CT sending a copy to JB letting them know exactly what I think.  This whole circus is just getting beyond ridiculous.