Bamber's Campaign Team seek more funds claiming evidence was fabricated.

[Holly Goodhead]

Hello Holls!... you still hammering away?  Better change sides for an easier life! 

There's a lot more **** that emanates from Tesko... mainly while he's sat on the loo, hiding from wifey and making surreal videos.

As I said above, the fragments could either be lead or shattered bone. I think I'd go with the latter, because they seem too large to be additional remnants of the almost whole PV/20.

So I agree with your last post.

Thanks 

I joined Blue 2nd or 3rd Feb 2012 and said to myself at the 5 year point I would quit posting and would return to my former 'normal' life but as you said I'm still hammering away and its 19th Feb 

[Myster]

My take:

What you've labelled as mastoid processes are actually the angles of the jawbone or mandible. The processes are higher up and towards the rear of the skull...






The outline of jaw bone is clearly seen in SC's and a comparative radiograph...




We'll have to disagree again on this point, scipio, like we did with what I (and Caro) believe to be bloody palm print on the bible. Nevertheless he's still guilty.

[scipio_usmc]

Hi
I agree that this new attempt to raise funds is a complete farce !
I wonder what JB supporters would be thinking if JB had the Balls to admit that he's guilty ?
JB is as guilty as sin and will thankfully be spending the rest of his remaining life in Prison !

There are several classes:

1) Those who would accept it and move on to some other case or event to attack police over

2) Those who would say he was forced to give a false confession

3) Those who would deny he confessed and say the confession was faked

It just depends on the mindset of the supporter at issue.

[scipio_usmc]

I see from the OP I missed the following explanation from the CT about PV/20:

"The bullets – One of the bullets recovered from Sheila Caffell was presented as ‘whole’ at trial, which was impossible if it was the same bullet recovered from her body by the pathologist and supported by x-rays as it was fragmented into at least 15 pieces. If this Chain of Evidence was tampered with it suggests that the bullets were swapped, possibly in the hope that bullets fired through a sound moderator end up in a different state to those not fired through a moderator".

What a load of tosh.  As per the post above bullets recovered from victims were found in various states.  Nothing to do with whether or not they were fired through a sound moderator.  The bullets used at WHF have a muzzle velocity of just over 1000 feet per second.  Therefore the chances of a bullet strking bone and loose bone fragments showing on an xray are significant. 

Unless someone can come up with something significantly new I believe PV/20 was found whole and the pieces on the xray are simply bone fragments.

PV/20 is missing 13 plus grains so some of the small fragments likely were from the same bullet as PV/20.

The 2 largest objects near PV/20 in the xray most certainly were not bullet fragments.  First of all if they were bullet fragments Vanezis would have recovered them given their size.  Moreover, they are too large to have come from the same bullet as PV/20 so in order for them to be bullet fragments that would require more than 2 bullets to have entered Sheila.

They are taking truth that the PV/20 exhibit removed by Vanezis wasn't a whole bullet but rather just a bullet fragment and the fiction that the court exhibit PV/20 was an entire bullet to pretend that the court exhibit was a fake and not what Vanezis removed.  The fiction is to enable various conspiracy claims that defeat Jeremy's responsibility. The allegations vary from police trainees shooting her to the raid team shooting her.   Sometimes they don't even come up with a complete scenario and just use the claim of the substituted bullet to say police can't be trusted and were framing Jeremy without explaining how it worked. They often toss stuff out there to create amorphous suspicion. Kind of like when people shout illuminati.

I wonder what they actually intend to use the money for, it clearly isn't for the BS they claim.
 

[scipio_usmc]

Hello 

I can't claim to be an experienced radiologist or even know much about PV/20 but Dr V's trial testimony explains that that the track of this bullet finished in a bony part.  Therefore it seems to me that in all probability the small pieces observed on the xray are bone fragments?  Trial testimony attached.

The following link shows xrays of gsw's to the neck at figure 6a and 6b (quite a way down) and refers to bone fragments. 

http://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiographics.19.5.g99se171358

This theory about PV/20 found fragmented but morphing into a whole bullet seems to emanate from MT.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,86.msg179.html#msg179

Unless I'm missing the point it just seems so bloody obvious?

I'm used to seeing better quality films. Sometimes broken bone fragments show up other times they don't you just see gaps in bones you don't see the extra pieces. I would not be surprised if some of the tiny objects are fragments from the same bullet that PV/20 came from. 13 plus grains were missing. The 2 largest objects near PV/20 are definitely too large to have come from the same bullet that PV/20 came from and your suggestion that they are bone fragments is indeed possible.

Looking at the xray actually hurts their claim because the shape of PV/20 in the xray matches the court exhibit which clearly shows it is under 27 grains so not whole.

Imprecise language refers to the various objects bullets. To be precise they are all bullet fragments. Experts understand they are actually fragments and just call the largest fragment from each bullet a bullet for shorthand. Usually though in testimony they are referred to as fragments, precision is preferred to colloquial language.  It will depend on the expert and lawyers though whether they are precise or not.

For example PV/5 was a fragment from the same bullet as either PV/10 or PV/11. On the examination records PV/10 and 11 were referred to as bullets though they were simply the largest fragment and there were other smaller fragments from the same bullets.  It's ok to use imprecise language as long as everyone understands it's actual meaning. Where it can mislead and confuse it is preferable to be precise.  That is why in my charts I referred to them as the largest fragments of each recovered bullet.



   

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm used to seeing better quality films. Sometimes broken bone fragments show up other times they don't you just see gaps in bones you don't see the extra pieces. I would not be surprised if some of the tiny objects are fragments from the same bullet that PV/20 came from. 13 plus grains were missing. The 2 largest objects near PV/20 are definitely too large to have come from the same bullet that PV/20 came from and your suggestion that they are bone fragments is indeed possible.

Looking at the xray actually hurts their claim because the shape of PV/20 in the xray matches the court exhibit which clearly shows it is under 27 grains so not whole.

Imprecise language refers to the various objects bullets. To be precise they are all bullet fragments. Experts understand they are actually fragments and just call the largest fragment from each bullet a bullet for shorthand. Usually though in testimony they are referred to as fragments, precision is preferred to colloquial language.  It will depend on the expert and lawyers though whether they are precise or not.

For example PV/5 was a fragment from the same bullet as either PV/10 or PV/11. On the examination records PV/10 and 11 were referred to as bullets though they were simply the largest fragment and there were other smaller fragments from the same bullets.  It's ok to use imprecise language as long as everyone understands it's actual meaning. Where it can mislead and confuse it is preferable to be precise.  That is why in my charts I referred to them as the largest fragments of each recovered bullet.   

Have you got the General Examination Record for PV/20 aka at the lab as item 61? 

[scipio_usmc]

Have you got the General Examination Record for PV/20 aka at the lab as item 61?

Yes you didn't think I just accepted Mike's numbers did you?

I just listed the weights in the other thread of all the fragments per the exam records.

[puglove]

Willies, tits and booze are a lot more interesting than this twaddle.  Why do they say the shape of the bullet exactly matches PV20 in the X-ray?  It doesn't.  Is this another of Tesco's carefully photo-shopped images created by Enigma, the supercomputer he and Misty The Wonderdog built in his shed and named after the Nazi encoding machine?

I did hear that Mike was very close to solving the case using Enigma. But his wife popped round to collect her post and took Enigma away because she wanted to toast a teacake.

 

[puglove]

Sigh.

Caro and Janey J. Trying to have an intelligent debate (steady, Holls) with Mike and Clappedout is like trying to push a piano uphill. Or dragging a pug past a toffee that is stuck to a pavement. Their lives are so bleak.

 

[puglove]

Sigh.

Caro and Janey J. Trying to have an intelligent debate (steady, Holls) with Mike and Clappedout is like trying to push a piano uphill. Or dragging a pug past a toffee that is stuck to a pavement. Their lives are so bleak.

 

And, Roch. I'm sorry, but your wordy posts bore me shitless.

[puglove]

And, Roch. I'm sorry, but your wordy posts bore me shitless.

Off to bed now, happy and safe in the knowledge that Bamber is where he should be.

 

[APRIL]

Sigh.

Caro and Janey J. Trying to have an intelligent debate (steady, Holls) with Mike and Clappedout is like trying to push a piano uphill. Or dragging a pug past a toffee that is stuck to a pavement. Their lives are so bleak.

 

Yeah, I know, Puglet, but a girl's gotta do wot a girl's gotta do

[scipio_usmc]

Sigh.

Caro and Janey J. Trying to have an intelligent debate (steady, Holls) with Mike and Clappedout is like trying to push a piano uphill. Or dragging a pug past a toffee that is stuck to a pavement. Their lives are so bleak.

 

They certainly don't want an honest debate.  Mike distorts and when you post the truth he just keeps repeating the same tired lies and curses you. He called me a dozen different names from s..mbag to Fhead.

Take for instance how he still keeps insisting there is no evidence to prove that Bonnett and West were describing the same phonecall from Jeremy.  Bonnett's COLP statement and other statements including the form he filled out makes clear he spoke to West and was recounting what West told him.  It says West was the caller. That is indeed evidence that proves both refer to the same call. Furthermore it specifically refers to what the son was claiming. That's just one example where he refuses to be honest. 

People like him raise BS like that because they have nothing legitimate to raise.

[adam]

I wasn't convinced at all with Mike's recent suggestion that a hit man team committed the massacre. Or that Nevill rang Bamber after Sheila had shot him twice.

Nugs's suggestions that RB found out he had similar blood to Sheila, so shot himself to create the back splatter effect in the silencer, or that the police should have investigated whether Bamber entered WHF via Nevill's/June's upstairs bedroom window,  have also failed to get me to change stance. 

Lookout hovers around the forum all day and tries to deflect the thread topic on guilty threads. Sometimes with success as other posters get involved in handbags at 10 paces petty squables.

[scipio_usmc]

I wasn't convinced at all with Mike's recent suggestion that a hit man team committed the massacre. Or that Nevill rang Bamber after Sheila had shot him twice.

Nugs's suggestions that RB found out he had similar blood to Sheila, so shot himself to create the back splatter effect in the silencer, or that the police should have investigated whether Bamber entered WHF via Nevill's/June's upstairs bedroom window,  have also failed to get me to change stance. 

Lookout hovers around the forum all day and tries to deflect the thread topic on guilty threads.

Not believing insane nonsense isn't exactly a reason to beat one's chest- it's just being normal.

All Nugs  has managed to prove over the years is that he/she is even more insane than Mike. Apart from there being no way for Boutflour to find out he had the same blood attributes as Sheila, he shot himself?  How come no one ever found out about his gunshot wound if he had been shot?  He shot himself and then treated his own wound like in some movie?  This is a perfect example of just making up nonsense from thin air to avoid facing the actual evidence.