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Online Angelo222

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #240 on: March 03, 2019, 04:34:15 PM »
This has always bothered me as Mark has no knowledge of building work and in the past has never done anything without his fatherís approval. Therefore I find it strange that he ordered concrete when he had no idea what he was doing. I will put this to Mark next time I write.

As regards telling Senta he had seen his father when he hadnít, he admitted it was foolish to say such a thing but said it to avoid an argument. Senta had asked him how his father was and without thinking he said he had seen him the previous day.

Nothing he says adds up, he lies easily.
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Online Angelo222

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #241 on: March 03, 2019, 04:36:05 PM »
Will be interesting to hear what he has to say Daisy.

However because Mark says he has no knowledge of building worK doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth! Plus he was an intelligent young man, doesn’t take a rocket scientist.

He failed miserably academically so his level of intelligence is questionable.  He certainly didn't inherent his father's intelligence.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #242 on: March 04, 2019, 06:44:27 AM »
Nothing he says adds up, he lies easily.


Psychopaths can give themselves away by lying too well, study finds
ďPeople with strong psychopathic traits find lying easier to learn than more empathic individuals, scientists have discovered.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/psychopaths-lying-give-themselves-away-study-finds-a7860151.html


Not dissimilar to Jeremy Bamber!
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Offline Daisy

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #243 on: March 04, 2019, 07:15:13 AM »
He failed miserably academically so his level of intelligence is questionable.  He certainly didn't inherent his father's intelligence.


He didnít fail miserably. He obtained a 2:1 in his degree but his dad expected him to get a first.

Offline John

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #244 on: March 06, 2019, 06:15:58 PM »

He didn’t fail miserably. He obtained a 2:1 in his degree but his dad expected him to get a first.

I believe the poor exam results were in August 2009.  He was due to sit his final exams at Kings College London in May 2010 but couldn't as he had been arrested three months earlier in February and was on bail. He sought permission to sit the exams the following year but KCL terminated his registration.

I understand that he continued to study while in prison gaining a diploma of the Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music in July 2014 and a 2:1 – LLB (Hons) degree in November 2017.
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Online Angelo222

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #245 on: March 11, 2019, 11:20:58 AM »

He didn’t fail miserably. He obtained a 2:1 in his degree but his dad expected him to get a first.

Seems to me his academic progress was impaired the moment he gained some independence and discovered girls.  He then rebelled which didn't go down very well with his father who up until than moment dictated everything in his life. This was a war of wills in the end and unfortunately Samuel Alexander lost and paid the ultimate price.
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Offline Fact Checker

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #246 on: March 14, 2019, 03:04:05 PM »
The notion that he would undertake works at the family home in his absence are not supported by the history.

This has always bothered me as Mark has no knowledge of building work and in the past has never done anything without his fatherís approval.

Mark helped his father with various jobs over the years, in which Sami had gradually allocated him increased roles of responsibility. One landscape gardener for example described how, "Sami would organise for me to come when Mark was there to let me in".

Mark had previously supervised the installation of the rear-drive gate (inbetween the brick pillars) in Sami's absence. This would have been about October 2008. He regularly mowed the back garden lawn, and had previously coated the newly installed fences seen bordering the front drive with wood treatment.
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Offline Daisy

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #247 on: March 14, 2019, 06:43:04 PM »
Mark helped his father with various jobs over the years, in which Sami had gradually allocated him increased roles of responsibility. One landscape gardener for example described how, "Sami would organise for me to come when Mark was there to let me in".

Mark had previously supervised the installation of the rear-drive gate (inbetween the brick pillars) in Sami's absence. This would have been about October 2008. He regularly mowed the back garden lawn, and had previously coated the newly installed fences seen bordering the front drive with wood treatment.

When Mark arrived home his father wasnít there. How did he know that Sami hadnít already ordered concrete to arrive? Why didnít Mark phone him first to find out what was needed?  Mark has admitted knowing nothing about laying concrete so I wonder how he knew what quantity to order.  It just doesnít seem to add up.  Mowing the lawn and staining fences is very different to laying concrete which is a specialised job.

Offline Fact Checker

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #248 on: March 15, 2019, 10:23:25 AM »
Thanks for your questions Daisy

When Mark arrived home his father wasnít there. How did he know that Sami hadnít already ordered concrete to arrive?

These discussions had already taken place in the summer of 2009. Mark had been instructed to place the order once preparations on the site were complete.

Why didnít Mark phone him first to find out what was needed?

Sami's instructions to Mark were clear and wouldn't have required clarification. Mark took the initiative to press on with works in his father's absence to avoid further delays accumulating and the job laying unfinished for another year.

Mark has admitted knowing nothing about laying concrete so I wonder how he knew what quantity to order.

Remember, this was the third site of its kind. Mark had knowledge of what was required and the steps involved in the first two sites, so applied this understanding to the final one.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #249 on: March 16, 2019, 08:37:30 AM »
Thanks for your questions Daisy

These discussions had already taken place in the summer of 2009. Mark had been instructed to place the order once preparations on the site were complete.

Where is your evidence for this?

Offline Nicholas

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #250 on: March 16, 2019, 08:39:01 AM »

Remember, this was the third site of its kind. Mark had knowledge of what was required and the steps involved in the first two sites, so applied this understanding to the final one.

So the claim of no building knowledge is indeed a lie  *&^^&

Offline Myster

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #251 on: March 16, 2019, 09:54:57 AM »

These discussions had already taken place in the summer of 2009. Mark had been instructed to place the order once preparations on the site were complete.

Sami's instructions to Mark were clear and wouldn't have required clarification. Mark took the initiative to press on with works in his father's absence to avoid further delays accumulating and the job laying unfinished for another year.

Remember, this was the third site of its kind. Mark had knowledge of what was required and the steps involved in the first two sites, so applied this understanding to the final one.
But Mark didn't know that Sami would be absent to supervise for a year.  Or did he?... and that he wouldn't ever be coming back home?

The final root barrier had already "gone to plan" with three thick "professionally laid" slabs of mortar and offending trees removed, so all Mark needed to do was to backfill with soil from the original hole, just like he did after his own unnecessary ready-mixed concreting job.
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Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #252 on: March 18, 2019, 11:50:46 AM »
But Mark didn't know that Sami would be absent to supervise for a year.  Or did he?...

Sami had made the planning application to fell the trees several years previously and, as was his habit with most jobs, progress had been slow. Construction sites dotted around the house often lay incomplete for years. It is likely that Sami had discussed his plans with contractors in his employ. We know for example that his landscape gardener, AH, knew about the site and something of Sami's intentions.

So the claim of no building knowledge is indeed a lie

Knowlege doesn't equate to practical experience. Mark had been present during previous construction work at the house, even acting as a hod-carrier for his dad on occassion, but had never actually taken the lead before. His lack of practical experience is evident in the amateur workmanship evidenced in the layer of concrete. Remember that this was very different from the professional layers underneath.

The final root barrier had already "gone to plan" with three thick "professionally laid" slabs of mortar and offending trees removed, so all Mark needed to do was to backfill with soil from the original hole, just like he did after his own unnecessary ready-mixed concreting job.

When Mark arrived in November, the site appeared to have been prepared with a professional foundation, but it was clearly incomplete and remain far too deep to simply backfill. The previous two sites had been filled up to a particular height in the brickwork, and although he lacked the practical experience, he knew from this basic prior knowledge that this was what was required here too.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #253 on: Today at 10:41:37 AM »
Sami had made the planning application to fell the trees several years previously

When several years previously?

Offline Nicholas

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #254 on: Today at 10:43:21 AM »
Sami had made the planning application to fell the trees several years previously and, as was his habit with most jobs, progress had been slow.

Whereís your evidence for this; Mark?

Have you taken into account Samiís ill health during this time period?