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Offline jixy

Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2017, 08:47:25 PM »
I am sure you would find some. Yes ive read everything the whole of the trial paperwork photos etc

Other people have been kind enough to read it too and offer advice.
you can disguise your face but you have forgotten your footprints !!! ....

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Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2017, 09:04:36 PM »
I am sure you would find some. Yes ive read everything the whole of the trial paperwork photos etc

Other people have been kind enough to read it too and offer advice.

I'm sure I would Jixy....  Sometimes it's the smallest detail that has the biggest impact, and when reading through such huge documents, it's easy to miss it...

Ok... lets go back to what I know.... (even though we don't agree)  ?{)(**

It was the innocuous statement that brought my attention to the whole searches... remember, the 2 searches that where about weather... No one took any notice....

So maybe in your case there is a little simple statement that holds the key, sitting there being overlooked because it looks correct... (Doesn't mean it is correct)!!

When we expect something to follow on, we ignore what's really there...

For instance: 2+2 =4

But If I done 2+2=$ ... you'd just assume I pressed the dollar key by accident.. and not take any heed..

But the $ sign could mean something completely different....

I know you have more experience than me in such things... as i have always said I apply common sense....

And it's having that thing that pecks at your head that helps...lol ...

If you believe what you're looking at it correct... the information will be there... It just needs teazing out...

And timelines.... they are most important ... down to the last second, thats why I mention them...

Just because someone is at the scene of a crime doesn't mean they committed it... But you need to put into context what this person is telling you...

And if you can get some people to help... try a reconstruction... See if it's even possible... both ways....



 

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Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2017, 09:10:53 PM »
Photo's are great.... Have you had them all lined up on the floor....

Again... if you've seen one photo.. you've seen them all....

I'll go back to what we disagree on... the photo's in that scene had changed and I had seen them a thousand times, but it was only suddenly when, I noticed the clock time and the shoes where different...(that's because I was looking at them on my computer)...

I don't know whether or not you have this information in paper form or digital.... If it's digital... I suggest that you print it all off... Have the Photo's in front of you.. you might notice something when they're side by side...
(I'd say the same with the transcripts)... A bit like cash is king.... Paper in front of you works well..

i:e.. has something moved... was something brought into evidence that was not photographed in situ???

You have me intrigued now Jixy  8(0(*


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Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2017, 09:17:53 PM »
yes sadly an horrific murder. I can see how someone could have been convicted but how others got away with it I will never know.

Many have been wrongly convicted under Joint Enterprise this is the total opposite

Is it possible that it was one of the others who where responsible???

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Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2017, 09:25:26 PM »
The case has been discussed before but the minute contact with the media was instigated the prison banned it instantly

Strangely though, questions were put and received but only when the reply was posted did they stop it

We got round it by using tippex on the name replacing it with mine and sending it to me. Which I found a bit strange because it was clear the intentions were to pass it on regardless and I did!

 There was also a mention of a lie detector test and I spoke to a top man in his field. The prison have done quite a few so im not sure how they work out the rules

Sorry about the 4th edit of this post, my laptop keeps switching off mid sentence! maybe im not meant to talk about it afterall


Is there anyway you can get someone to visit this person??/maybe they could ask a few questions???

Offline jixy

Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2017, 04:32:52 PM »
I have visited and asked a million questions
you can disguise your face but you have forgotten your footprints !!! ....

Offline Nicholas

Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2019, 04:15:13 PM »
good point..

On the case I am working on there was a ban put in place with regards speaking to any media, having a photo published on social media etc

Is the ban still in place?

Are you referring to the Eddie Gilfoyle case?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2019, 04:34:22 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2019, 04:20:03 PM »
Noticed the Rough Justice “If the cap fits” episode from 2002 has been discussed in parliament today by Ipswich MP Sandy Martin - well, Oliver Campbell’s conviction

http://dylmgvbzvz3kh.cloudfront.net/content/vod/5e82fa5e-81b5-4ae4-b583-288353634e7e/Westminster_Hall_17-07-19_09-16-29.mp4

Can view the documentary here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vh8IHChIpAQ

Rough Justice was created by Peter Hill & Martin Young

Presented by:
Martin Young (1982-1986)
David Jessel (1987-1992)
John Ware (1993-1997)
Kirsty Wark (1998-2007)

The last case was:

The Innocents' Brief (first broadcast 12 April 2007) - reinvestigation of the conviction of Simon Hall for the murder of 79-year-old Joan Albert in Capel St. Mary, Suffolk, December 2001. On 8 August 2013 the BBC reported that Simon Hall had confessed his crime to prison authorities.[11]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Justice_(British_TV_programme)

Glyn Maddocks
@Madocwales
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2h
(link: https://parliamentlive.tv/Download/Index/bf026c83-025f-4a45-91f3-c428281223df) parliamentlive.tv/Download/Index…
If anyone thinks that the CCRC is an effective to deal with miscarriages of justice, I suggest they listen to today's speech of Sandy Martin MP regarding the conviction of Oliver Campbell



APPG on Miscarriages of Justice
@APPGMJ
A Westminster Hall Debate entitled ‘Review of decision making powers of the Criminal Cases Review Commission’ secured by
@sandyofipswich
 is currently taking place in Parliament. Watch live here (link: https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/11ae6a50-4219-4228-9907-25be96d8dcd1) parliamentlive.tv/event/index/11…
« Last Edit: July 17, 2019, 05:18:12 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2019, 01:23:48 PM »
Noticed the Rough Justice “If the cap fits” episode from 2002 has been discussed in parliament today by Ipswich MP Sandy Martin - well, Oliver Campbell’s conviction

http://dylmgvbzvz3kh.cloudfront.net/content/vod/5e82fa5e-81b5-4ae4-b583-288353634e7e/Westminster_Hall_17-07-19_09-16-29.mp4

Can view the documentary here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vh8IHChIpAQ

Rough Justice was created by Peter Hill & Martin Young

Presented by:
Martin Young (1982-1986)
David Jessel (1987-1992)
John Ware (1993-1997)
Kirsty Wark (1998-2007)

The last case was:

The Innocents' Brief (first broadcast 12 April 2007) - reinvestigation of the conviction of Simon Hall for the murder of 79-year-old Joan Albert in Capel St. Mary, Suffolk, December 2001. On 8 August 2013 the BBC reported that Simon Hall had confessed his crime to prison authorities.[11]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Justice_(British_TV_programme)

Glyn Maddocks
@Madocwales
·
2h
(link: https://parliamentlive.tv/Download/Index/bf026c83-025f-4a45-91f3-c428281223df) parliamentlive.tv/Download/Index…
If anyone thinks that the CCRC is an effective to deal with miscarriages of justice, I suggest they listen to today's speech of Sandy Martin MP regarding the conviction of Oliver Campbell



APPG on Miscarriages of Justice
@APPGMJ
A Westminster Hall Debate entitled ‘Review of decision making powers of the Criminal Cases Review Commission’ secured by
@sandyofipswich
 is currently taking place in Parliament. Watch live here (link: https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/11ae6a50-4219-4228-9907-25be96d8dcd1) parliamentlive.tv/event/index/11…



CCRC

CCRC
@ccrcupdate
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Jul 25
@ccrcupdate
 looked in great depth at this case when we reviewed it. Would be interesting if Mr Campbell and his reps published the
@ccrcupdate
 decision doc giving detailed reasons why we could not refer then. People could then evaluate it for themselves.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2019, 02:52:05 PM »

CCRC

CCRC
@ccrcupdate
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Jul 25
@ccrcupdate
 looked in great depth at this case when we reviewed it. Would be interesting if Mr Campbell and his reps published the
@ccrcupdate
 decision doc giving detailed reasons why we could not refer then. People could then evaluate it for themselves.


Oliver Campbell has published the CCRC’s statement of reasons here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cxzwKDBVJC8r9HRv6iMzPe5ooMyicF3L/view

via The Justice Gap https://www.thejusticegap.com/oliver-campbell/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Rough justice: who is looking out for the wrongfully convicted?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2019, 02:57:06 PM »
Oliver Campbell has published the CCRC’s statement of reasons here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cxzwKDBVJC8r9HRv6iMzPe5ooMyicF3L/view

via The Justice Gap https://www.thejusticegap.com/oliver-campbell/

According to Jon Robins of The Justice Gap, via twitter he states:

“Oliver Campbell decided to make public reasons why miscarriage of justice watchdog rejected his application following my @BylineTimes report. That rarely happens. I argue it does little to allay concerns & reveals much abt how our justice system fails to get to grips w such cases

Jon Robins on the case of Oliver Campbell and what it reveals about our creaking criminal justice system.
Whatever view is taken of the CCRC’s final assessment of Oliver Campbell, a thorough investigation took place. A psychologist was instructed to assess Campbell’s neuropsychological functioning, DNA tests were commissioned, investigating police officers were interviewed, and they attempted to track down Samuels. But Glyn Maddocks points out that no one from the CCRC met his client. “As soon as you speak to Oliver, you know he’s no killer,” he said.
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/05/the-justice-trap-why-the-miscarriages-of-justice-watchdog-is-in-crisis/


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