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Alfie

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Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2017, 11:31:37 PM »
a fireman would have used apparatus which would have left evidence of him/her being there.. but anyway there was never going to be a fire because the parents left them alone sleeping...

They did a risk assessment and took a multilateral decision to leave them alone, every night. Do you think if there was a fire the parents would be to blame or would that be the person who started the fires fault?
But you agree that it would not be impossible for a fireman to get through the window with a child?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2017, 11:37:43 PM »
But you agree that it would not be impossible for a fireman to get through the window with a child?
Would they go through the window or simply break open the door?
Well they certainly aren't going to worry about marks.  Get in rescue the kids and get out.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 03:05:08 AM by Robittybob1 »
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stephen25000

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Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2017, 08:34:34 AM »
Would they go through the window or simply break open the door?
Well they certainly aren't going to worry about marks.  Get in rescue the kids and get out.

Normally, the practice would be to break down any door or doors to the property to gain access.

Anyone entering or leaving through a window of the apartment would have left detectable traces.

Offline Erngath

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2017, 08:39:11 AM »
Normally, the practice would be to break down any door or doors to the property to gain access.

Anyone entering or leaving through a window of the apartment would have left detectable traces.

Only if a thorough and properly forensic examination took place.  Remembering the photos of the lady carrying out the process does not inspire me to believe that it did.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

stephen25000

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Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2017, 08:44:50 AM »
Only if a thorough and properly forensic examination took place.  Remembering the photos of the lady carrying out the process does not inspire me to believe that it did.

'...does not inspire me..'

What experience do you have in forensics ?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2017, 08:48:52 AM »
Normally, the practice would be to break down any door or doors to the property to gain access.

Anyone entering or leaving through a window of the apartment would have left detectable traces.
How much experience have you had in police forensics?
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stephen25000

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Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2017, 08:52:37 AM »
How much experience have you had in police forensics?


Did I say I had ?

However, Erngath's observation has yo be viewed in terms of bias towards the McCann's.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2017, 08:54:03 AM »

Did I say I had ?

However, Erngath's observation has yo be viewed in terms of bias towards the McCann's.
Just giving you some of your own medicine.
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stephen25000

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Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2017, 08:58:57 AM »
Just giving you some of your own medicine.

I asked a question to Erngath Rob.

More than a reasonable question.

So, I'll ask the same one to you.

What is your experience in forensics ?

By the way, one of my degrees incorporated Chemical Analytical Techniques, in various forms. Some of which I currently tutor the principles of .

Offline slartibartfast

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2017, 08:59:20 AM »
Just giving you some of your own medicine.

Doesn't quite work, it doesn't take an expert to understand that a layperson has less knowledge than an expert.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2017, 09:00:12 AM »
That file in the top secret list is it?

No but OG have been informed who he is.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2017, 09:05:51 AM »
No but OG have been informed who he is.
I feel you are drip feeding us. 
"That man was seen and probably the real reason why the case is still on-going. He is still unidentified officially."  Do you have a name in mind?
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Offline Brietta

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2017, 09:33:19 AM »
Only if a thorough and properly forensic examination took place.  Remembering the photos of the lady carrying out the process does not inspire me to believe that it did.
Photos 21 to 23: Displays of the the bedroom with two single beds of the target apartment.

Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.

Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator.

Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from
where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.

Photos 24 and 25: Detail of the red-coloured chemical existing in the bedroom from where the minor disappeared.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm


The crime scene was botched

The forensics were botched.

Resulting in the lack of evidence at the crime scene for which there are those who point the finger of blame at the victims.

Quite clearly police incompetence and the initial incompetence of those tasked with harvesting forensic traces are revealed as being very much the cause and it is in that direction that criticism if any should properly be directed.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2017, 09:37:30 AM »
Photos 21 to 23: Displays of the the bedroom with two single beds of the target apartment.

Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.

Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator.

Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from
where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.

Photos 24 and 25: Detail of the red-coloured chemical existing in the bedroom from where the minor disappeared.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm


The crime scene was botched

The forensics were botched.

Resulting in the lack of evidence at the crime scene for which there are those who point the finger of blame at the victims.

Quite clearly police incompetence and the initial incompetence of those tasked with harvesting forensic traces are revealed as being very much the cause and it is in that direction that criticism if any should properly be directed.

In your opinion. 8)-)))

Offline Erngath

Re: It would have been impossible to get through the window with a child.
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2017, 09:38:27 AM »
Photos 21 to 23: Displays of the the bedroom with two single beds of the target apartment.

Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.

Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator.

Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from
where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.

Photos 24 and 25: Detail of the red-coloured chemical existing in the bedroom from where the minor disappeared.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm


The crime scene was botched

The forensics were botched.

Resulting in the lack of evidence at the crime scene for which there are those who point the finger of blame at the victims.

Quite clearly police incompetence and the initial incompetence of those tasked with harvesting forensic traces are revealed as being very much the cause and it is in that direction that criticism if any should properly be directed.

Indeed
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.