Gerry and Kate's reaction to sniffer dogs didnt make sense new ninemsn article

[slartibartfast]

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[Mr Gray]

Where is the wry-smile emoticon when you want it?

A lawyer for the defence could well argue that getting an unbiased jury or judge after the dog alert videos is impossible.  They are extremely popular in Portugal, as evidenced by the Portuguese-language 10th anniversary specials.

As to Portuguese courts taking their lead from English courts, that idea does not manage to get off the ground.

the alerts have no evidential value...if the portuguese public have been told and believe otherwise then they have been told and believe lies...

similarly if the portuguese courts do not accept the alerts have no evidential value then they too believe lies...it really is that simple

[ShiningInLuz]

the alerts have no evidential value...if the portuguese public have been told and believe otherwise then they have been told and believe lies...

similarly if the portuguese courts do not accept the alerts have no evidential value then they too believe lies...it really is that simple

It really isn't that simple.

I'm on my 3rd or 4th Portuguese 10th Anniversary documentary.

All feature the dogs prominently.

It matters not a jot what evidence is permitted in court.  It matters what has already been put before (Portuguese) judges and/or jurors.

And that is as simple as it gets.

[Brietta]

It really isn't that simple.

I'm on my 3rd or 4th Portuguese 10th Anniversary documentary.

All feature the dogs prominently.

It matters not a jot what evidence is permitted in court.  It matters what has already been put before (Portuguese) judges and/or jurors.

And that is as simple as it gets.

I find that interesting.

What you seem to be describing is an institutionalised disinformation campaign directed against Madeleine McCann's parents.

I cannot believe that the videos that I have seen would have the capability to fool a whole nation or that the nation best placed to read the files pertaining to events in the original Portuguese have actually fallen for it.

I think that has taken a great deal of work and effort to achieve with the added bonus of persuading some of the English speaking world that the parents of a missing child are "controlling" the media.

WOW!!!  Kudos.

[Mr Gray]

It really isn't that simple.

I'm on my 3rd or 4th Portuguese 10th Anniversary documentary.

All feature the dogs prominently.

It matters not a jot what evidence is permitted in court.  It matters what has already been put before (Portuguese) judges and/or jurors.

And that is as simple as it gets.

And that is an absolute disgrace
What chance justice for Maddie
None in Portugal

As I said
It really is thatsimple

[Angelo222]

Could we have posts on topic and less of the goading from both sides.

[G-Unit]

So how did this 'jaundiced'  remit work in practical terms - without involving corruption?    What instruction would be given to the officers examining the evidence?  ''Oh by the way if you come across anything that looks as if it might incriminate the McCanns and their friends - just ignore it''.  ?

The whole idea is too daft for words imo  - and I'm still waiting for someone to explain why the McCanns ARE so important that a conspiracy involving the UK government was considered to be so vital in the first place.     Any ideas?
AIMHO

The practicalities are easy to understand if you understand hierarchies. Those at the top decide what needs to be done and how. A detective working on sightings, for example, wouldn't see any evidence involving the T9 except perhaps Jane Tanner's.

Unless a team were asked to analyse the evidence against the McCanns they wouldn't do it, so nothing of concern would be found. 

The McCanns were not important, just persistent. They persistently promoted the abduction theory, their own innocence and the inadequacies of the PJ. It's quite possible that Cameron, May and the Met believed them and wanted to help.

[misty]

The practicalities are easy to understand if you understand hierarchies. Those at the top decide what needs to be done and how. A detective working on sightings, for example, wouldn't see any evidence involving the T9 except perhaps Jane Tanner's.

Unless a team were asked to analyse the evidence against the McCanns they wouldn't do it, so nothing of concern would be found. 

The McCanns were not important, just persistent. They persistently promoted the abduction theory, their own innocence and the inadequacies of the PJ. It's quite possible that Cameron, May and the Met believed them and wanted to help.

The PJ do not have the same remit as the Met. What do you think they would do with evidence against the McCanns or evidence which led them to "forbidden" areas of UK hierarchy?

[G-Unit]

The PJ do not have the same remit as the Met. What do you think they would do with evidence against the McCanns or evidence which led them to "forbidden" areas of UK hierarchy?

I have nothing which tells me what the PJ are doing or intend to do.

[Mr Gray]

The practicalities are easy to understand if you understand hierarchies. Those at the top decide what needs to be done and how. A detective working on sightings, for example, wouldn't see any evidence involving the T9 except perhaps Jane Tanner's.

Unless a team were asked to analyse the evidence against the McCanns they wouldn't do it, so nothing of concern would be found. 

The McCanns were not important, just persistent. They persistently promoted the abduction theory, their own innocence and the inadequacies of the PJ. It's quite possible that Cameron, May and the Met believed them and wanted to help.

We have been by Rowley  told that the evidence against the Mccann's has been looked at and SY are happy with what they have seen

[G-Unit]

We have been by Rowley  told that the evidence against the Mccann's has been looked at and SY are happy with what they have seen

He said;

the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that

It seems OG missed the bit where the investigations into the parents had to be left unfinished, so not completely 'dealt with'.

[Mr Gray]

He said;

the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that

It seems OG missed the bit where the investigations into the parents had to be left unfinished, so not completely 'dealt with'.

more like SY felt the recon was a complete waste of time

[Benice]

more like SY felt the recon was a complete waste of time

Anyone who looks into how a recon could be  carried out  with the accuracy required in order to prove anything would soon realise it simply wasn't possible.   Anyone who does think it is possible needs to explain how that can be done.

IMO

[ShiningInLuz]

We have been by Rowley  told that the evidence against the Mccann's has been looked at and SY are happy with what they have seen

Only if you watched a different Sky documentary to me.  It majored on the fact that the McCanns had been excluded from investigation before OG was established.

[misty]

Only if you watched a different Sky documentary to me.  It majored on the fact that the McCanns had been excluded from investigation before OG was established.

What do you think Jim Gamble & his team were looking at when they reviewed the case prior to reporting to the Home Office pre. the launch of OG?