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Alfie

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #195 on: April 10, 2017, 11:40:52 AM »
Is he 'off limits' ? I don't think I've ever claimed that. I think Amaral made some terrible mistakes but we're not talking about Amaral, we're talking about Edgar. Why the need to deflect?

You post that Edgar's opinion should be given due solemnity yet when faced with the fact that he didn't follow up leads properly, had only read some of the files and wasn't even aware that LCN DNA had already been used in the case you deflect. Why is that ? Apart from the fact that he appears to believe the McCanns are not implicated in their daughter's disappearance why do you give this man's opinion the time of day?
I have never seen you attack Amaral with the relish and delight that you have ripped into Edgar in the last 24 hours despite the fact that the former is at least as bad as the latter if not far more so.  All I have said about Edgar is that he does not IMO deserve your utter contempt and mockery for this latest article in the press which is neither shameful, nor undermining, nor any of the other criticisms you have levelled at him in the last few posts.

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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #197 on: April 10, 2017, 11:45:39 AM »
I have never seen you attack Amaral with the relish and delight that you have ripped into Edgar in the last 24 hours despite the fact that the former is at least as bad as the latter if not far more so.  All I have said about Edgar is that he does not IMO deserve your utter contempt and mockery for this latest article in the press which is neither shameful, nor undermining, nor any of the other criticisms you have levelled at him in the last few posts.

Okay, straight question. Do you believe Edgar's opinion should be viewed with due solemnity given his glaring errors while investigating the case?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #198 on: April 10, 2017, 11:49:20 AM »
1) He held a worldwide press conference looking for an individual who he hadn't made any effort to find himself.
2) When cornered at that conference he claimed the person carrying a child ( that person later being found but not by him) could have been a woman.
3) He stated in a newspaper article that the LCN DNA technique, if used on evidence from the apartment, could solve the case. He didn't seem to be aware that the technique had already been used.
4) He has only read parts of the files.

Shall I go on?

You didn't read, carefully enough, what Edgar said (and didn't say).

Edgar never made the claim that low copy number had not been used in the Madeleine investigation.

He said that if the Portuguese had used it, in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance, greater progress might have been made by the investigation:

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A controversial DNA test used in the failed Omagh bomb case is the key to finding Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, Ulster investigator Dave Edgar has claimed.



But the former RUC detective sergeant’s team will never be able to use it as Portuguese authorities will not give him access to forensic information.

Speaking exclusively to Sunday Life at the HQ of his Alpha Investigations Group in Cheshire, the ex-cop leading the search for Maddie believes that DNA tests, which can establish a profile from just a few cells, could help solve the mystery.

Edgar said he tries to maintain “a decent relationship” with Algarve cops but has blasted them for contaminating the scene of her disappearance.

He claimed if Low Copy Number (LCN) DNA testing had been carried out at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, where Maddie vanished from two years and four months ago, it is “highly likely” her abductor would have been nailed.

LCN DNA is a highly sensitive forensic procedure which magnifies potential evidence that is unidentifiable by traditional DNA testing.

It can obtain a perpetrator’s profile from only a few cells as small as a millionth the size of a grain of salt. Some argue its magnification method leaves evidence open to distortion.

Doubts were raised when south Armagh electrician Sean Hoey was cleared of charges connected to the Omagh bombing in a case which focused on LCN DNA.

But Dave has seen it work before. His team used it in 2007 to snare killer Stephen Mottram, who stabbed love-rival Andrew Batterton to death in a jealous rage.

Dave said: “It’s an amazingly powerful tool, so it’s a real shame we will never get to use it with Maddie.”

Prosecutors in the Omagh case claimed that LCN analysis had shown links between the bomb timers used in the attack and Hoey.

But the judge rejected the use of the technique because it was not yet seen to be at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence and Hoey was cleared of a total of 58 charges, including 29 murders.

A UK-wide suspension of the technique after the Omagh case collapsed was lifted in January of last year and detectives are now free to use it again.

The PSNI has championed Low Copy Number DNA analysis, pointing out that it helped catch Trevor Hamilton, the serial offender who brutally murdered Strabane pensioner Attracta Harron in December 2003.

LCN DNA was also crucial to the conviction fireman Gordon Graham for the 2000 murder of

Lisburn man Paul Gault, husband of Graham’s Fire Service lover Lesley, a mum of triplets.

Graham battered his love rival to death with a hockey stick and tried to the make the killing look like work of a burglar.

But Graham’s attempt to commit the ‘perfect crime’ was undone by traces of his sweat found on the handle of sports bag at the Gault's Audley Park home.

Graham, who has always denied the murder, was ordered to serve a minimum 18 years behind bars by the judge who branded him “brutal and merciless” killer.

Belfast Telegraph

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/dna-test-could-find-kidnapper-28507607.html

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #199 on: April 10, 2017, 11:59:57 AM »
You didn't read, carefully enough, what Edgar said (and didn't say).

Edgar never made the claim that low copy number had not been used in the Madeleine investigation.

He said that if the Portuguese had used it, in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance, greater progress might have been made by the investigation:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/dna-test-could-find-kidnapper-28507607.html

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/A_L_PALMER.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #200 on: April 10, 2017, 12:08:04 PM »
Behave.
Oh look Austin Powers is back.  You made a claim about me, now back it up.  According to you I claimed Edgar's views should be given 'due solemnity' so let's see where I said that please.

Alfie

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #201 on: April 10, 2017, 12:10:47 PM »
Okay, straight question. Do you believe Edgar's opinion should be viewed with due solemnity given his glaring errors while investigating the case?
I believe he is entitled to air his views (which do not strike me as particularly shameful, outlandish, or undermining), certainly at least as much as Goncalo Amaral.  Do you believe Amaral's opinion should be viewed with "due solemnity" given his glaring errors (as admitted by you) while investigating the case?

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #202 on: April 10, 2017, 12:17:13 PM »
Support from whom?  He was a private investigator, not a serving officer in any force.
Funds, payment, fees or whatever is needed to do his work.
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ferryman

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #203 on: April 10, 2017, 12:31:00 PM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/A_L_PALMER.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

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Witness deposition: Andrew Lloyd Palmer; Age if older than 18 years
Profession: Forensic scientist
Address: FSS
References: FSS: 300655190, 400972691; Client: Operation TASK
CJS/URN: 07/06085

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #204 on: April 10, 2017, 12:53:01 PM »
I believe he is entitled to air his views (which do not strike me as particularly shameful, outlandish, or undermining), certainly at least as much as Goncalo Amaral.  Do you believe Amaral's opinion should be viewed with "due solemnity" given his glaring errors (as admitted by you) while investigating the case?

Of course he is entitled to air his views, that's democracy for you, but was it appropriate to air them while there is still an ongoing investigation? As to Amaral's views I think he should also keep quiet while there is an ongoing investigation.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #206 on: April 10, 2017, 12:56:29 PM »
Of course he is entitled to air his views, that's democracy for you, but was it appropriate to air them while there is still an ongoing investigation? As to Amaral's views I think he should also keep quiet while there is an ongoing investigation.
You've been airing your views for the entire duration of the investigation, why shouldn't he?  Or are you bitter because the papers aren't interested in what you have to say on the matter?

ferryman

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #207 on: April 10, 2017, 01:03:08 PM »
And?

You claimed Edgar wasn't aware LCN had been used.

Your claim is patently false, or at least not supported by anything you have posted.

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #208 on: April 10, 2017, 01:14:43 PM »
1) He held a worldwide press conference looking for an individual who he hadn't made any effort to find himself.
2) When cornered at that conference he claimed the person carrying a child ( that person later being found but not by him) could have been a woman.
3) He stated in a newspaper article that the LCN DNA technique, if used on evidence from the apartment, could solve the case. He didn't seem to be aware that the technique had already been used.
4) He has only read parts of the files.

Shall I go on?

Any chance of providing cites?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #209 on: April 10, 2017, 01:31:39 PM »
You've been airing your views for the entire duration of the investigation, why shouldn't he?  Or are you bitter because the papers aren't interested in what you have to say on the matter?

Can you really not see how my ( the average man on the Clapham omnibus ) airing my views is entirely different from Edgar, the lead investigator of the McCanns independent investigation, is not different? Really?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?