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stephen25000

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #765 on: April 15, 2017, 06:02:16 PM »
I didn't say she is alive LOL
You never learn

Try reading again.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #766 on: April 15, 2017, 06:05:25 PM »
Try reading again.

I said the possibility she is alive is a fact
Your lack of comprehension is shown again

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #767 on: April 15, 2017, 06:07:02 PM »
We talk of errors in translation yet some posters can't follow a thread in English

stephen25000

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #768 on: April 15, 2017, 06:12:32 PM »
Typing the pro-McCann propaganda, won't help the McCann's one iota.

All that is eminently obvious, is a continuing attempt to save the McCann's derrieres.

Eventually, the ramifications of the Supreme Court decision will hit home.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #769 on: April 15, 2017, 06:13:44 PM »
Typing the pro-McCann propaganda, won't help the McCann's one iota.

All that is eminently obvious, is a continuing attempt to save the McCann's derrieres.

Eventually, the ramifications of the Supreme Court decision will hit home.
Sharp change of subject LOL

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #770 on: April 15, 2017, 06:21:03 PM »
My opinion?  I think they were threatening Kate.  And they had already lied to her

They let her leave because they had No Evidence.
I assess this supposed deal in the following manner.

The PJ would not have brought it to Carlos' attention if they thought their case was strong.  I understand (Kate's book?) that there was a long discussion between the PJ and Carlos, seemingly about the 'evidence', before Carlos explained the law to the McCanns.

Speculation now follows.  My expectation is that the dogs were positioned as ultra-reliable, never failed blah blah blah.  My expectation is the DNA evidence was relayed as being strong.  In such a situation, it would have been remiss of Carlos not to discuss the 2 year option with Kate and it would have been remiss of Carlos not to recommend the 'no comment' route once arguidoed.

I have no reason to expect that Carlos had the expertise to assess the dog 'evidence' directly.  I have no reason to expect that Carlos had the expertise to assess the DNA evidence directly.

If Kate had admitted to body disposal there was basically no way this could have been disproved by the PJ.  As an arguida, she was entitled to say 'no comment' to anything that might incriminate her more, thus scuppering further progress by the PJ.

Here's the part being missed, the bit supporters cannot see.

Bringing the 2 year option to Carlos, Kate and Gerry should have been a very clear signal to all 3 that the PJ at that point in time were unable to prove body disposal or homicide i.e. that the case they had was weak.

That they did not have sufficient evidence to charge or to take Kate to court re either body concealment or body disposal.

There was no deal.  The PJ were cage-rattling in the hope that something would fall out before Kate and Gerry left for England.

At that point in time, I cannot tell if the PJ believed the line they had been fed about the wonder dogs.  Questions put later to Martin Grime suggest to me that a wonder dog capability had been fed to them, and that they had not performed an independent verification.

Carlos, Kate and Gerry failed to identify that the McCanns were in a strong position.

I believe this is confirmed in their freedom of movement.  From memory, it was also confirmed in their arguido interviews, where they were put on the lowest level of arguidodom, but I would need to check that point again.
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #771 on: April 15, 2017, 06:22:48 PM »
Sharp change of subject LOL

Saying that Madeleine might be alive, or might be found alive, is Mccann propaganda.

LOL.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #772 on: April 15, 2017, 06:29:57 PM »
I assess this supposed deal in the following manner.

The PJ would not have brought it to Carlos' attention if they thought their case was strong.  I understand (Kate's book?) that there was a long discussion between the PJ and Carlos, seemingly about the 'evidence', before Carlos explained the law to the McCanns.

Speculation now follows.  My expectation is that the dogs were positioned as ultra-reliable, never failed blah blah blah.  My expectation is the DNA evidence was relayed as being strong.  In such a situation, it would have been remiss of Carlos not to discuss the 2 year option with Kate and it would have been remiss of Carlos not to recommend the 'no comment' route once arguidoed.

I have no reason to expect that Carlos had the expertise to assess the dog 'evidence' directly.  I have no reason to expect that Carlos had the expertise to assess the DNA evidence directly.

If Kate had admitted to body disposal there was basically no way this could have been disproved by the PJ.  As an arguida, she was entitled to say 'no comment' to anything that might incriminate her more, thus scuppering further progress by the PJ.

Here's the part being missed, the bit supporters cannot see.

Bringing the 2 year option to Carlos, Kate and Gerry should have been a very clear signal to all 3 that the PJ at that point in time were unable to prove body disposal or homicide i.e. that the case they had was weak.

That they did not have sufficient evidence to charge or to take Kate to court re either body concealment or body disposal.

There was no deal.  The PJ were cage-rattling in the hope that something would fall out before Kate and Gerry left for England.

At that point in time, I cannot tell if the PJ believed the line they had been fed about the wonder dogs.  Questions put later to Martin Grime suggest to me that a wonder dog capability had been fed to them, and that they had not performed an independent verification.

Carlos, Kate and Gerry failed to identify that the McCanns were in a strong position.

I believe this is confirmed in their freedom of movement.  From memory, it was also confirmed in their arguido interviews, where they were put on the lowest level of arguidodom, but I would need to check that point again.

The lowest level of arguidodom you are making things up as you go along
Quite bizarre

As is the rest of your post

It's quite clear that the case against the McCanns was weak and we can all see that
That's why the offer was made and it's clear there was an offer
But first tell us about the levels of arguidodom. LOL

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #773 on: April 15, 2017, 06:39:46 PM »
The fact is her lawyer confirms that the conversation took place
The choice being admit the lesser charge or risk being charged with the more serious charge
That's an offer
You need to be consistent in only accepting facts
If you only accept facts then you should not speculate on other topics
Kate's lawyer confirmed that the description of an alleged deal was incorrect.

If you have a source that Carlos described a deal to Kate, cite it.
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #774 on: April 15, 2017, 06:41:47 PM »
Kate's lawyer confirmed that the description of an alleged deal was incorrect.

If you have a source that Carlos described a deal to Kate, cite it.

Could we have a cite for the different levels of arguidodom
There is no such word
You are getting confused

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #775 on: April 15, 2017, 06:42:03 PM »
You have stated that the lawyer said this was a misunderstanding
Who says this happened and why do you accept it to be true
Inconsistent
The Telegraph report.
What's up, old man?

Alfie

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Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #776 on: April 15, 2017, 06:42:35 PM »
Kate's lawyer confirmed that the description of an alleged deal was incorrect.

If you have a source that Carlos described a deal to Kate, cite it.
The deal was "confess to hiding a child's body and "only" get two years".  End of. 

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #777 on: April 15, 2017, 06:43:49 PM »
The Telegraph report.

That is not a direct quote and there is no clear explanation as to what he meant

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #778 on: April 15, 2017, 06:44:31 PM »
Kate's lawyer confirmed that the description of an alleged deal was incorrect.

If you have a source that Carlos described a deal to Kate, cite it.

Kates book

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #779 on: April 15, 2017, 06:45:52 PM »
Translation doesn't come into this.  Mark Harrison is English and wrote his report in English.

Mark Harrison's original (English-written) report is there, for us to read.
His report is.

Where is the actual brief from the Portuguese?  The one that came before Harrison's report.
What's up, old man?