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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1560 on: August 16, 2018, 11:45:40 AM »
Part4...
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Disclosure
Part 15 Disclosure
Defence statement, CrimPR 15.4 (Word 39kb, 2 pages) [dis001-eng.doc]
Defence statement, CrimPR 15.4 (PDF 16kb, 2 pages) [dis001-eng.pdf]
Defence witness notice, CrimPR 15.4 (Word 56kb, 2pages) [dis002-eng.doc]
Defence witness notice, CrimPR 15.4 (PDF 38kb, 2 pages) [dis002-eng.pdf]
Defendant's application for prosecution disclosure, CrimPR 15.5 (Word 36kb, 2 pages) [dis003-eng.doc]
Defendant's application for prosecution disclosure, CrimPR 15.5 (PDF 36kb, 2 pages) [dis003-eng.pdf]
Evidence
Part 16 Written witness statements
Written witness statement, CrimPR 16.2 (Word 30kb, 1 page) [ws001-eng.doc]
Written witness statement, CrimPR 16.2 (PDF 18kb, 1 page) [ws001-eng.pdf]
Prosecutor’s notice to defendant of proof by written witness statement, CrimPR 16.4 (Word 53kb, 2 pages) [ws002-eng.doc]
Prosecutor’s notice to defendant of proof by written witness statement, CrimPR 16.4 (Word 53kb, 2 pages) (PDF 39kb, 2 pages) [ws002-eng.pdf]
Part 17 Witness summonses, warrants and orders
Application for a witness summons, CrimPR 17.3, 17.4 (Word 56kb, 3 pages) [swo001-eng.doc]
Application for a witness summons, CrimPR 17.3, 17.4 (PDF 54kb, 3 pages) [swo001-eng.pdf]
Application for a witness summons: confidential information relating to another person, CrimPR 17.3, 17.4, 17.5 (Word 63kb, 4 pages) [swo002-eng.doc]
Application for a witness summons: confidential information relating to another person, CrimPR 17.3, 17.4, 17.5 (PDF 50kb, 4 pages) [swo002-eng.pdf]
Part 18 Measures to assist a witness or defendant to give evidence
Application for a special measures direction, CrimPR 18.3, 18.10 (Word 29kb, 8 pages) [mae001-eng.doc]
Application for a special measures direction, CrimPR 18.3, 18.10 (PDF 38kb, 8 pages) [mae001-eng.pdf]
Application for a witness to give evidence by live link, CrimPR 18.3, 18.24 (Word 64kb, 4 pages) [mae002-eng.doc]
Application for a witness to give evidence by live link, CrimPR 18.3, 18.24 (PDF 49KB, 4 pages) [mae002-eng.pdf]

Part 19 Expert evidence
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Part 20 Hearsay evidence

Notice to introduce hearsay evidence, CrimPR 20.2 (Word 42kb, 2 pages) [he001-eng.doc]
Notice to introduce hearsay evidence, CrimPR 20.2 (PDF 27.5kb, 2 pages) [he001-eng.pdf]
Application to exclude hearsay evidence after notice, CrimPR 20.3 (Word 42kb, 2 pages) [he002-eng.doc]
Application to exclude hearsay evidence after notice, CrimPR 20.3 (PDF 20.7kb, 2 page) [he002-eng.pdf]
Application to exclude hearsay evidence where no notice required, CrimPR 20.3 (Word 40kb, 2 pages) [he003-eng.doc]
Application to exclude hearsay evidence where no notice required, CrimPR 20.3 (PDF 20.7kb, 2 pages) [he003-eng.pdf]

Part 21 Evidence of bad character

Application to introduce evidence of a non-defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.3(2) (Word 42kb, 2 pages) [ebc001-eng.doc]
Application to introduce evidence of a non-defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.3(2) (PDF 20.7kb, 2 pages) [ebc001-eng.pdf]
Notice objecting to evidence of a non-defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.3(4) (Word 42kb, 2 pages) [ebc002-eng.doc]
Notice objecting to evidence of a non-defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.3(4) (PDF 20.0kb, 2 pages) [ebc002-eng.pdf]
Notice to introduce evidence of a defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.4(2) (Word 42kb, 2 pages) [ebc003-eng.doc]
Notice to introduce evidence of a defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.4(2) (PDF 21kb, 2 pages) [ebc003-eng.pdf]
Application to exclude evidence of a defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.4(5) (Word 40kb, 2 pages) [ebc004-eng.doc]
Application to exclude evidence of a defendant’s bad character, CrimPR 21.4(5) (PDF 20.6kb, 2 pages) [ebc004-eng.pdf]






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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1561 on: August 16, 2018, 11:49:44 AM »
part 5..

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Part 22 Evidence of a complainant’s previous sexual behaviour
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Part 23 Restriction on cross-examination by a defendant
Prosecutor’s notice of prohibition against cross-examination by defendant in person (Word 188kb, 7 pages) [rce001-eng.doc]
Prosecutor’s notice of prohibition against cross-examination by defendant in person (PDF, 7 pages) [rce001-eng.pdf]
Prosecutor’s application for order prohibiting cross-examination by defendant in person (Word 224kb, 9 pages) [rce002-eng.doc]
Prosecutor’s application for order prohibiting cross-examination by defendant in person (PDF, 9 pages) [rce002-eng.pdf]
Court’s notice of prohibition against cross-examination by defendant in person (Word 152kb, 5 pages) [rce003-eng.doc]
Court’s notice of prohibition against cross-examination by defendant in person (PDF, 5 pages) [rce003-eng.pdf]
Court’s notice of appointment of advocate (Word 76kb, 2 pages) [rce004-eng.doc]
Court’s notice of appointment of advocate (PDF, 2 pages) [rce004-eng.pdf]
Trial
Part 24 Trial and sentence in a magistrates’ court
Statutory declaration of ignorance of proceedings, CrimPR 24.17 (Word 57kb, 2 pages) [tsm001-eng.doc]
Statutory declaration of ignorance of proceedings, CrimPR 24.17 (PDF 41kb, 2 pages) [tsm001-eng.pdf]
Datganiad Statudol, CrimPR 24.17 (Word 59kb, 2 pages) [tsm001-cym.doc]
Datganiad Statudol, CrimPR 24.17 (PDF 52kb, 2 pages) [tsm001-cym.pdf]
Part 25 Trial and sentence in the Crown Court
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Part 26 Jurors
Notice to jurors, CrimPR 26.3 (PDF 1.2Mb, 3 pages) [j001-eng.pdf]
Pwysig i rheithiwr. CrimPR.26.3 ((PDF 1.9Mb, 6 pages) [j001-cym.pdf]
Part 27 Retrial after acquittal
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Sentencing
Part 28 Sentencing procedures in special cases
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Part 29 Road traffic penalties
Statutory declaration under s. 72(2), Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, CrimPR 29.4 (Word 40kb, 1 page) [rtp002-eng.doc]
Statutory declaration under s. 72(2), Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, CrimPR 29.4 (PDF 24.5kb, 1 page) [rtp002-eng.pdf]
Statutory declaration under s. 73(2), Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, CrimPR 29.4 (Word 45kb, 2 pages) [rtp003-eng.doc]
Statutory declaration under s. 73(2), Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, CrimPR 29.4 (PDF 26.1kb, 2 pages) [rtp003-eng.pdf]
Notice of appeal against recognition of foreign driving disqualification, CrimPR 29.6 (Word 50kb, 2 pages) [rtp001-eng.doc]
Notice of appeal against recognition of foreign driving disqualification, CrimPR 29.6 (PDF 22.0kb, 2 pages) [rtp001-eng.pdf]
Part 30 Enforcement of fines and other orders for payment
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Part 31 Behaviour orders
Notice of intention to apply, and application, for a serious crime prevention order, CrimPR 31.3 (Word 46kb, 4 pages) [cbo001-eng.doc]
Notice of intention to apply, and application, for a serious crime prevention order, CrimPR 31.3 (PDF 24.3kb, 4 pages) [cbo001-eng.pdf]
Notice of intention to apply, and application, for a criminal behaviour order, CrimPR 31.3 (Word 42kb, 3 pages) [cbo002-eng.doc]
Notice of intention to apply, and application, for a criminal behaviour order, CrimPR 31.3 (PDF 24.3kb, 3 pages) [cbo002-eng.pdf]
Application to vary or revoke a behaviour order, CrimPR 31.5 [cbo003-eng.doc]
Application to vary or revoke a behaviour order, CrimPR 31.5 [cbo003-eng.pdf]

Part 32 Breach, revocation and amendment of community and other orders
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Confiscation and related proceedings
Part 33 Confiscation and related proceedings
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Appeal

Part 34 Appeal to the Crown Court

Appeal notice, CrimPR 34.3 (Word 53kb, 2 pages) [acc001-eng.doc]
Appeal notice, CrimPR 34.3 (PDF 32kb, 2 pages) [acc001-eng.pdf]
Appeal notice (easy read version), CrimPR 34.3 (Word 4Mb, 8 pages) [acc003-eng.doc]
Appeal notice (easy read version), CrimPR 34.3 (pdf, 8 pages) [acc003-eng.pdf]
Notice abandoning an appeal, CrimPR 34.9 (Word 32kb, 2 pages) [acc002-eng]
Notice abandoning an appeal, CrimPR 34.9 (PDF, 2 pages) [acc002-eng.pdf]

Part 35 Appeal to the High Court by case stated

Application to magistrates’ court or Crown Court to state a case for an appeal to the High Court, CrimPR 35.2 (Word 45kb, 2 pages) [ahc001-eng.doc]
Application to magistrates’ court or Crown Court to state a case for an appeal to the High Court, CrimPR 35.2 (PDF, 2 pages) [ahc001-eng.pdf]



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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1562 on: August 16, 2018, 11:58:48 AM »
Part 6...

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Part 36 Appeal to the Court of Appeal: general rules
Notice of abandonment of proceedings in the Court of Appeal, CrimPR 36.13 (CAO Form A) (Word 47kb, 2 pages) [form-a(cpr)-eng.doc]
Notice of abandonment of proceedings in the Court of Appeal, CrimPR 36.13 (CAO Form A) (PDF 34.5kb, 2 pages) [form-a(cpr)-eng.pdf]
Notice of abandonment of proceedings instituted under s.9(11) Criminal Justice Act, 1987, s.35(1) Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996 or s.47(1) Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 65.13(3) (CAO Form A, Prep) (Word 47kb, 1 page) [form-a(prep)-eng.doc]
Notice of abandonment of proceedings instituted under s.9(11) Criminal Justice Act, 1987, or s.35(1) Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act, 1996, or s.47(1) Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 65.13(3) (CAO Form A, Prep) (PDF 22kb, 1 page) [form-a(prep)-eng.pdf]
Notice of abandonment of proceedings instituted under s.58 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 36.13 (CoA Form A ([ censored word ])) (Word 46kb, 1 page) [form-a([ censored word ])-eng.doc]
Notice of abandonment of proceedings instituted under s.58 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 36.13 (CoA Form A ([ censored word ])) (PDF 27.5kb, 1 page) [form-a([ censored word ])-eng.pdf]
Part 37 Appeal to the Court of Appeal against ruling at preparatory hearing
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against ruling(s) made at a preparatory hearing, CrimPR 37.3 (CAO Form NG (Prep)) (Word 77kb, 4 pages) [form-ng(prep)-eng.doc]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against ruling(s) made at a preparatory hearing, CrimPR 37.3 (CAO Form NG (Prep)) (PDF 36kb, 4 pages) [form-ng(prep)-eng.pdf]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal against ruling(s) made at a preparatory hearing, CrimPR 37.5 (CAO form RN(Prep)) (Word 60kb, 3 pages) [form-rn(prep)-eng.doc]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal against ruling(s) made at a preparatory hearing, CrimPR 37.5 (CAO form RN(Prep)) (PDF 88kb, 3 pages) [form-rn(prep)-eng.pdf]

Part 38 Appeal to the Court of Appeal against ruling adverse to prosecution

Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, under s.58 Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 38.4 (CAO Form NG ([ censored word ])) (Word 64kb, 3 pages) [form-ng([ censored word ])-eng.doc]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, under s.58 Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 38.4 (CAO Form NG ([ censored word ])) (PDF 42.8kb, 3 pages) [form-ng([ censored word ])-eng.pdf]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal under s.58 Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 38.7 (CAO Form RN ([ censored word ])) (Word 61kb, 2 pages) [form-rn([ censored word ])-eng.doc]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal under s.58 Criminal Justice Act 2003, CrimPR 38.7 (CAO Form RN ([ censored word ])) (PDF 37.1kb, 2 pages) [form-rn([ censored word ])-eng.pdf]


Part 39 Appeal to the Court of Appeal about conviction or sentence

Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against conviction or sentence, CrimPR 39.3 (CAO Form NG) (Word 120kb, 7 pages) [form-ng-eng.doc]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against conviction or sentence, CrimPR 39.3 (CAO Form NG) (PDF 129kb, 7 pages) [form-ng-eng.pdf]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal against conviction or sentence, CrimPR 39.6 (CAO Form RN) (Word 54kb, 3 pages) [form-rn-eng.doc]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal against conviction or sentence, CrimPR 39.6 (CAO Form RN) (PDF 37.2kb, 3 pages) [form-rn-eng.pdf]
Notice of application for bail, CrimPR 39.8 (CAO Form B) (Word 51kb, 2 pages) [form-b(cpr)-eng.doc]
Notice of application for bail, CrimPR 39.8 (CAO Form B) (PDF 30.5kb, 2 pages) [form-b(cpr)-eng.pdf]
Recognizance of appellant’s surety, CrimPR 39.9 (Word 45kb, 1 page) [cacs015-eng.doc]
Recognizance of appellant’s surety, CrimPR 39.9 (PDF 34kb, 1 page) [cacs015-eng.pdf]
Recognizance of appellant’s surety pending re-trial, CrimPR 39.9 (Word 45kb, 1 page) [cacs016-eng.doc]
Recognizance of appellant’s surety pending re-trial, CrimPR 39.9 (PDF 34kb, 1 page) [cacs016-eng.pdf]
Notice of application for a witness order and / or permission to call a witness, CrimPR 39.3, 39.7 (CAO Form W) (Word 49kb, 2 pages) [form-w-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a witness order and / or permission to call a witness, CrimPR 39.3, 39.7 (CAO Form W) (PDF, 2 pages) [form-w-eng.pdf]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against a minimum term set or reviewed by the High Court, CrimPR 39.3 (CAO Form NG(MT)) (Word 93kb, 4 pages) [form-ng(mt)-eng.doc]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against a minimum term set or reviewed by the High Court, CrimPR 39.3 (CAO Form NG(MT)) (PDF 106kb. 4 page) [form-ng(mt)-eng.pdf]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against a sentence review decision, CrimPR 39.3 (CAO Form NG(RD)) (Word 115kb, 6 pages) [form-ng(rd)-eng.doc]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, against a sentence review decision, CrimPR 39.3 (CAO Form NG(RD)) (PDF 125kb. 6 page) [form-ng(rd)-eng.pdf]
Notice and grounds of appeal, or application for permission to appeal, in relation to a serious crime prevention order under s.24 Serious Crime Act 2007, CrimPR 39.3 (CAO Form NG(SCPO)) (PDF 123kb, 6 pages) [form-ng(scpo)-eng.pdf]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal in relation to a serious crime prevention order under s.24 Serious Crime Act 2007, CrimPR 39.6 (CAO Form RN(SCPO)) (Word 55kb, 2 pages) [form-rn(scpo)-eng.doc]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal in relation to a serious crime prevention order under s.24 Serious Crime Act 2007, CrimPR 39.6 (CAO Form RN (SCPO)) (PDF 37.2kb, 2 pages) [form-rn(scpo)-eng.pdf]

Part 40 Appeal to the Court of Appeal about reporting or public access restriction

Notice of application for permission to appeal about reporting or public access restriction, CrimPR 40.3 (CAO Form NG(159)) (Word 57kb, 3 pages) [form-ng(159)-eng.doc]
Notice of application for permission to appeal about reporting or public access restriction, CrimPR 40.3 (CAO Form NG(159)) (PDF 80.8kb, 3 pages) [form-ng(159)-eng.pdf]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal about reporting or public access restriction, CrimPR Rule 40.6 (CAO Form RN(159)) (PDF 38kb, 2 pages) [form-rn(159)-eng.pdf]

Part 41 Reference to the Court of Appeal of point of law or unduly lenient sentencing
There are no forms for use with this Part.


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« Reply #1563 on: August 16, 2018, 12:01:35 PM »
Part 7....
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Part 42 Appeal to the Court of Appeal in confiscation and related proceedings

Notice of application for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court, CrimPR 42.10 (Word 49kb, 2 pages) [form-poca5-eng.doc]
Notice of application for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court, CrimPR 42.10 (PDF 24kb, 2 pages) [form-poca5-eng.pdf]
Notice and grounds of application for leave to appeal, and appeal, about confiscation under s.31 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.11 (Word 47kb, 5 pages) [form-poca1-eng.doc]
Notice and grounds of application for leave to appeal, and appeal, about confiscation under s.31 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.11 (PDF 88.3kb, 5 pages) [form-poca1-eng.pdf]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal about confiscation under s.31 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.12 (Word 64kb, 3 pages) [form-poca2-eng.doc]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal about confiscation under s.31 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.12 (PDF 77kb, 3 pages) [form-poca2-eng.pdf]
Notice and grounds of application for leave to appeal and appeal about compliance, restraint or receivership decision under ss.13B, 43 or 65 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.15 (Word 64kb, 6 pages) [form-poca3-eng.doc]
Notice and grounds of application for leave to appeal and appeal about compliance, restraint or receivership decision under ss.13B, 43 or 65 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.15 (PDF 84.3kb, 6 pages) [form-poca3-eng.pdf]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal about compliance, restraint or receivership decision under ss.13B, 43 or 65 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.16 (Word 64kb, 6 pages) [form-poca4-eng.doc]
Respondent’s notice and grounds of opposition to appeal about compliance, restraint or receivership decision under ss.13B, 43 or 65 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, CrimPR 42.16 (PDF 72.1kb, 6 pages) [form-poca4-eng.pdf]

Part 43 Appeal or reference to the Supreme Court

Notice of application for permission to appeal to the Supreme Court, CrimPR 43.2 (CAO Form SC) (Word 78kb, 3 pages) [form-sc-eng.doc]
Notice of application for permission to appeal to the Supreme Court, CrimPR 43.2 (CAO Form SC) (PDF 80kb, 3 pages) [form-sc-eng.pdf]
Recognizance of defendant's surety on appeal to the Supreme Court, CrimPR 43.4 (PDF 13kb, 1 page) [arsc002-eng.pdf]


Part 44 Request to the European Court for a preliminary ruling
There are no forms for use with this Part.

Costs
Part 45 Costs
Application for a wasted, etc. costs order under CrimPR 45.8, 45.9 or 45.10 (Word 46kb, 2 pages) [costs002-eng.doc]
Application for a wasted, etc. costs order under CrimPR 45.8, 45.9 or 45.10 (PDF 49kb, 2 pages) [costs002-eng.pdf]
Appellant’s notice on costs appeal to a Costs Judge, CrimPR 45.12 (Word 67kb, 3 pages) [costs001-eng.doc]
Appellant’s notice on costs appeal to a Costs Judge, CrimPR 45.12 (PDF 64kb, 3 pages) [costs001-eng.pdf]
Other proceedings

Part 46 Representatives
Application by person with legal aid to change solicitor (Word 164kb, 8 pages) [rep001-eng.doc]
Application by person with legal aid to change solicitor (PDF, 8 pages) [rep001-eng.pdf]

Part 47 Investigation orders and warrants
Investigation orders
Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984

Application for a production order under PACE Schedule 1, paragraph 4, CrimPR 47.10 (special procedure material; first set of access conditions) (Word 0.09mb, 11 pages) [iw004-eng.doc]
Application for a production order under PACE Schedule 1, paragraph 4, CrimPR 47.10 (excluded or special procedure material; second set of access conditions) (Word 0.09mb, 11 pages) [iw005-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a PACE production order, CrimPR 47.10 (Word 0.05mb, 3 pages) [iw006-eng.doc]
Terrorism Act 2000

Application for a production order and order to grant entry under TA Schedule 5, paragraph 5, CrimPR 47.12 (Word 0.09mb, 12 pages) [iw009-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a TA production order, CrimPR 47.12 (Word 0.04mb, 3 pages) [iw010-eng.doc]
Application for a disclosure order under TA Schedule 5A, CrimPR 47.13 (Word 0.09mb, 10 pages) [iw029-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a TA disclosure order, CrimPR 47.13 (Word 0.05mb, 3 pages) [iw030-eng.doc]
Application for an explanation order under TA Schedule 5, paragraph 13, CrimPR 47.14 (Word 0.08mb, 8 pages) [iw012-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a TA explanation order, CrimPR 47.14 (Word 0.04mb, 2 pages) [iw013-eng.doc]
Application for a customer information order under TA Schedule 6, paragraph 1, CrimPR 47.15 (Word 0.08mb, 8 pages) [iw014-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a TA customer information order, CrimPR 47.15 (Word 0.04mb, 2 pages) [iw015-eng.doc]
Application for an account monitoring order under TA Schedule 6A, paragraph 2, CrimPR 47.16 (Word 0.08mb, 8 pages) [iw016-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a TA account monitoring order, CrimPR 47.16 (Word 0.04mb, 2 pages) [iw017-eng.doc]



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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1564 on: August 16, 2018, 12:12:46 PM »
Part 8...

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Proceeds of Crime Act 2002

Application for a production order and order to grant entry under POCA sections 345 and 347, CrimPR 47.18 (Word 0.1mb, 11 pages) [iw018-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a POCA production order, CrimPR 47.18 (Word 0.04mb, 2 pages) [iw019-eng.doc]
Application for a disclosure order under POCA section 357, CrimPR 47.20 (Word 0.09mb, 10 pages) [iw021-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a POCA disclosure order, CrimPR 47.20 (Word 0.04mb, 3 pages) [iw022-eng.doc]
Application for a further information order under POCA section 339ZH, CrimPR 47.20 (Word 0.03mb, 3 pages) [iw031-eng.doc]
Application for a customer information order under POCA section 363, CrimPR 47.21 (Word 0.09mb, 10 pages) [iw023-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a POCA customer information order, CrimPR 47.21 (Word 0.04mb, 3 pages) [iw024-eng.doc]
Application for an account monitoring order under POCA section 370, CrimPR 47.22 (Word 0.09mb, 9 pages) [iw025-eng.doc]
Notice of application for a POCA account monitoring order, CrimPR 47.22 (Word 0.04mb, 2 pages) [iw026-eng.doc]
Investigation warrants

Investigation warrants

Application for search warrant under s.8 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, CrimPR 47.28 (Word 0.12mb, 10 pages) [iw001-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under s.8 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 Welsh language edition, CrimPR 47.28 (Word 0.12mb, 10 pages) [iw001-cym.doc]
Application for search warrant under s.2 Criminal Justice Act 1987, CrimPR 47.29 (Word 0.08mb, 7 pages) [iw002-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under s.2 Criminal Justice Act 1987 Welsh language edition, CrimPR 47.29 (Word 0.08mb, 7 pages) [iw002-cym.doc]
Application for a search warrant under PACE Schedule 1, paragraph 12, CrimPR 47.30 (special procedure material; first set of access conditions) (Word 0.1mb, 13 pages) [iw007-eng.doc]
Application for a search warrant under PACE Schedule 1, paragraph 12, CrimPR 47.30 (excluded or special procedure material; second set of access conditions) (Word 0.1mb, 13 pages) [iw008-eng.doc]
Application for a search warrant under TA Schedule 5, paragraph 11, CrimPR 47.31 (Word 0.09mb, 11 pages) [iw011-eng.doc]
Application for a search warrant under POCA section 352, CrimPR 47.32 (Word 0.09mb, 10 pages) [iw020-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under ss.15 & 16 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, CrimPR 47.34 (Word 0.11mb, 10 pages) [iw003-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under ss.15 & 16 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 Welsh language edition, CrimPR 47.34 (Word 0.10mb, 10 pages) [iw003-cym.doc]
Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 application
Supplement to application for a search warrant or production order under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and the Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 section 16, CrimPR 47.6, 47.10, 47.26, 47.28 & 47.30 (Word 0.05mb, 2 pages) [iw027-eng.doc]
Criminal Justice (European Investigation Order) Regulations 2017 application
Application for a European investigation order under regulations 6, 11 & 15 – 19, Criminal Justice (European Investigation Order) Regulations 2017, CrimPR 47.60 & 47.61 (Word 0.08mb, 8 pages) [iw028-eng.doc]

Investigation warrants

Application for search warrant under s.8 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, CrimPR 47.28 (Word 0.12mb, 10 pages) [iw001-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under s.8 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 Welsh language edition, CrimPR 47.28 (Word 0.12mb, 10 pages) [iw001-cym.doc]
Application for search warrant under s.2 Criminal Justice Act 1987, CrimPR 47.29 (Word 0.08mb, 7 pages) [iw002-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under s.2 Criminal Justice Act 1987 Welsh language edition, CrimPR 47.29 (Word 0.08mb, 7 pages) [iw002-cym.doc]
Application for a search warrant under PACE Schedule 1, paragraph 12, CrimPR 47.30 (special procedure material; first set of access conditions) (Word 0.1mb, 13 pages) [iw007-eng.doc]
Application for a search warrant under PACE Schedule 1, paragraph 12, CrimPR 47.30 (excluded or special procedure material; second set of access conditions) (Word 0.1mb, 13 pages) [iw008-eng.doc]
Application for a search warrant under TA Schedule 5, paragraph 11, CrimPR 47.31 (Word 0.09mb, 11 pages) [iw011-eng.doc]
Application for a search warrant under POCA section 352, CrimPR 47.32 (Word 0.09mb, 10 pages) [iw020-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under ss.15 & 16 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, CrimPR 47.34 (Word 0.11mb, 10 pages) [iw003-eng.doc]
Application for search warrant under ss.15 & 16 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 Welsh language edition, CrimPR 47.34 (Word 0.10mb, 10 pages) [iw003-cym.doc]
Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 application
Supplement to application for a search warrant or production order under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and the Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 section 16, CrimPR 47.6, 47.10, 47.26, 47.28 & 47.30 (Word 0.05mb, 2 pages) [iw027-eng.doc]
Criminal Justice (European Investigation Order) Regulations 2017 application
Application for a European investigation order under regulations 6, 11 & 15 – 19, Criminal Justice (European Investigation Order) Regulations 2017, CrimPR 47.60 & 47.61 (Word 0.08mb, 8 pages) [iw028-eng.doc]
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Every word document and pdf you can download...  I can download it and you can down load it they are all links...

You can fill in the word document forms if you like....

With this case we do not know whether everything was done online... We do not know who filled in what and who signed what, we do not have these people telling us in court... We only have what the media has told us about this case and trial... And a Placid Dutchman suddenly deciding to plead guilty to Manslaughter in May 2011, when NO facts have been established by the prosecution.... No evidence connected Dr Vincent Tabak to this case at that point..

Why would a man of Dr Vincent Tabak's  profession and standing suddenly decide to spill the beans?? He had already said that the DNA was planted basically... so he could have kept with that and not told us on the stand what he apparently did....

Nothing but the man on the stand puts Dr Vincent Tabak at the scene.... But I want to know was the man on the stand really Dr Vincent Tabak... Or just some civilian who assumed the role???

And as with the witness statement at trial... they were just read out and not by the witness's themselves... So how do we know that the contents of these statements are correct and true?? They could just be another form that was filled out online... Just like Avon and Somerset Police had at the time of this Investigation, an online form for witness's to give evidence to the Police....

But were the people who filled out these forms online for the Police really the person they claimed to be?? What evidence proved the form filler were say for instance Tanja Morson.... Or was it just someone online assuming the role of said person...

It just shows how dangerous it is to accept that  someone is say Dr Vincent Tabak, for instance, without any verification of this....

And who verified that the people who wrote statements, were actually the people they said they were??

Nobody...(imo)




https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/forms#Anchor3

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1565 on: August 16, 2018, 12:33:40 PM »
I find it unbelievable and I would say impossible for a thorough Investigation into The Murder of Joanna Yeates was concluded in a matter of weeks...  Without every avenue being Investigated and eliminated in this case..

I have posted the longest posts known to man and have been writing about this case 20 months on this forum... I have spent hours and hours not moving from my keyboard, cross referencing, the information i have come across...

So how can we accept the findings of this trial if every possible person connected to Joanna Yeates was NOT eliminated?? Not even her immediate friends and colleagues......

How can we accept that a Placid Dutchman whom did not know Joanna Yeates and had never met her decided to kill her... On a whim...

A Dutch National who had no Forensic Evidence connecting him to this Crime...  No CCTV Footage of his Journey in that car that night between different Crime Scenes..... And the smallest window of opportunity known to man, to do it....

But it has been accepted...

Why...

Why and how was this even possible?? Why still does no-one speak of this Case....  It really is a question everyone should ask themselves...




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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1566 on: August 16, 2018, 02:12:05 PM »
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Baz you don't need to ask me that question, it is obvious...  Now the point of this is because,  This entire exercise appears to be electronic....


I actually am genuinely confused by this. So when you say:

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have obtained a copy of Dr Vincent Tabak's application for new representation..I will attach copies of this application the application made by Dr Vincent Tabak

Is that actually something Tabak has written? Because in it he claims to have said "Not guilty" but I have never heard him claim to have pleaded not guilty. I'm so confused by your postings at the moment... more so than usual.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1567 on: August 16, 2018, 02:15:49 PM »
The form for Bad Character Evidence to be introduced into trial.....

____________________________________________________________________________________________

NOTICE TO INTRODUCE EVIDENCE OF A DEFENDANT’S
BAD CHARACTER
(Criminal Procedure Rules, rule 21.4(2))

This notice is given by [the prosecutor]
                                        [ ……………………………………… (name of co-defendant)]

I want to introduce evidence of the bad character of ……………………………...… (defendant’s name) on the following ground(s) in the Criminal Justice Act 2003:

 it is important explanatory evidence: s.101(1)(c).
 it is relevant to an important matter in issue between that defendant and the prosecution: s.101(1)(d).
 it has substantial probative value in relation to an important matter in issue between that defendant and a co-defendant: s.101(1)(e).
 it is evidence to correct a false impression given by that defendant: s.101(1)(f).
 that defendant has made an attack on another person’s character: s.101(1)(g).

How to use this form

1. Complete the boxes above and give the details required in the boxes below.  If you use an electronic version of this form, the boxes will expand. If you use a paper version and need more space, you may attach extra sheets.
2. Sign and date the completed form.
3. Send a copy of the completed form to:
(a) the court, and
(b) each other party to the case.

Notes:
1. You must send this form so as to reach the recipients within the time prescribed by Criminal Procedure Rule 21.4(3) or (4). The court may extend that time limit, but if you are late you must explain why.
2. A party who objects to the introduction of the evidence must apply to the court under Criminal Procedure Rule 21.4(5) not more than 14 days after service of this notice.

1)  Facts of the misconduct.  If the misconduct is a previous conviction, explain whether you rely on (a) the fact of that conviction, or (b) the circumstances of that offence.  If (b), set out the facts on which you rely.

2)  How you will prove those facts, if in dispute.  A party who objects to the introduction of the evidence must explain which, if any, of the facts set out above are in dispute.  Explain in outline on what you will then rely to prove those facts, e.g. whether you rely on (a) a certificate of conviction, (b) another official record (and if so, which), or (c) other evidence (and if so, what).

3)  Reasons why the evidence is admissible.  Explain why the evidence is admissible, by reference to the provision(s) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 on which you rely.

4)  Reasons for any extension of time required.  If this notice is served late, explain why.

Signed: …………………………………………………………………...…. [prosecutor]
                                                                  [co-defendant / co-defendant’s solicitor]

Date: ………………………….

____________________________________________________________________________________________

So where does the apparent porn watching come into this Bad Character Evidence??  We are told by the media which type of porn that Dr Vincent Tabak apparently liked to watch, yet there is NO Evidence that he did, just stories in the media about it.... It was never introduced into evidence making it NONE Evidence.....

How can it be explanatory evidence??  This Crime was always from day one NOT Sexually Motivated, there was no physical sexual assault committed... Dr Vincent Tabak did not rape Joanna Yeates... Joanna Yeates was not raped....

Yet a spurious connection has been made by the media about apparent images and what Dr Vincent Tabak liked to do, when it wasn't even introduced into evidence.... It could have come from anywhere....

There is nothing on this from that I can see which would relate to Dr Vincent Tabak.... It cannot be the reason of a false impression given by the defendant, because it doesn't relate to that... It was always used in terms that the Strangulation Porn was the reason that Dr Vincent Tabak attacked Joanna Yeates....

The prosecution must have known that this evidence of porn was weak, seeing as no person appeared in court or did a live interview about Dr Vincent Tabak's sexual preferences....  (Did someone fill in a form??)

So to even suggest to us that this porn was part of trial seems ridiculous to me.... The judge should have denied the application immediately, long before trial.... Not have it at a trial where jurors heard this.... This Bad Character Evidence should have been argued about behind closed doors... not the press telling us what they can now reveal.....

It wasn't relevant then, it wasn't proven then and the case is still the same today..... Who removed the hard-drive from any computers that Dr Vincent Tabak had access too? Who made a copy of said laptops/computer so the original hard-drive had not been compromised?? No Computer Expert appeared at trial for the prosecution, who explained how they had obtained the information from these hard-drives...

No Independant Computer expert appeared  for the defence, to explain whether or not the computer evidence had been handled correctly...

So If we cannot prove the porn evidence, how can we prove that any of the evidence taken from Dr Vincent Tabak's laptop/computers had been extracted in the correct fashion..... Meaning the searches etc also could have been compromised...

Do we just take the Polices word on this, that the correct procedure were followed???

Dr Vincent Tabak had no prior Misconduct charges.... No previous convictions... not even a parking ticket.... No -one attended court or had made a statement to tell us of their experiences of Dr Vincent Tabak not being anything other than a Placid Dutchman...

So literally there wasn't any Bad Character evidence to give about this man... Yet they managed to get a whole population to believe in evidence that had not been proven and had not been introduced, when they wanted us all to be happy with the conviction of Dr Vincent Tabak....

The question has got to be.... Did the prosecution actually apply to introduce the Bad Character Evidence?? Or is it all made up of gossip in the media??

Just because the judge says he is satisfied that this crime had a sexual element to it.. doesn't make it so.... Nothing proved that it was... even the admission of a kiss, we have heard about doesn't make it sexually motivated... Anyone worth their salt could find a good argument against that....

Every time we kiss someone when we greet them or say goodbye isn't considered a sexual assault by any of us... Or more importantly "Sexually motivated"..... So why is Dr Vincent Tabak's apparent Kiss seen any differently?? Was it part of his culture to Kiss someone when you first meet them... We don't know... Was it something Dr Vincent Tabak did when he meet someone... We don't know that either....

But we have been allowed to believe the fact that Dr Vincent Tabak apparently kissed Joanna Yeates was a sexual assault and the Judge said: "I think there was a sexual element to this killing"

But how did the judge come to that conclusion without evidence to support it or introduced into evidence??

Is a Kiss enough to say that it was a sexual killing? Is the judge having an off day?? His comments are taken by everyone as supporting the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak was some kind of sexual deviant , especially with the reports in the media afterwards...

And in what context was this kiss given? Was it a greeting as I have suggested... Because if Dr Vincent Tabak's intention was to get sexual gratification from this assault, he could have threatened Joanna Yeates with an implement from the kitchen.. He could have raped her when she fell to the ground... He could have continued an assault on her at anytime up until he apparently placed her body in the car boot of, which he had over an hour to do this....

Yet he doesn't... Joanna Yeates is not raped....  So what evidence supports the idea that this was a sexually motivated crime other than media reports??

Because if it isn't a sexually motivated crime, as I believe it is not based on the evidence, what possible motive did Dr Vincent Tabak have to apparently go next door and kill his neighbour he had just meet for the first time that day??

Murder needs Motive... And this Case as it stands doesn't have any..... !! (imo)


https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/docs/october-2015/ebc003-eng.pdf
http://www.thelawpages.com/court-cases/Vincent-Tabak-7570-1.law

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1568 on: August 16, 2018, 02:49:23 PM »
I actually am genuinely confused by this. So when you say:

Is that actually something Tabak has written? Because in it he claims to have said "Not guilty" but I have never heard him claim to have pleaded not guilty. I'm so confused by your postings at the moment... more so than usual.

And when at trial did Dr Vincent Tabak say that he had pleaded guilty to Manslaughter?? When at trial did Dr vincent Tabak say that the Live Link from apparently Long Lartin prison was him??  When was it established that Dr Vincent Tabak had entered this plea??

What evidence do we have of this plea???

Video links are not the best... If anyone has ever used facetime or skype they must be aware how the connection drops, and information is Missed..  Where you may hear someone talking , yet the image has disappeared.... I experience this regularly when I talk to family via these ways....

So were is the concrete evidence that it was in fact Dr Vincent Tabak who said those words via Live Link??

Why use Live Link... Why have this particular plea and management hearing at the Old Bailey under U20110387  who's number is that?? That person who is attached to that number does NOT have to be Dr Vincent Tabak... He could have assumed the role....

We have the media telling us that Dr Vincent Tabak has plead guilty to manslaughter... I personally would have wanted to hear this from his defence team... And I would have wanted Dr Vincent Tabak to verify at trial that he had already admitted he plead guilty to manslaughter and on the grounds he did this...

But again... there is no confirmation of this... The jury were told this information... But when Dr Vincent Tabak took the stand that question wasn't put to him....  Clegg didn't explain to the jury that his client had admitted manslaughter and his case was to prove it was Manslaughter and Not Murder....

This case has been about Intent!!... So you have a tainted jury basically because they already believe the defendant guilty, they just have to decide how guilty he is....

Clegg did not introduce into trial any mitigating evidence... He introduced nothing....

So why should we accept that the story Dr Vincent Tabak admitted to Manslaughter was true and right?? Why should we accept without the recording of him admitting this introduced to trial... So that the jury could see it was indeed Dr Vincent Tabak whom had stated this ....

There should be a video recording of Dr Vincent Tabak's Manslaughter Plea... But is there??

Should any of us have ever know that Dr Vincent Tabak pled guilty to Manslaughter before trial... I do not think so!!

So what evidence is there that the man that appeared at The Old Bailey and admitted to Manslaughter was in fact Dr Vincent Tabak... And what proof do we have that this Live Link worked perfectly?? The video of this plea of guilt was never entered into evidence at trial....

Just because you hear hooves doesn't mean that it's a horse... It could quiet easy be that Zebra that no-one brought into the equation... The only way to eliminate the Zebra, is to prove it is indeed a horse....  Or else you are left with doubt... And it is reasonable doubt if we are in a field full of Zebra's and there isn't a horse in sight...



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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1569 on: August 16, 2018, 02:53:47 PM »
I actually am genuinely confused by this. So when you say:

Is that actually something Tabak has written? Because in it he claims to have said "Not guilty" but I have never heard him claim to have pleaded not guilty. I'm so confused by your postings at the moment... more so than usual.

Why are you confused by my posts Baz??

Edit.. Baz.. My apologises..... I am doing what everyone does, I am assuming your name is Barry and you are English speaking, or that English is your first language...  I am assuming that you are male... I am assuming you are of a certain age.... I do not know what nationality you are or anything....  I am assuming far too much

Would you please expand on the reasons you do not understand my posts  and why you want me to explain....

Nine  ?{)(**


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1570 on: August 16, 2018, 04:55:25 PM »
Why are you confused by my posts Baz??

Let me make it simple. Did Vincent Tabak write that request for a change in representation? When did he write it? Where did you find it?

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Edit.. Baz.. My apologises..... I am doing what everyone does, I am assuming your name is Barry and you are English speaking, or that English is your first language...  I am assuming that you are male... I am assuming you are of a certain age....

All of those assumptions are accurate.


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1571 on: August 16, 2018, 05:22:51 PM »
Let me make it simple. Did Vincent Tabak write that request for a change in representation? When did he write it? Where did you find it?

All of those assumptions are accurate.

But would you like to clarify... Because I am still left guessing what your age actually is...  What certain age am I assuming you are??

* Am I assuming that you are an adult?

* Am I assuming you are in your 20's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 30's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 40's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 50's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 60's ?

Am I assuming that you are referring to my assumptions in your response or are you referring to the assumptions of the questions posed??


Did Vincent Tabak write that request for a change in representation? When did he write it? Where did you find it?

There needs to be clarity between us Baz....  So I still do not know whether...

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Your name is Barry and you are English speaking, or that English is your first language...  I am assuming that you are male... I am assuming you are of a certain age.

I'll put it more simply Baz... please answer each numbered question seperately..

(1) : Are you male or female?

(2): Is English your first lanugage

(3): What nationality are you??

(4): Are you an adult, over 21 years old?

(5): Is Baz your real name? Or just a user name?

(6): Do you ever allow someone else to type your responses for you?

 You do not have to respond to the questions I pose.. but if we are to understand each other we need a basis on which to form our opinions... we need clarification.. Just as in the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak... Clarification was Missing... Basic information was Missing,...

If you chose to respond to the questions number each response please... If you don't know , please say so... If you are not at liberty to say leave blank...







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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1572 on: August 16, 2018, 05:42:05 PM »
But would you like to clarify... Because I am still left guessing what your age actually is...  What certain age am I assuming you are??

* Am I assuming that you are an adult?

* Am I assuming you are in your 20's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 30's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 40's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 50's ?

* Am I assuming you are in your 60's ?

Am I assuming that you are referring to my assumptions in your response or are you referring to the assumptions of the questions posed??


Did Vincent Tabak write that request for a change in representation? When did he write it? Where did you find it?

There needs to be clarity between us Baz....  So I still do not know whether...

I'll put it more simply Baz... please answer each numbered question seperately..

(1) : Are you male or female?

(2): Is English your first lanugage

(3): What nationality are you??

(4): Are you an adult, over 21 years old?

(5): Is Baz your real name? Or just a user name?

(6): Do you ever allow someone else to type your responses for you?

 You do not have to respond to the questions I pose.. but if we are to understand each other we need a basis on which to form our opinions... we need clarification.. Just as in the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak... Clarification was Missing... Basic information was Missing,...

If you chose to respond to the questions number each response please... If you don't know , please say so... If you are not at liberty to say leave blank...

I’m now doing this on a phone so apologies if my formatting goes off the rails:
1) I am male. A cis male if you want me to be more specific.
2) English is my first and sadly only language. I did learn some German, French and Latin at school if you want more specifics.
3) I am British. English if you want to know more.
4) I am an adult over 21. In my thirties to be more precise.
5) Barry is my real name but everyone except my parents call me Baz. So it is both my name and my username.
6) No. I have no response typing flunkies. I have to do it all myself.

Is there anything else you’d like to know that has nothing to do with this? Income? Sexual orientation? Biggest fears?
Just in case you do, the answers are... not much, whoever is willing and snakes (and anything that looks like a snake out of the corner of my eye!!)

I have no idea what this has to do with whether Tabak wrote that thing you said he did or not. I suspect your unwillingness to answer this very simple question answers the question anyway. So will you actually answer now?

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1573 on: August 16, 2018, 06:05:13 PM »
I’m now doing this on a phone so apologies if my formatting goes off the rails:
1) I am male. A cis male if you want me to be more specific.
2) English is my first and sadly only language. I did learn some German, French and Latin at school if you want more specifics.
3) I am British. English if you want to know more.
4) I am an adult over 21. In my thirties to be more precise.
5) Barry is my real name but everyone except my parents call me Baz. So it is both my name and my username.
6) No. I have no response typing flunkies. I have to do it all myself.

Is there anything else you’d like to know that has nothing to do with this? Income? Sexual orientation? Biggest fears?
Just in case you do, the answers are... not much, whoever is willing and snakes (and anything that looks like a snake out of the corner of my eye!!)

I have no idea what this has to do with whether Tabak wrote that thing you said he did or not. I suspect your unwillingness to answer this very simple question answers the question anyway. So will you actually answer now?

Thank you Baz for being so helpful....  I do not need to know your Income, your sexual orientation or your biggest fears as it is not relevant to me knowing if you understand what I may write, or how you may interpret what i may write... 

(1): You may be a highly educated man...
      I do not know

(2); you may be a journalist
       I do not know

But those two questions make a difference, and  will aid in determining what information you may feel you do not understand...

(3): You may be a person whom takes everything literally
       I do not know

(4):  I do not know if you understand humour

(5):  I do not know if you are dyslexic

(6):  I do not know what part of the country you come from

Peoples grasp and understanding of certain information could literally depend on their interpretation... As different as North and South and as different as a Horse or a Zebra... everything depends on interpretation... and at trial evidence... So the evidence that is presented at a trial has to be backed up... The statements that have been made need to be backed up... The images that are shown need proof of origin...

I must admit Baz... I have no education to speak of, which is obvious to everyone.. I have no official qualifications whatsoever... Which should make the questions I ask even more worrying, because If I can see this case is flim flam... everyone else who knows about the law should KNOW that it's flim flam...

And I come back to the same question again.... "Why does no-one speak of this case??"...


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1574 on: August 16, 2018, 06:36:41 PM »
Baz...

If as I have tried to explain in my strange way that anyone can fill in forms electronically online, and information was collected electronically by Avon and Somerset Police online on their dedicated site, which no longer exists.. How do we know which person made said statements, if they were not followed up??

I am taking you at your word that you are the person you say you are, that is for arguments sake... But I don't know that the information you have given me would stand up in a court of law, unless I see you I do not know you are male, I do not know your age either... But for a forum it is ok, that i do not know this as fact....

But for a trial... I want the fact established and backed up.... And that is what is supposed to happen, clearly in the case of Dr Vincent Tabak it didn't...

i'll give you an example... Joanna Yeates is for all intense and purposes is a hetrosexual female... Her mother and father talk in documentaries about Greg being her boyfriend and how she had always remained friends with her ex- boyfriends.... (But is he her boyfriend in a literal sense?)

The trial did not establish anything we didn't really already know.... The Police never established whether or not Joanna Yeates was hetro-sexual or Bi- Sexual or Lesbian... Whether or not she had a normal sexual relationship with her partner... Whether her religious convictions prevented pre- marital sex...

Each aspect can change the Investigation into whom may have wanted Joanna Yeates dead... And whether or not it was intentional or accidental... Being called a professional lady by DS Mark Saunders early on in this investigation could have eluded to something else completely.. But because everything else was chucked in for good measure, that idea was soon spent...

Let me take DS Mark Saunders literally...  And she was 'A" professional lady... then that idea of a sexual act gone wrong could resinate for the defence. And the complexion of the idea that it was sexually motivated would change, as evidence supported the idea... And the intention of an act would be different..

But no history of Joanna Yeates was given at trial.. So I am assuming that they never collected evidence of any history of Joanna yeates....

Ann Reddrop said something odd outside Bristol Crown Court... "She said something along the lines of And tried to cast Jo in an unfavourable light....

At trial Dr Vincent Tabak did nothing to cast any doubt on Joanna Yeates in anyway he did not portray her in any infavourable light.... But things were reported in the media and things were said on forum, twitter etc....  So who is Dr Vincent Tabak?? A Journalist?? A Member of the public.. Joe Blogs??

Was it the public on trial or the media??

What was real in this case and what wasn't??  We do not know... Just like I do not know the information you kindly shared with me is accurate and true... I for purposes of this response to your post am taking you on face value..