The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Holly Goodhead]

Surely it brings into question 'supporters' case knowledge? 

I've posted loads of times the report was produced before JM's testimony, the silencer and hand swabs.  There may be other things too but these are aspects that readily spring to mind.   

The report probably states things like all doors and windows secured from within and senior officers were satisfied with murder/suicide. 

Anything incriminating will have been destroyed along with physical exhibits. 

[adam]

I wonder if David's medication is to curtail hallucinations:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9397.msg437919.html#msg437919

"No problem Mike. 

I take medications myself. But I stay away from Alcohol.

Whenever I need a boost I watch and listen to motivational videos like this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW3eatIipjg

Gets me really pumped up"

This might explain his FEB and thinking he can see a difference in LM/RM between June and SC along with defence wounds to adult victims and bloodstains to SC's feet all of which went unnoticed by police and pathologists.

David obviously is not part of Bamber's inner circle.

Trudie hasn't posted on the Blue forum since April 2012. Upon the instructions of Jeremy. Everyone within the CT must keep their distance from there.

Although Trudie did have a peek in Blue this month.

[Nicholas]

Surely it brings into question 'supporters' case knowledge? 

I've posted loads of times the report was produced before JM's testimony, the silencer and hand swabs.  There may be other things too but these are aspects that readily spring to mind.   

The report probably states things like all doors and windows secured from within and senior officers were satisfied with murder/suicide. 

Anything incriminating will have been destroyed along with physical exhibits.

It brings into question Jeremy Bamber's guilt. That is all

[Nicholas]

Thanks Steph!

When the bear no longer sh*ts in the woods and the Pope converts to Jediism - maybe then, but only 'maybe' 

 

[Holly Goodhead]

It brings into question Jeremy Bamber's guilt. That is all

How does a report by senior officers saying a review points to SC bring into question JB's guilt?

[Nicholas]

How does a report by senior officers saying a review points to SC bring into question JB's guilt?

Hey?

[Nicholas]

Most will recall a spokesperson was appointed for the McCanns shortly after MM's disappearance.  The spokesperson, Clarence Mitchell, was at one time a BBC journalist. 

The advanatage of a professional spokesperson is that they can ensure the right messages are getting out into the public domain.  It's not perfect but it's a huge help.

In JB's case pre and post trial the media had a field day.  Whether you believe JB guilty or innocent how the hell does a 24 year old farmer deal with the media who simply want to sell maximum papers with minimum input? 

Post trial the defence lawyers hung around long enough to see through the first failed appeal based on what it considered to be an unfair summing up by the trial judge.  Thereafter the case has gone from pillar to post with all sorts of characters involved.  Most well intentioned and honest.  Some dishonest.  And others incompetent.

- A variety of lawyers most of whom have been incompetent and negligent on a breathtaking scale

- Mike Tesko who once acted as JB's McKenzie friend:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKenzie_friend

- Convicted fraudster and bogus lawyer Giovanni Di Stefano

- Andrew Hunter former Tory MP

- CT/Trudi Benjamin with the disastrous 'Bake-Off' and graveside reading

- To coin a phrase from puglove 'the bird off her tits on sherry' 

With no continuity over case management and all manner of people involved with the media is it surprising JB's case is a complete mess?!

Have you never stopped to consider Jeremy Bamber is the reason why everything he's ever done has failed?

Why blame everyone else?

Apparently Andrew Hunter suffered a stroke in 2014 http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/11258639.Former_Basingstoke_MP_Andrew_Hunter_suffers_a_stroke/

[Nicholas]

Minority groups?  Is that mass murders, psychopaths or whole life tariff inmates? (Incidentally, this err 'minority group' has earned two more members!).

His account of his psychological assessment history is also misleading and he knows that! Why the need to mislead?

"Almost 100 killers, rapists and paedophiles who were given life sentences by judges have been released - only to be jailed for life again.
In the last decade, 95 criminals have been let out on parole but have gone on to commit horrific crimes which have resulted in another life sentence.
The shocking figures include 13 violent criminals who were locked up for a second time in 2015.
It means innocent victims have been killed, raped and abused by convicted criminals that the parole board considered were safe to re-enter society


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3614946/Freed-kill-Nearly-100-killers-rapists-paedophiles-life-sentences-released-jailed-life-AGAIN.html#ixzz5Dyz5CMAa


It must then follow that all those life sentence criminals who were deemed low risk and released back into society also conned their way through their prison assessments before being released and offending again

How many people in total (forensic psychologists, members of the parole board, probation officers, mental health workers, etc) would have been conned by these dangerous and disordered individuals and why are they never held to account for their wrong doings?

A scandal indeed!

[Nicholas]

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[Nicholas]

I see Maggie has posted in reply to Steve_uk

Posts: 13393
Re: Do Anti-Bamber Posters Have Secret Motives?
« Reply #16 on: Today at 01:38 PM »
Quote from: Steve_uk on Yesterday at 11:18 PM
Well we all agree on something.

"Of course we do. Colin was a victim  as much as anyone. He showed tremendous courage and fortitude. One reason why I am so shocked that JM stayed a weekend in his flat with JB supposedly supporting him when she later claimed she  had known Jenemy was the killer.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9373.msg437322.html#msg437322

Probably for the same reason why I organised Hall's funeral. Maggie again shows her complete and utter lack of comprehension or understanding with regards what men like this do to their victims and the cognitive dissonance sufferered following such an experience. 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ce7TO3aMgNs

Maggie suffers from a selective memory imo

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7980.msg379294.html#msg379294
"Hi Adam,
I do believe a cold blooded murderer has to have some kind of personality disorder, many have been abused as children themselves.  It's often a 'chicken and egg' situation i.e.. nature or nurture and very difficult to sit in judgement imo. 
To me the main action is to keep the rest of society safe from such damaged and dangerous individuals so I am up to a point in agreement with Steve's suggestion of a safe island for such people.


The question here is why is Maggie focusing on JM's supposed wrong doings? The term "flying monkies" springs to mind.


7. Cognitive Dissonance
This one involves look within. When a psychopath enters your life, you’ll notice an intense and ever-increasing sense of dread and self-doubt. Your brain will struggle to reconcile the “perfect” person from the beginning, with the inappropriate behavior you’re starting to see more regularly. That’s because that perfect person never actually existed. It was a persona, created just for you. This is the hardest thing for our minds and hearts to understand.
With a psychopath, you’re always the bad one. Even though they lie, cheat, manipulate, steal, and con—you’re the one with the problem. Psychopaths have this innate ability to make you feel like there’s something wrong with you for recognizing that there’s something off about them.https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/top-7-ways-to-spot-a-sociopath-psychopath-or-narcissist.342/

5. Covert Backstabbing and Betrayal
Psychopaths devalue and replace others at the drop of a hat. Although you probably experienced an instant connection of trust and excitement with them, you’ll come to realize they can forge that bond with anyone. After once declaring you better than all the “crazy” people in their life, they’ll go running back to those very same people and declare you crazy. Psychopaths have no loyalty, no attachment, and no love. They leave behind a trail of destruction, and they blame their victims for it every time.

6. Turning People Against Each Other
When a psychopath enters the picture, you’ll find yourself disliking people you’ve never even met. Psychopaths are constantly whispering poison and gossip into everyone’s ears, making each person feel jealous and suspicious of the others. But they do so under a guise of innocence, using pity stories and pseudo-concern to warp your perception. Psychopaths want people distracted and in constant competition for their attention, so they seem in high-demand at all times.


Julie Mugford was GROOMED by Jeremy Bamber http://outofthefog.website/top-100-trait-blog/2015/11/4/grooming Grooming is the predatory act of maneuvering another individual into a position that makes them more isolated, dependent, likely to trust, and more vulnerable to abusive behavior

And Maggie yet again displays her hypocrisy. "It's often a 'chicken and egg' situation i.e.. nature or nurture and very difficult to sit in judgement imo. 

She now chooses to not sit in judgement of Bamber but has no problem whatsoever judging JM! Yet again, pathetic and indeed shameful and clearly lacking insight.

She flits between the two and is now an apparant fence sitter? This is what she states today:

"As I said unless you were there you don't know what went on. You can imagine as many scenarios as you want but they are always only your opinion you cannot know what the order of events was  If Sheila was in a psychotic rage the situation would be totally different than if she was just a bit angry.  I openly admit I don't know who was responsible for the deaths.  I have my own thoughts but accept they are my opinions and not truths.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9381.msg437407.html#msg437407

My opinion, Maggie isn't being honest. She appears unable to be honest through fear of upsetting certain members of the blue forum. Her position as a forum moderator appears to bring her some kind of control. She has a tendency for favouritism and seems to turn on any member who doesn't support Bamber and becomes irrational towards anyone who draws to her attention the error of her ways. Bottom line, she appears unable to admit when she is in the wrong.

Maggie is at it again I see:
"She 'lied' by pretending JB was innocent, staying with him at Colin's flat after the deaths.  If she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty at that time which aparrently she did then she was highly devious and lied by her actions. How can you not find her action appalling?  Colin had lost his two beloved boys, JB and JM go to stay with him no doubt supposedly to support and comfort him. If JB is guilty JM knowingly chose to play along with Bamber and deceive Colin. in my book that's living a lie and Amaral. 
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9408.msg438255.html#msg438255

[Nicholas]

Maggie is at it again I see:
"She 'lied' by pretending JB was innocent, staying with him at Colin's flat after the deaths.  If she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty at that time which aparrently she did then she was highly devious and lied by her actions. How can you not find her action appalling?  Colin had lost his two beloved boys, JB and JM go to stay with him no doubt supposedly to support and comfort him. If JB is guilty JM knowingly chose to play along with Bamber and deceive Colin. in my book that's living a lie and Amaral. 
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9408.msg438255.html#msg438255

And of course she opposes Amber Rudd, who resigned having held her hands up to her mistakes.


Published 8 March 2018
From: Home Office and Ministry of Justice

Home Secretary Amber Rudd said:
"It is appalling that in twenty-first century Britain, nearly 2 million people every year – the majority of them women – suffer abuse at the hands of those closest to them.
Through this Bill I want to fundamentally change the way we as a country think about domestic abuse, recognising that it is a crime that comes in many forms – physical, emotional, economic. This is about creating a society that protects individuals and families at the earliest opportunity, before such abuse has a chance to escalate.
This is a once in a generation opportunity to transform our entire approach to this terrible crime. I call on everyone, but especially those who have suffered abuse in any form, to speak out and help shape the way we approach this crime for years to come. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-action-to-tackle-domestic-abuse

[Nicholas]

Maggie is at it again I see:
"She 'lied' by pretending JB was innocent, staying with him at Colin's flat after the deaths.  If she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty at that time which aparrently she did then she was highly devious and lied by her actions. How can you not find her action appalling?  Colin had lost his two beloved boys, JB and JM go to stay with him no doubt supposedly to support and comfort him. If JB is guilty JM knowingly chose to play along with Bamber and deceive Colin. in my book that's living a lie and Amaral. 
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9408.msg438255.html#msg438255

"Men use a range of techniques to achieve coercive control. One of the most valuable
and commonly used techniques is the disguise. This means that men will behave and
present one way when abusing the woman in private (a terroriser), and very differently
when in public, at work or socialising (a charmer). This ability to put on a disguise not
only prevents people detecting his abuse but also acts to confuse and isolate the woman
further. She thinks, ‘maybe there’s something wrong with me because he’s acting so
nice with them.’ In fact in social situations he is cleverly able to act both as a respectable
member of society while sending secret intimidating signals to the woman that only
she will understand.
https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/From_violence_to_coercive_control_Fisher_2011.pdf

"This is exactly how I perceive Jeremy Bamber.
Statistics suggests an abuser is 60-80% more likely to use coercive control over a partner as opposed to physical assault which is 20 - 40% more likely
So whilst it has been suggested Jeremy Bamber hasn't presented with examples of physical violence, which I disagree with, he has displayed high levels of coercive control.
Many people have questioned why Julie Mugford stayed with Jeremy Bamber for as long as she did and why she didn't go to the police sooner. The answers to these questions are complex but again can be explained in terms of the coercive control she had been subjected to by Bamber, much of which would have been invisible to outsiders looking in.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8069.0.html

[Nicholas]

Maggie is at it again I see:
"She 'lied' by pretending JB was innocent, staying with him at Colin's flat after the deaths.  If she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty at that time which aparrently she did then she was highly devious and lied by her actions. How can you not find her action appalling?  Colin had lost his two beloved boys, JB and JM go to stay with him no doubt supposedly to support and comfort him. If JB is guilty JM knowingly chose to play along with Bamber and deceive Colin. in my book that's living a lie and Amaral. 
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9408.msg438255.html#msg438255

Coercive control is a crime which Maggie appears oblivious to as indeed do the Jeremy Bamber campaign team
http://rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/violence-against-women-and-international-law/coercive-control-and-the-law/#What%20is%20coercive%20control?


"What researchers, practitioners, and policymakers in much of the world now appreciate is that the significance of physical and sexual violence in male partner abuse derives from their role as part of an ongoing and multi-faceted strategy to subordinate women. This strategy is designed to deprive women of their autonomy, dignity, and their basic rights and resources; extends over time and through social space via various forms of surveillance, harassment, and stalking; and encompasses a range of tactics that hurt women, make them afraid, isolate them, and subject them to what the Council of Europe has called “arbitrary violations of liberty.”

See more at: http://blog.oup.com/2016/04/from-domestic-violence-to-coercive-control/#sthash.U7YhpMb4.dpuf

Though this excerpt doesn't make it clear, these strategies can also apply to women who have been psychological abused.  http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8069.msg381803.html#msg381803

[Nicholas]

Maggie is at it again I see:
"She 'lied' by pretending JB was innocent, staying with him at Colin's flat after the deaths.  If she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty at that time which aparrently she did then she was highly devious and lied by her actions. How can you not find her action appalling?  Colin had lost his two beloved boys, JB and JM go to stay with him no doubt supposedly to support and comfort him. If JB is guilty JM knowingly chose to play along with Bamber and deceive Colin. in my book that's living a lie and Amaral. 
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9408.msg438255.html#msg438255

Maggie, and others, who choose to continuinely publicly abuse Julie Mugford, are ultimately accomplices of Jeremy Bamber's and his quite apparent pattern of coercive controlling behaviour towards JM.

It should be reminded that Jeremy Bamber is serving a full life sentence for mass murder. Julie Mugford is not!

Whilst Maggie bleats on about others treating people like "second class citizens" she has no problem treating Julie Mugford, and others, in this manner. Pot and kettle spring to mind. 

She states: "it's so disgusting to treat people this way as though they were second class citizens.   

This: "The wholend thing is disgusting.  Saying 'sorry' is not enough these are human tragedies. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9410.msg438281.html#msg438281

And this: "If Julie knew JB was the murderer and stayed at Colin"s flat commiserating with him about the death of his boys then she should not be mentioned in the dame breath either.  I cannot see how anyone can excuse such behavour. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9408.msg438220.html#msg438220

[Nicholas]

Maggie, and others, who choose to continuinely publicly abuse Julie Mugford, are ultimately accomplices of Jeremy Bamber's and his quite apparent pattern of coercive controlling behaviour towards JM.

It should be reminded that Jeremy Bamber is serving a full life sentence for mass murder. Julie Mugford is not!

Whilst Maggie bleats on about others treating people like "second class citizens" she has no problem treating Julie Mugford, and others, in this manner. Pot and kettle spring to mind. 

She states: "it's so disgusting to treat people this way as though they were second class citizens.   

This: "The wholend thing is disgusting.  Saying 'sorry' is not enough these are human tragedies. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9410.msg438281.html#msg438281

And this: "If Julie knew JB was the murderer and stayed at Colin"s flat commiserating with him about the death of his boys then she should not be mentioned in the dame breath either.  I cannot see how anyone can excuse such behavour. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9408.msg438220.html#msg438220

Julie Mugford was another victim of Jeremy Bamber's.

I would however like Maggie to explain by what she thinks JM knew? Based on a previous post, she claims none of us know anything because we weren't there when the murders occurred?

Her changing of the goal posts to suit her agenda at any given time are telling..