The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Caroline]

I would imagine the SB is worth a few quid but wouldn't like to guess.

Yes, there is probably a big difference between the principle of the cab rank rule and how it works in practice but generally, lawyers aren't remembered for the cases they lost anyway. Mark Newby will be but a footnote in the lastest failed attempt at appeal but will be a hero in the MOJ movement for even taking it on, drumming up plenty of business in the process.

Well, lets face it, we're talking about him and had he not been Bambers latest - we'd never have heard of him.

[Nicholas]

There are a lot of statements missing, probably some bias going on but to be fair, we wouldn't have what we have is Mike didn't post them - like him or loathe him.

It’s not about ‘like him or loathe him’ Caroline it’s about the way he and Bamber at one time directed the narrative of how his case was presented in the public domain

Why the use of ‘certain documents’ ?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=211.0

When were the case files placed in the public domain do you remember?

There are differing views on the actions of Mike T placing certain documents into the public domain - didn’t CC mention about having to speak with his daughter about what happened because of her surname & his fears of her finding crime scene photos on the internet ?

[Caroline]

It’s not about ‘like him or loathe him’ Caroline it’s about the way he and Bamber at one time directed the narrative of how his case was presented in the public domain

Why the use of ‘certain documents’ ?
It's sad that
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=211.0

I have no reason to stick up for Mike and never would but it's up to people to see beyond the bias and not believe everything he says. Clearly the use of 'certain documents' is to portray a particular view - if people are willing to follow that view like sheep, frankly - that's their problem. It's unfortunate that a big part of the picture is missing which leads people to speculate but at least there are enough of us that who don't follow Mike's crumb trail and realise it's leading away from the truth.

[Nicholas]

I have no reason to stick up for Mike and never would but it's up to people to see beyond the bias and not believe everything he says. Clearly the use of 'certain documents' is to portray a particular view - if people are willing to follow that view like sheep, frankly - that's their problem. It's unfortunate that a big part of the picture is missing which leads people to speculate but at least there are enough of us that who don't follow Mike's crumb trail and realise it's leading away from the truth.

Thanks for that but I’m not at all interested in Mike T

I’m interested in finding out when Bamber met the Greave sisters and what their statements said and why they appear to have been kept hidden from the public

[Nicholas]

There are a lot of statements missing, probably some bias going on but to be fair, we wouldn't have what we have is Mike didn't post them - like him or loathe him.

The Greave sisters statements can’t be missing if CAL has quoted from them

They appear to have been held back from the blue forum as opposed to missing is what I mean Caroline.

“”Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.””
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

And I’m certain this news article was posted on one of the forums at one time

[Caroline]

The Greave sisters statements can’t be missing if CAL has quoted from them

And I’m certain this news article was posted on one of the forums at one time

They won't be missing, CAL obviously obtained her own copies. If Mike has them then he must have chosen not to post them.

[Nicholas]

I have no reason to stick up for Mike and never would but it's up to people to see beyond the bias and not believe everything he says. Clearly the use of 'certain documents' is to portray a particular view - if people are willing to follow that view like sheep, frankly - that's their problem. It's unfortunate that a big part of the picture is missing which leads people to speculate but at least there are enough of us that who don't follow Mike's crumb trail and realise it's leading away from the truth.

I was referring to Bamber’s ‘crumb trials’ not Mikes

On the whole the CT’s narrative and understanding of the case has come from Bamber

Whilst he’s kept the CT and his supporters busy focusing on JM, the other women stories haven’t been seen for what they were/are and for how they change JM’s position at that time

For example, JM sold her story following the guilty verdict but so it appears did Anji Greaves

They were both sat in hotel rooms with journalists it seems but nothing appears to have been mentioned about this fact

How much was Anji Greaves paid?

The other woman he was going to date dodged a bullet, eh?!  Bet she can’t believe her luck.

Anji or Virginia Greave could have been in JM’s position having to give evidence in court and I suspect both of them know much more than they’ve ever let on.

[Nicholas]

They won't be missing, CAL obviously obtained her own copies. If Mike has them then he must have chosen not to post them.

Why though. Why didn’t Mike post them?

Did he think their contents was irrelevant to the back story?

Did he think they painted Bamber in a poor light?

Why didn’t Bamber or his legal team choose to use the Greave sisters as witnesses at his trial?

Maybe Mike will have a hunt through his files and share their content?

[APRIL]

Why though. Why didn’t Mike post them?

Did he think their contents was irrelevant to the back story?

Did he think they painted Bamber in a poor light?

Why didn’t Bamber or his legal team choose to use the Greave sisters as witnesses at his trial?

Maybe Mike will have a hunt through his files and share their content?

The first answer which comes to mind, is that if one wishes to show someone in a good light, one wouldn't produce anything which hinted at them being anything other.

[Caroline]

I was referring to Bamber’s ‘crumb trials’ not Mikes

On the whole the CT’s narrative and understanding of the case has come from Bamber

Whilst he’s kept the CT and his supporters busy focusing on JM, the other women stories haven’t been seen for what they were/are and for how they change JM’s position at that time

For example, JM sold her story following the guilty verdict but so it appears did Anji Greaves

They were both sat in hotel rooms with journalists it seems but nothing appears to have been mentioned about this fact

How much was Anji Greaves paid?

Anji or Virginia Greave could have been in JM’s position having to give evidence in court and I suspect both of them know much more than they’ve ever let on.

The difference is that Julie was a witness and although I don't agree that her being paid for the article makes any difference to the case, I can see why people might. However, her agreeing to do the article came long after she had already made her statement and so her testimony wasn't influenced by the payment she got for it.

[John]

The difference is that Julie was a witness and although I don't agree that her being paid for the article makes any difference to the case, I can see why people might. However, her agreeing to do the article came long after she had already made her statement and so her testimony wasn't influenced by the payment she got for it.

Wasn't Julie initially reluctant about speaking to the Press at all and only did so eventually on her lawyers advice to get them off her back?

[Caroline]

Wasn't Julie initially reluctant about speaking to the Press at all and only did so eventually on her lawyers advice to get them off her back?

That's correct, she was hounded by all of the tabloids and was advised to pick one so the other would back off.

[Nicholas]

The difference is that Julie was a witness and although I don't agree that her being paid for the article makes any difference to the case, I can see why people might. However, her agreeing to do the article came long after she had already made her statement and so her testimony wasn't influenced by the payment she got for it.

She was but it’s still possible Anji and Virginia Greaves knew much more than they ever let on

Am guessing they were both discarded

[Nicholas]

It's the time-frame I'm questioning. He's still -just about- with Julie, but by the time of his arrest, following a holiday with Brett, he's managed to bag himself a pair of sisters, one of whom seemed to think they had an ongoing relationship.

Is this when he’s met the sisters April - between his holiday with Brett & his arrest?

I’ve never seen Bamber deny these ‘relationships’

What’s he told the CT and his supporters ?

This is what he appears to have written to CAL

“Jeremy states that after he was led down to his cell for the night , DCI Taff Jones paid him a visit:

He looked at me and he said: “We’re letting you out.’ I went, ‘Great.’ He said , “That Julie’s full of shit.’ Those were his words: ‘That Julie’s full of shit. And off I went. In my own mind I knew she was angry about things. And I actually thought I would be able to go and see her and say to her: ‘What’s that all about? I’m sorry. I didn’t realise my behaviour would so upset you that you’d be [prepared] to lie.” And I genuinely thought I was going to go and see her, after getting out of the police station. She was put in police protective custody from then on.”
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee’s book ~ ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

Are there other witnesses to the above alleged comments made by DCI Taff Jones by the way?

[Nicholas]

“Jeremy states that after he was led down to his cell for the night , DCI Taff Jones paid him a visit:

He looked at me and he said: “We’re letting you out.’ I went, ‘Great.’ He said , “That Julie’s full of shit.’ Those were his words: ‘That Julie’s full of shit. And off I went. In my own mind I knew she was angry about things. And I actually thought I would be able to go and see her and say to her: ‘What’s that all about? I’m sorry. I didn’t realise my behaviour would so upset you that you’d be [prepared] to lie.” And I genuinely thought I was going to go and see her, after getting out of the police station. She was put in police protective custody from then on.”
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee’s book ~ ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

But wouldn’t he have gone and seen Anji Greaves