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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1125 on: April 26, 2020, 12:21:35 PM »
Conversely, if I was guilty and attempting innocence fraud, wouldn't it be kinder to persuade me not to waste mine and everybody's time?

A speech of interest by The Rt Hon Lord Reed

“Lies, damned lies: Abuse of process and the dishonest litigant1” (26 October 2012)
https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/speech-121026.pdf

& a brief bio

Lord Reed
Robert John Reed, Lord Reed of Allemuir took up appointment as President of The Supreme Court on 13 January 2020, suceeding Lady Hale of Richmond. Upon this appointment, Lord Reed became a life peer.
Prior to his appointment as President, Lord Reed previously served as Deputy President of The Supreme Court from 7 June 2018 and was originally appointed as a Justice on 6 February 2012.
He studied law at Edinburgh University and undertook doctoral research in law at the University of Oxford. He qualified as an advocate in Scotland and as a barrister in England. He practised at the Scottish Bar in a wide range of civil cases, and also prosecuted serious crime.
He served as a senior judge in Scotland for 13 years. From 2008 to 2012 a member of the Inner House of the Court of Session, and from 1998 to 2008 a member of the Outer House of the Court of Session, where he was the Principal Commercial Judge.
As well as sitting on the Supreme Court and the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, he is also a member of the panel of ad hoc judges of the European Court of Human Rights, and is a Non-Permanent Judge of the Court of Final Appeal in Hong Kong. He is also the Visitor of Balliol College, Oxford.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/about/biographies-of-the-justices.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1126 on: April 26, 2020, 12:31:38 PM »
If it was Virginia why has Anji suggested otherwise ?

Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.”
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

As I’ve said before, am sure this article was posted on another forum - maybe it was the one a former Bamber supporter had taken down?

If anyone finds it in an archive would be worthwhile posting - it’s content will be telling

Wonder if Mark Newby has copies of all the old news articles featuring Bamber?
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Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1127 on: April 26, 2020, 12:44:09 PM »
Do you see Mark Newby being struck off - is that what you are saying ?

No, I meant the trial lawyers. Bamber was accused of staging the scene so to bring up movement of her body post mortem which could have been attributed to either him or bungling police would have been highly irresponsible for defence to put before a jury. Likewise, the mirrored bloodstains in the bible.

A barrister should never ask a question if they don't know what the answer will be and definitely not ask a question when the answer will be damaging to their clients case!

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1128 on: April 26, 2020, 12:55:35 PM »
JB Campaign LTD
@jbcampaignltd
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The prosecution of #LiamAllan on rape charges was only dropped after the police belatedly disclosed undermining evidence. This begs the question: When will Essex police disclose allegedly withheld evidence in the case of #JeremyBamber? - Peter Tatchell

https://mobile.twitter.com/jbcampaignltd/status/1254101288016642048


JB Campaign LTD
@jbcampaignltd
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Essex Police are withholding:

- audio recordings
- forensic reports
- photographs
- statements
- DS Kenneally's report: evidence showed Sheila responsible for murdering her family & committing suicide

#JeremyBamber #WhiteHouseFarm

11,093 signatures!

https://mobile.twitter.com/jbcampaignltd/status/1254103566081458179


Bamber and his campaign team are withholding a substantial amount of information from the public domain - especially related to Bamber’s abuse of JM
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1129 on: April 26, 2020, 01:01:52 PM »
JB Campaign LTD Retweeted
Jeremy Bamber
@Bambertweets
18h
Have you ever wondered who tends the graves of #JeremyBamber's parents?

It's not Jeremy's relatives bringing flowers and tending to the graves. It's Jeremy's friends.

https://jeremy-bamber.co.uk/graves-of-jeremy-s-family… #WhiteHouseFarm

https://mobile.twitter.com/Bambertweets/status/1254096559513403399

 *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1130 on: April 26, 2020, 01:08:08 PM »
Bamber and his campaign team are withholding a substantial amount of information from the public domain - especially related to Bamber’s abuse of JM

Domestic Violence and Abuse
When people think of domestic abuse, they often focus on domestic violence. But domestic abuse includes any attempt by one person in an intimate relationship or marriage to dominate and control the other. Domestic violence and abuse are used for one purpose and one purpose only: to gain and maintain total control over you. An abuser doesn’t “play fair.” An abuser uses fear, guilt, shame, and intimidation to wear you down and keep you under their thumb.
https://www.helpguide.org/articles/abuse/domestic-violence-and-abuse.htm

21 Warning Signs of an Emotionally Abusive Relationship
”You may find yourself feeling confused about the relationship, off balance or like you are “walking on eggshells” all the time. This is the kind of abuse that often sneaks up on you as you become more entrenched in the relationship. I am talking here about psychological abuse, which is also known as mental or emotional abuse.

Psychological abuse occurs when a person in the relationship tries to control information available to another person with intent to manipulate that person’s sense of reality or their view of what is acceptable and unacceptable. Psychological abuse often contains strong emotionally manipulative content and threats designed to force the victim to comply with the abuser’s wishes

https://psychcentral.com/blog/21-warning-signs-of-an-emotionally-abusive-relationship/


Without doubt this is what Bamber was doing to JM and more than likely why she didn’t go to the police sooner
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1131 on: April 26, 2020, 01:14:40 PM »
21 Warning Signs of an Emotionally Abusive Relationship
”You may find yourself feeling confused about the relationship, off balance or like you are “walking on eggshells” all the time. This is the kind of abuse that often sneaks up on you as you become more entrenched in the relationship. I am talking here about psychological abuse, which is also known as mental or emotional abuse.

Psychological abuse occurs when a person in the relationship tries to control information available to another person with intent to manipulate that person’s sense of reality or their view of what is acceptable and unacceptable. Psychological abuse often contains strong emotionally manipulative content and threats designed to force the victim to comply with the abuser’s wishes

https://psychcentral.com/blog/21-warning-signs-of-an-emotionally-abusive-relationship/


Without doubt this is what Bamber was doing to JM and more than likely why she didn’t go to the police sooner

A more sophisticated form of psychological abuse is often referred to as “gaslighting.” This happens when false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity. Examples may range simply from the abuser denying that previous abusive incidents ever occurred to staging bizarre events with the intention of confusing the victim.

A common form of emotional abuse is “I love you, but…” That may sound nice at first, yet it is both a disguised criticism and a threat. It indicates, “I love you now, but if you don’t stop this or that, my love will be taken away.” It is a constant jab that slowly strips away your self-esteem. Abusers get a lot of reinforcement out of using the word “love” as it seems to become a magic word to control you.

Psychological abuse can look like:

1. Humiliating or embarrassing you.
2. Constant put-downs.
3. Hypercriticism.
4. Refusing to communicate.
5. Ignoring or excluding you.
6. Extramarital affairs.
7. Provocative behavior with opposite sex.
8. Use of sarcasm and unpleasant tone of voice.
9. Unreasonable jealousy.
10. Extreme moodiness.
11. Mean jokes or constantly making fun of you.
12. Saying “I love you but…”
13. Saying things like “If you don’t _____, I will_____.”
14. Domination and control.
15. Withdrawal of affection.
16. Guilt trips.
17. Making everything your fault.
18. Isolating you from friends and family.
19. Using money to control.
20. Constant calling or texting when you are not with him/her.
21. Threatening to commit suicide if you leave.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1132 on: April 26, 2020, 02:34:06 PM »
Will Bamber’s supporters back these claims?

Rhona Friedman was introduced to the case by the late investigative journalist Bob Woffinden who was convinced of the couple’s innocence. The journalist co-wrote a book on the case Bad Show: the Quiz, the Cough and the Millionaire Major which inspired a stage-play.

Theatregoers were given the opportunity to take the place of the jury via electronic voting. Overwhelmingly audiences found in favour of the couple; although not Chris Tarrant who, although he told the court he had no suspicions on the night, only last weekend wrote a piece for the Daily Mail saying Ingram was guilty. It is not known how the trial judge, Judge Geoffrey Rivlin QC, who also saw the production, voted.

“At the trial at Southwark Crown Court in 2003, Rivlin told the jury that when Ingram was ‘either a genuine millionaire or a fraudster’. After deliberating for nearly 14 hours, they opted for the latter and the Ingrams received an 18 month prison sentence suspended for two years and Whittock received 12 months.

https://www.thejusticegap.com/appeal-planned-in-coughing-major-case/

Latest by David Rose for Daily Mail with the header

’We have new evidence that can prove our innocence: Who Wants To Be A Millionaire 'Coughing Major' Charles Ingram believes analysis of audio tapes - and a world expert on coughing - will clear his name’
Prof Morice told The Mail on Sunday that the new evidence may create 'reasonable doubt'. It is now likely to become part of a dossier which Ingram's solicitor, Rhona Friedman, intends to submit to the Court of Appeal later this year’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8257267/amp/Lawyer-Coughing-Major-says-high-tech-audio-analysis-prove-innocent.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1133 on: April 26, 2020, 02:46:57 PM »
Oh the irony... JB winning a third appeal and having to go straight into Lockdown   8)><( @)(++(*
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1134 on: April 26, 2020, 02:47:51 PM »
Oh the irony... JB winning a third appeal and having to go straight into Lockdown   8)><( @)(++(*

Then he woke up and found he was still in lock-up  @)(++(*
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1135 on: April 26, 2020, 05:22:26 PM »
If it was Virginia why has Anji suggested otherwise ?

Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.”
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

Julie Mugford stated,

I’d been unable to make love to him or respond to him in anyway.
But sleep that night was impossible. Suddenly I heard his voice in the darkness: “Julie, I really do you love you, you know. And I’m so terribly sorry.”
Looking back now, I think that was the only nice thing Jeremy said to me during the whole terrible business”

(Source: News of the World )

How he must hate being caged.
“He has a bluebird tattooed on his arm.
“He used to tell me, “It’s my bird of freedom. You know, don’t you, that I’m a free spirit.”

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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1136 on: April 26, 2020, 07:12:15 PM »
“11 OCT 2016 — Important update from Jeremy Bamber Campaigner Trudi Benjamin on why #BamberAid is so important along with this petition:

On Saturday, my Campaign colleague Yvonne and I traveled to Liverpool for the United Against Injustice (UAI) conference. It was a jam-packed day of workshops and guest speakers, including our Patrons Michelle Diskin-Bates and Michael O’Brien.

We came away inspired and invigorated in our continued fight for justice for Jeremy.

At the UAI conference it became clear that it is very hard for those maintaining innocence to find evidence to help them owing to non-disclosure, and when they do get the opportunity to use evidence they need money to help them pay for forensic work because there is no legal aid.

Remember that the prosecution legal and forensics teams are paid 'top dollar' by the Crown Prosecution Service to ensure the scales of justice are tipped heavily towards the prosecution. Those charged or trying to overturn a conviction often rely on self-representation (litigant in person), pro-bono work of lawyers and at cost work from forensic companies.

Free expertise is increasingly hard to find - for example: Can you afford to work for free? Some forensic scientists have offered us a compromise, which is work carried out at cost.

We need your help to redress this balance and remember the following points when considering a donation:

- To make our total of £4,000, £131 per day is now needed. That doesn’t sound like much and very easy to do if two or three people or more are donating each day.

- To get the report written on the windows we need to raise this money urgently as we do not have enough for the report yet! We have been offered this work at cost and forensic scientists have given us an allotted time in which to do it. If we don’t raise the money for this slot we will might have to pay full price or wait another 6 months for a time when they can do it around their other work and commitments.

- Jeremy needs the windows report to go into submissions to the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) in the New Year so the work has to be done now!

- We also need to commission reports on several more vital forensic issues by the New Year.

As I have stated previously, we are determined to leave no stone unturned and no avenue unexplored in our quest to get Jeremy’s conviction over turned. The strong message that I took away from the conference, was that we all need to work together to ensure that miscarriages of justice are over turned in a timely manner.
https://www.change.org/p/priti-patel-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-to-jeremybamber-s-legal-defence-team/u/18112706


When will Trudi Benjamin recognise Bamber’s been committing innocence fraud ever since he murdered his family ?!
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1137 on: April 26, 2020, 10:08:36 PM »
And Julie maintains her stand today.

Julie can't really do anything else. After all these years, she can hardly say her statement was not the whole truth. She would be in a LOT of trouble.

But then again, perhaps she did tell the whole truth.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1138 on: April 26, 2020, 10:39:21 PM »
If it was Virginia why has Anji suggested otherwise ?

Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.”
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

Anji Greaves apparently started seeing Bamber 2 days after the funerals - so that”s 18th Aug 1985

She told the Sun ‘he called on her at her Kensington flat’

She stated,

We were just sat on the sofa watching videos and he made a pass. He put his arm round me and we kissed.
He told me he had been getting fed up with Julie and asked me how to tell her they were finished. He said he really wanted to get married.. ” 29th Oct 1986

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/
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Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1139 on: April 26, 2020, 10:51:40 PM »
Anji Greaves apparently started seeing Bamber 2 days after the funerals - so that”s 18th Aug 1985

She told the Sun he went round to her Kensington flat

She stated,

We were just sat on the sofa watching videos and he made a pass. He put his arm round me and we kissed.
He told me he had been getting fed up with Julie and asked me how to tell her they were finished ”


You can see why the defence didn't call these women as witnesses - Arlidge would have had a field day in cross exam, exposing more of Bambers dishonest nature and habit of treating people like objects, discarding them when they are no longer useful.