The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you see Bamber as ‘vulnerable’ Holly?

Yes.

[Nicholas]

Yes.

‘course you do

So is Mark Newby also following along these lines ?

[Holly Goodhead]

‘course you do

So is Mark Newby also following along these lines ?

You asked me a question and I answered.

I've no idea how MN views JB and whether or not his personal and professional opinions differ.

[Nicholas]

I'm no lawyer, but I think IF (and it's a massive IF), he was successful via the CCRC, he was have to face a retrial and Julie (I am sure) would be called.

And possibly referred to as ‘a scorned women’ again

[Nicholas]

Exactly but now he is arguing that he called at 03:36. After he found out I had changed my mind about his innocence, he wrote to me asking why. One of the reasons was his changing of the timings - when I mentioned this to him, he wrote back saying he hadn't changed them at all (I guess he thinks we are idiots and can't read or that he is so clever, we might not notice  ) - he followed the denial by telling me he had new logs, not the ones on the internet. I guess he forgot that he had previously sent me copies of the logs he had - they were the same as those on the internet 

This behaviour is like a subtle warning - your card is marked sort of thing

Has he ever done anything like this to Aunt Agatha or anyone else?

Wonder how many people he keeps track of out here via his  spies  & if the prison monitor this ? I doubt they do - they should after all it’s their job but more often than not they only ever monitor this sort of thing if it’s brought to their attention and even then the prison will protect themselves as opposed to the person who’s reported it

Best to report things like this to the police first so they have a record

Did Daisy report Bamber to the police or the prison ?

[Nicholas]

You asked me a question and I answered.

I've no idea how MN views JB and whether or not his personal and professional opinions differ.

 

[Nicholas]

Yes.

Why are you choosing to make the perpetrator a victim Holly ?

I witnessed this behaviour when Simon Halls guilt was exposed

[mrswah]

Do you mean the Eatons?

Or Nevill’s nice and nephew?

I’d say they don’t give him a second’s thought...

I meant all of them. There may be more distant relatives too, but I don't know.

I'm sure at least some of them DO give him a second thought------every time he plans an appeal.

[Holly Goodhead]

Why are you choosing to make the perpetrator a victim Holly ?

I witnessed this behaviour when Simon Halls guilt was exposed

You asked if I thought of him as vulnerable and I said yes.

If he's innocent then yes he's a victim too.

[Nicholas]

You asked if I thought of him as vulnerable and I said yes.

If he's innocent then yes he's a victim too.

A thieving, cheating, lying, manipulative predator is anything but vulnerable Holly

[Nicholas]

John Curtis - Jan 2015 ‘Righting Wrongs’

Excerpts:
”Thursday 2 November marked the CCRC’s celebration of twenty years of investigations and referrals back to the Court of Appeal Criminal Division at their 20th Anniversary Conference in London. The audience represented the range of stakeholders concerned with tackling miscarriages of justice: appeal lawyers, CCRC commissioners, members of parliament, forensic scientists, charity workers, investigative journalists, academics, and a handful of victims of wrongful conviction, including two who participated in panel discussions - Michael O’Brien and John Kamara.

”Commissioners too were keen to express their frustrations, agreeing that police misconduct and failure to disclose exculpatory evidence are two of the most common points raised by their applicants. Forensic experts concurred with the CCRC and others that such cases are likely to increase in number and severity as agencies struggle to manage the vast data sources made possible by mobile and satellite communications and other devices that takes considerable resources to search, making accidental and incompetent non-disclosure more likely.

“What is causing this declining rate was of interest to most in the audience, but Commissioners seemed unable to account for it. On the one hand, the Chair suggested that austerity could be a cause: a representative from the Ministry of Justice spoke about underfunding of criminal justice and cuts that might be affecting the quality of applications to the CCRC, with fewer applicants being legally represented due to restrictions on Legal Aid (this is currently being researched by the University of Sussex). In light of Hodgson and Horne’s research, which found that CCRC applications with legal representation were more likely to be successfully referred than those who weren’t, this is cause for concern.

“So where to from here? Many raised the need for more thorough research into contemporary threats to fair and equal justice, including a thematic review of miscarriages of justice cases.David Rose proposed a very sensible suggestion of making full trial and appeal transcriptions freely available to appellants and legal representatives in order to increase the chances of discovering flaws in the prosecution case and producing more robust applications to the CCRC. In turn, the CCRC proposed a new initiative to increase transparency in the form of a user group forum of interested stakeholders to share information as well as frustrations.

https://www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/righting-wrongs

David Rose - Oct 2011 ‘If they didn't do it, who did?’
“”Until today, the CCRC’s proceedings have taken place behind closed doors. Not any longer. Present while the four men weigh Hallam’s future are this reporter, and Live’s photographer. With the permission of Hallam and his family, we have been granted exclusive and unprecedented access.

“The CCRC has its critics. Meeting that ‘real possibility’ test through the discovery of fresh evidence or other compelling material not presented at a trial is not easy, and having considered more than 13,000 cases to date, the commission has referred only 478.

The legal academic Michael Naughton, of Bristol University, says the ‘real possibility’ test has made the commission overly timid, unwilling to risk referring a case where the outcome looks doubtful.

Yet to anyone who dealt with the system that existed to deal with alleged miscarriages of justice before the CCRC’s creation, it represents a significant advance. Before 1997 they were handled by a section of the Home Office, C3.

“Another prominent case is that of Jeremy Bamber, who was convicted in 1986 of murdering five members of his family in their farmhouse at Tolleshunt D’Arcy in Essex. The CCRC referred him to the Appeal Court in 2002, where he lost.

Earlier this year, having spent thousands of hours investigating a further application submitted by his lawyers, it reached a provisional decision that the points raised in this latest application were not compelling enough to meet the ‘real possibility’ test, though he still has a final chance to make further submissions.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2042831/Not-jailed-murder-actually-committed-crime--meet-commission-helps-clear-them.html


“David Rose was given unique access to the star chamber that helped to clear them”

And interestingly his wife Carolyn Hoyle was also given ‘unique access’’ to ‘the star chamber’

“Professor Carolyn Hoyle on her major research into the miscarriage of justice watchdog eight years in the making
https://www.thejusticegap.com/proof-magazine-reasons-to-doubt/

More on David Rose

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/dec/08/david-rose-climate-science

https://www.desmog.co.uk/david-rose

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidroseuk/status/1223588550345678848?lang=en

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/606867-shahbaz-sharif-sues-david-rose-mail-on-sunday-in-uk-high-court

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe7pgqQsZhU

[Holly Goodhead]

A thieving, cheating, lying, manipulative predator is anything but vulnerable Holly

That's your perception of him not mine.

Regardless I think all prisoners are vulnerable. 

[Caroline]

Yes.

REALLY? 

[Caroline]

This behaviour is like a subtle warning - your card is marked sort of thing

Has he ever done anything like this to Aunt Agatha or anyone else?

Wonder how many people he keeps track of out here via his  spies  & if the prison monitor this ? I doubt they do - they should after all it’s their job but more often than not they only ever monitor this sort of thing if it’s brought to their attention and even then the prison will protect themselves as opposed to the person who’s reported it

Best to report things like this to the police first so they have a record

Did Daisy report Bamber to the police or the prison ?

Oh I am sure the CT read the forums and chirp back regularly.

[Nicholas]

That's your perception of him not mine.

Regardless I think all prisoners are vulnerable.

I didn’t mention perception but it’s interesting you did

Perception Is Not Reality
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-prime/201908/perception-is-not-reality