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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1260 on: April 30, 2020, 03:12:15 AM »
Why do you think she was released as a witness from the appeal hearing?

Lord Justice Kay, Mr Justice Wright and Mr Justice Henriques gave permission for her to be called, but no application was made for her to do so.
After the lunchtime adjournment, and following submissions from lawyers for both parties, she was released as a witness.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2358021.stm

JB’s team didn’t want her to speak for obvious reasons...😌
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1261 on: April 30, 2020, 12:39:37 PM »
JB’s team didn’t want her to speak for obvious reasons...😌

 8((()*/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1262 on: May 01, 2020, 09:10:24 AM »
John Curtis - Jan 2015 ‘Righting Wrongs’
David Rose - Oct 2011 ‘If they didn't do it, who did?’
”Until today, the CCRC’s proceedings have taken place behind closed doors. Not any longer. Present while the four men weigh Hallam’s future are this reporter, and Live’s photographer. With the permission of Hallam and his family, we have been granted exclusive and unprecedented access.

“The CCRC has its critics. Meeting that ‘real possibility’ test through the discovery of fresh evidence or other compelling material not presented at a trial is not easy, and having considered more than 13,000 cases to date, the commission has referred only 478.

The legal academic Michael Naughton, of Bristol University, says the ‘real possibility’ test has made the commission overly timid, unwilling to risk referring a case where the outcome looks doubtful.

Yet to anyone who dealt with the system that existed to deal with alleged miscarriages of justice before the CCRC’s creation, it represents a significant advance. Before 1997 they were handled by a section of the Home Office, C3.

“Another prominent case is that of Jeremy Bamber, who was convicted in 1986 of murdering five members of his family in their farmhouse at Tolleshunt D’Arcy in Essex. The CCRC referred him to the Appeal Court in 2002, where he lost.

Earlier this year, having spent thousands of hours investigating a further application submitted by his lawyers, it reached a provisional decision that the points raised in this latest application were not compelling enough to meet the ‘real possibility’ test, though he still has a final chance to make further submissions.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2042831/Not-jailed-murder-actually-committed-crime--meet-commission-helps-clear-them.html

David Rose, alongside Satish Sakar & George Gretton commented on a 2014 article by Jon Robins for The Justice Gap headed, ’IPSO: Will new press regulator prove to be another toothless poodle?

They stated,

Satish Sekar says:
September 28, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Where has self-regulation succeeded? It is designed to maintain control while giving the impression of dealing with complaints. The press and other media are far from alone in taking advantage of this. Only independent supervision and investigation of complaints can deliver impartiality.

David Rose says:
September 30, 2014 at 9:24 am
There is a huge problem with this argument: the basic premise that the notion of press “regulation” has any place in a democratic society. I accept there do need to be laws, some of which could be said to curb the absolute freedom of speech: against, for example, the publication of paedophile pornography, and – within strict limits – defamation.

But the point that Hacked Off and Evan Harris have always missed is that the phone hacking scandal never had anything to do with “regulators”, or the supposed failure of the old PCC. It involved law breaking, pure and simple, and the failure of the police to enforce the law – largely, it seems, because of the unhealthy relationship between senior figures at Scotland Yard and News International, as it then was.

We do not need a regulator. We need something like a US first amendment – not the watery substitute of the ECHR article 10, hedged as it is with crippling caveats. Hacked Off has simply never grasped what a free press means, and why any method used to curb it must be fraught with peri. The Royal Charter they support demonstrates this amply.

I have always argued that the Leveson inquiry was a preposterous, rigged, celebrity dog and pony show. It allowed “victims” to tell their stories on the basis that whatever they said must be true, without subjecting their assertions to any form of interrogation. Its truly terrible report has been justified by Hacked Off’s constant waving of the bloody shirt of egregious cases such as those of the McCanns. Hacked Off’s main spokesmen are a failed MP who was looking for a job and ought, as a supposed “Liberal Democrat”, to have known better (Harris) and a professor of journalism at a third rate university (Brian Cathcart). It’s time they stopped setting the terms of this debate. Too much is at stake.

The time has come to remember statements such as that of the Virginia legislature in 1776: “The freedom of the press is one of the greatest bulwarks of liberty, and can never be restrained but by despotic Governments.” Why is America, despite its flaws, a freer country than the UK? Because of this text: “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.” IPSO, PCC, or some future Leveson-certified body: they can be loved only by those who appreciate the firm smack of authoritarian government and imposed conformity. We should reject them all.

Satish Sekar says:
October 1, 2014 at 8:16 am
And what should be done to control unethical journalism. I’m talking about sensational, misleading, inaccurate and ethical reporting. Journalism should never be a free pass to lie and deceive. At least two editions of a well respected allegedly investigative documentary series had preconceived agendas that had scant regard for the truth and its complaints system did nothing to investigate. It took the word of the journalists despite clear proof of wrongdoing. Press freedom must not become a justification or licence of media to abuse trust.

Satish Sekar says:
October 1, 2014 at 8:18 am
ethical should read unethical in the second sentence.

George Gretton says:
October 1, 2014 at 9:27 pm
YES!… Satish, Kindred Spirit.

I need add nothing. I will quote you.

“Press freedom must not become a justification or licence of media to abuse trust.”

ABUSE TRUST… you use the most fundamental and unambiguous language.

Thank you. I happen to have a Doctorate or three in what it is like to have one’s trust heinously betrayed.

Yours, George Gretton

George Gretton says:
October 1, 2014 at 8:39 am
Question: “Are all supposed journalists whiter that white individuals of impeccable ethics and integrity?”

Answer: “You cannot be serious!”

Question: “Why do the Laws of DEFAMATION exist?

Answer: “Because some really s..mmy and abusive s..mbags mendaciously ABUSED their right to Free Speech, so as to ABUSE others.”

Question: “Do individuals in the Psychopath / Sociopath spectrum exist in every walk of life, at all levels?”

Answer: “Yes”.

Question: “Is it wise to put any individual or group of individuals on a pedestal?”

Long Answer: “No; that’s bonkers.”
Yours, George
https://www.thejusticegap.com/ipso-will-new-press-regulator-prove-another-toothless-poodle/




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Offline Myster

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1263 on: May 02, 2020, 06:07:21 AM »
"Mr Bamber has an unrivalled knowledge of the case"  @)(++(*     Pull the other one!...

https://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/colchester/18421158.jeremy-bamber-hearing-delayed/
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1264 on: May 02, 2020, 07:55:33 AM »
"Mr Bamber has an unrivalled knowledge of the case"  @)(++(*     Pull the other one!...

https://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/colchester/18421158.jeremy-bamber-hearing-delayed/

Given he carried out the murders - Bamber does have ‘an unrivalled knowledge of the case’

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1265 on: May 02, 2020, 08:50:56 AM »
Given he carried out the murders - Bamber does have ‘an unrivalled knowledge of the case’


His pathetic attempts to escape justice are as badly thought out as the murders he committed.

Even if there were 10 silencers in WHF (and Im sure Nevill had more than one over the years), that doesn’t prove a thing; nor does it disprove that the silencer he hid in the cupboard contained Sheila’s blood....

Tricky, eh?😌
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Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1266 on: May 02, 2020, 03:34:18 PM »
Given he carried out the murders - Bamber does have ‘an unrivalled knowledge of the case’

A very good point. Perhaps the reason he resorts to peddling conspiracy fantasies and smearing witnesses is precisely because he knows his case very well.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1267 on: May 02, 2020, 03:52:09 PM »
Jeremy Bamber prison interview in full courtesy of Jim Shelly

LONG LARTIN PRISON OCTOBER 1993

This is an edited interview with Jeremy Bamber conducted by telephone from Long Lartin prison where he is currently serving five life sentences. Bamber sounded if not convincing, at least convinced. At the top of the letters he writes to his friends and supporters, he puts in capitals how long he has been inside:
2,833 DAYS OF WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT.

How do you feel now about your conviction ?
“I still can’t understand why I was convicted. It seems incredible to me, eight years after it all happened, still fighting away. There’s so much they don’t want to reveal. So much that they say they didn’t do which would have established my innocence. Had I been arrested immediately and an investigation done, then the truth would have been written much more closely. But, as my dad always used to say to me when any injustice happened to me in my childhood: “don’t worry Jeremy, the truth always comes out in the wash.” I think now the people helping me have been able to put together a package which, the bottom line, as they say, is that it is unimaginable that I would have been convicted had this evidence been before the jury.”

How much trouble have you had from other inmates ?
“Um, pretty much none. Very little. I’ve obviously made one or two enemies over the years. I would say the majority of prisoners believe in me – after reading the paperwork, meeting me, quizzing me. The prison staff extend to me, personally, every facility that they can. Very friendly. It’s not the same in every jail, and not the same for every prisoner.”

Have you had any physical assaults ?
“One in Franklin – from a guard, not a prisoner. It was a Control and Restraint technique. I smashed up my cell and went on a shit protest. It was to do with my case – a daft protest really when I look back at it. I asked for it. Apart from that, in all these years, I’ve never been touched.”

What can you tell me about Sheila? What sort of person was she ?
“God, that’s a hard question to do in just a few sentences. (Blows heavily.) You’ve sprung that on me. In her early life, a normal sister. Interested in English and Art, a sensitive person. A fairly highly-strung person but, up until the age of 17/18, I got on well with her. We had much in common. Then she went up to London and got into the modelling and that changed her quite considerably. It made her too narcissistical (sic). Quite why she started to suffer from schizophrenia, I don’t understand. She suffered from delusions, which made her very distant. It’s very hard when someone you know so well changes so radically. Really quite devastating to see someone suffering so much anxiety and not knowing what to do – mostly not having the maturity to deal with that. It makes me very sad now, that none of us – me, my family, the relatives – had any understanding about what to do.”

There is conflicting evidence about her actual ability to have committed these crimes with that weapon.
“My own opinion is that she would have had no trouble.”

What about her actual experience ?
“I can’t say that she’d had any particular experience with that particular weapon. It’s not difficult, not sophisticated. They’re simple things to operate. If she’d watched a cowboy movie, it’s almost as simple as that.”

You believe that she committed those crimes using the silencer ?
(Pauses) “My own personal belief, I believe that that’s a complete red herring. I don’t have evidence one way or the other on that. Not hard evidence. I believe that she didn’t use the silencer.”

Do you see the spark of this crime being the possibility of her children being fostered out ?
“It was something that was discussed. That was one of the many, many options that were discussed over how best to help her. What were the outside pressures causing her such distress ?”

Do you have any regrets about the way you behaved around the time of the funeral ?
“No, because a lot of those things have been grossly exaggerated by the media. I was so devastated at the loss of my family, in a sense I was trying to buy love from my friends by happily picking up the tabs, spending money to buy their affection, because I needed their love. So, no, I don’t regret that… I didn’t do anything wrong.”

What about when you went on holiday ?
“That was just with Brett Collins – we stayed in a caravan, not an expensive holiday.”

Any other regrets ?
“Yes, I suppose I do regret things. Not understanding early enough what was really going on, with the family. Being too selfish, too involved with what I was doing. I wish I’d been a better brother. Maybe Sheila and my mum and dad and Daniel and Nicholas would still be alive. I look back now and say, well, so much disturbance, why didn’t I do more ?”

ends
http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber-qa/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1268 on: May 02, 2020, 04:55:26 PM »
David Rose, alongside Satish Sakar & George Gretton commented on a 2014 article by Jon Robins for The Justice Gap headed, ’IPSO: Will new press regulator prove to be another toothless poodle?
https://www.thejusticegap.com/ipso-will-new-press-regulator-prove-another-toothless-poodle/

David Rose wrote an article headed, ‘Still fighting the complacency at the heart of our justice system’ in May 2016

He begins,

”Miscarriages of justice used to be big news, and investigating them commanded big media budgets. In the 1980s, both Granada and Yorkshire television invested heavily in the issue, making films with high production values and months of research devoted to the cases they chose to examine.

He goes on,

Back in that glorious day, Bob Woffinden, then a freelance writer, was sought out by a large, mainstream publisher, Hodder & Stoughton, and secured an advance for his first book, which came out in 1987. Entitled simply Miscarriages of Justice, it presented both compelling narratives, on cases including the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six, and cogent analysis on where the system was going wrong.

Perhaps we were all just too successful.


One of the most heartbreaking concerns Gordon Park, convicted of killing his wife Carol after her body was found in Coniston Water in 1997, 21 years after she vanished. Woffinden shows that the evidence against him was exiguous, and manipulated both by the media and police.

Turns out it wasn’t after all

At the foot of the article

Satish Sekar says:
May 12, 2016 at 8:31 am
It is tragic that the criminal justice system has got away with this again and is a searing indictment of media that they have allowed it to happen. The situation is even worse as even when they do highlight a case they make a pig’s ear of it. Wasted opportunities are worst of all, as it is claimed the issue has been covered. In fact, it has been taken off the agenda as planned.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1269 on: May 02, 2020, 06:20:27 PM »
Desperate times

Aunt Agatha
”I still believe that Neville was a High Member of the masons.  I believe he know something that if exposed, would destroy the lives of those in question.

June was very religious.  Some whitleblowers of the Grand Lodge have exposed evil deeds by those very High Members, including MP's and Royalty.

What if Ralph knew something about a member and what if he had evidence?

June I feel had a possible insight into the devil worship of these elites and was terrified it would encompass the family, therefore she did all she could to protect her husband and children from this, by instilling her Christian faith and beliefs.

The fear of exposure could have had Nevill killed... And his whole family had to go.

It was important that Jeremy was not at the farmhouse on the night of the killings. Why?

Jeremy was going to be the one to bring the police in. Nevill couldn't call the police... He knew this was a hit and he wouldn't get the help he needed with the Force having many freemason members too.

He had no choice but to call his son, the only person he believed in, that would come to his rescue.

Once the police where at the scene, they could then take over the scene and do what was needed to be done to set the stage to look like Jeremy did it.

Jeremy was the Patsy!   Jeremy is innocent!!


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3402.msg479198.html#msg479198

And she’s posted on a thread ‘calling campion’ who passed away some time ago  *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1270 on: May 02, 2020, 06:27:18 PM »
Aunt Agatha
”I still believe that Neville was a High Member of the masons.  I believe he know something that if exposed, would destroy the lives of those in question.

June was very religious.  Some whitleblowers of the Grand Lodge have exposed evil deeds by those very High Members, including MP's and Royalty.

What if Ralph knew something about a member and what if he had evidence?

June I feel had a possible insight into the devil worship of these elites and was terrified it would encompass the family, therefore she did all she could to protect her husband and children from this, by instilling her Christian faith and beliefs.

The fear of exposure could have had Nevill killed... And his whole family had to go.

It was important that Jeremy was not at the farmhouse on the night of the killings. Why?

Jeremy was going to be the one to bring the police in. Nevill couldn't call the police... He knew this was a hit and he wouldn't get the help he needed with the Force having many freemason members too.

He had no choice but to call his son, the only person he believed in, that would come to his rescue.

Once the police where at the scene, they could then take over the scene and do what was needed to be done to set the stage to look like Jeremy did it.

Jeremy was the Patsy!   Jeremy is innocent!!


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3402.msg479198.html#msg479198

Did you used to talk to Bamber about the above Aunt Agatha?

What did he think?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1271 on: May 02, 2020, 06:29:53 PM »

Aunt Agatha
”I still believe that Neville was a High Member of the masons.  I believe he know something that if exposed, would destroy the lives of those in question.

June was very religious.  Some whitleblowers of the Grand Lodge have exposed evil deeds by those very High Members, including MP's and Royalty.

What if Ralph knew something about a member and what if he had evidence?

June I feel had a possible insight into the devil worship of these elites and was terrified it would encompass the family, therefore she did all she could to protect her husband and children from this, by instilling her Christian faith and beliefs.

The fear of exposure could have had Nevill killed... And his whole family had to go.

It was important that Jeremy was not at the farmhouse on the night of the killings. Why?

Jeremy was going to be the one to bring the police in. Nevill couldn't call the police... He knew this was a hit and he wouldn't get the help he needed with the Force having many freemason members too.

He had no choice but to call his son, the only person he believed in, that would come to his rescue.

Once the police where at the scene, they could then take over the scene and do what was needed to be done to set the stage to look like Jeremy did it.

Jeremy was the Patsy!   Jeremy is innocent!!


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3402.msg479198.html#msg479198

At least you have admitted you know SC wasn’t responsible and the evidence doesn’t point to her
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Myster

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1272 on: May 02, 2020, 06:30:42 PM »
Desperate times

Aunt Agatha
”I still believe that Neville was a High Member of the masons.  I believe he know something that if exposed, would destroy the lives of those in question.

June was very religious.  Some whitleblowers of the Grand Lodge have exposed evil deeds by those very High Members, including MP's and Royalty.

What if Ralph knew something about a member and what if he had evidence?

June I feel had a possible insight into the devil worship of these elites and was terrified it would encompass the family, therefore she did all she could to protect her husband and children from this, by instilling her Christian faith and beliefs.

The fear of exposure could have had Nevill killed... And his whole family had to go.

It was important that Jeremy was not at the farmhouse on the night of the killings. Why?

Jeremy was going to be the one to bring the police in. Nevill couldn't call the police... He knew this was a hit and he wouldn't get the help he needed with the Force having many freemason members too.

He had no choice but to call his son, the only person he believed in, that would come to his rescue.

Once the police where at the scene, they could then take over the scene and do what was needed to be done to set the stage to look like Jeremy did it.

Jeremy was the Patsy!   Jeremy is innocent!!


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3402.msg479198.html#msg479198

And she’s posted on a thread ‘calling campion’ who passed away some time ago  *&^^&
Is that an undiscovered Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale?!
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.


Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1274 on: May 02, 2020, 06:40:34 PM »
Is that an undiscovered Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale?!

Aunt Agatha
Nevill knew something!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/claims-police-covered-up-historical-child-sex-abuse-by-mps-and-officers-investigated-10505592.html%3famp


Claims police covered up historical child sex abuse by MPs and officers investigated - 2015
Claims that police attempted to cover up MPs’ involvement in child sex abuse dating back to the 1970s are being investigated.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has announced 13 further investigations into allegations of historical corruption in the Metropolitan Police and Essex Police.
Among the dozen allegations relating to Scotland Yard are claims that the prosecution of an unnamed government official for possessing indecent images of children was dropped on the order of senior officers.
Several investigations  were allegedly shut down by “high-ranking” officers, while crucial evidence relating to child abuse involving politicians, council officers and police went missing in several cases.
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