The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

You didn't liste to the video.

These people have no conscience.  They would sacrifice anything to retain their wealth and power. 

Rose tinted glasses will keep you safe until you wake up.

Why did Bamber refer to his sister as ‘narcissitical’ ?

LONG LARTIN PRISON OCTOBER 1993

This is an edited interview with Jeremy Bamber conducted by telephone from Long Lartin prison where he is currently serving five life sentences. Bamber sounded if not convincing, at least convinced. At the top of the letters he writes to his friends and supporters, he puts in capitals how long he has been inside:
2,833 DAYS OF WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT.

What can you tell me about Sheila? What sort of person was she ?
“God, that’s a hard question to do in just a few sentences. (Blows heavily.) You’ve sprung that on me. In her early life, a normal sister. Interested in English and Art, a sensitive person. A fairly highly-strung person but, up until the age of 17/18, I got on well with her. We had much in common. Then she went up to London and got into the modelling and that changed her quite considerably. It made her too narcissistical (sic). Quite why she started to suffer from schizophrenia, I don’t understand. She suffered from delusions, which made her very distant. It’s very hard when someone you know so well changes so radically. Really quite devastating to see someone suffering so much anxiety and not knowing what to do – mostly not having the maturity to deal with that. It makes me very sad now, that none of us – me, my family, the relatives – had any understanding about what to do.”
http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber-qa/

[APRIL]

One  has to connect the dots and see for oneself who was connected to who, what accusations have been made against them and take it from there.

But how is it relevant if Nevill wasn't a Mason?

[Nicholas]

You didn't liste to the video.

These people have no conscience. They would sacrifice anything to retain their wealth and power. 

Rose tinted glasses will keep you safe until you wake up.

Bamber is without conscience AA

[Nicholas]

In the 18 years you and Bamber were in contact did he ever mention he was allegedly “sexually molested” when he was 11 years old?


”Close pal, Brett Collins, said: ”When Jeremy was 11 he was sexually molested by older boys and that deeply affected him."

Bamber left school with no qualifications but his father still financed a trip to Australia and New Zealand and a scuba diving course.

There have been claims while he was there he broke into a jewellery store and stole an expensive watch, which he then gave to a girlfriend back in the UK.“
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/sex-abuse-serial-killer-jeremy-21153790

Still think that watch he gave you is a fake

Why did he give you all these items anyway - he could have kept them or had them stored somewhere like Branston https://insidetime.org/branston-not-closing-down/
https://insidetime.org/property-at-branston/

[Caroline]

Why did Bamber refer to his sister as ‘narcissitical’ ?

Then change his mind here https://www.theguardian.com/uk/audio/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-murder-appeal-audio (5:03)

[Angelo222]

First I must say I find Aunt Agatha a joy to debate with, she is very honest, holds to her personal beliefs firmly and I respect that. I apologise to her if my replies were too direct.

The evidence collected by police doesn't exclude there being an accomplice or third party involved in the murders but if there was, they would have to have had Jeremy Bamber's full cooperation to do so.

For all we know, Jeremy Bamber entered the farmhouse and let someone in and between them they carried out their dire deeds. In fact, that would explain one mystery and that is where was Sheila when June and Nevill were being beaten and murdered? It would take an accomplice to restrain Sheila while the other killer ran amok in the farmhouse.

Was the story Jeremy Bamber told Julie Mugford about the hitman a total fabrication?  Possibly not. Maybe there was some truth in that story after all but Bamber changed the name so as to get Mugford off his back.  Was the name Matthew McDonald the first name that came to him so he chose to put her off the scent by claiming that it was McDonald and not he that pulled the trigger?

These are the questions that only Jeremy Bamber knows the answers to.

[barrier]

First I must say I find Aunt Agatha a joy to debate with, she is very honest, holds to her personal beliefs firmly and I respect that. I apologise to her if my replies were too direct.

The evidence collected by police doesn't exclude there being an accomplice or third party involved in the murders but if there was, they would have to have had Jeremy Bamber's full cooperation to do so.

For all we know, Jeremy Bamber entered the farmhouse and let someone in and between them they carried out their dire deeds. In fact, that would explain one mystery and that is where was Sheila when June and Nevill were being beaten and murdered? It would take an accomplice to restrain Sheila while the other killer ran amok in the farmhouse.

Was the story Jeremy Bamber told Julie Mugford about the hitman a total fabrication?  Possibly not. Maybe there was some truth in that story after all but Bamber changed the name so as to get Mugford off his back.

Neither Bamber or any supposed accomplish is going to fess up,it makes sense though.

[APRIL]

First I must say I find Aunt Agatha a joy to debate with, she is very honest, holds to her personal beliefs firmly and I respect that. I apologise to her if my replies were too direct.

The evidence collected by police doesn't exclude there being an accomplice or third party involved in the murders but if there was, they would have to have had Jeremy Bamber's full cooperation to do so.

For all we know, Jeremy Bamber entered the farmhouse and let someone in and between them they carried out their dire deeds. In fact, that would explain one mystery and that is where was Sheila when June and Nevill were being beaten and murdered? It would take an accomplice to restrain Sheila while the other killer ran amok in the farmhouse.

Was the story Jeremy Bamber told Julie Mugford about the hitman a total fabrication?  Possibly not. Maybe there was some truth in that story after all but Bamber changed the name so as to get Mugford off his back.

Such an irony, then, that Jeremy is doing life whilst the accomplice is free. If Jeremy implicates the accomplice, it makes him culpable. He's stuffed and there's SFA he can do about it.

[Angelo222]

Neither Bamber or any supposed accomplish is going to fess up,it makes sense though.

Another piece of the puzzle was the mad scramble to get cash after the murders. Did Jeremy Bamber have to pay someone and quickish.  His old pal Brett Collins certainly doesn't believe him any more. I wonder what Aunt Agatha thinks of that revelation?

[Common sense]

First I must say I find Aunt Agatha a joy to debate with, she is very honest, holds to her personal beliefs firmly and I respect that. I apologise to her if my replies were too direct.

The evidence collected by police doesn't exclude there being an accomplice or third party involved in the murders but if there was, they would have to have had Jeremy Bamber's full cooperation to do so.

For all we know, Jeremy Bamber entered the farmhouse and let someone in and between them they carried out their dire deeds. In fact, that would explain one mystery and that is where was Sheila when June and Nevill were being beaten and murdered? It would take an accomplice to restrain Sheila while the other killer ran amok in the farmhouse.

Was the story Jeremy Bamber told Julie Mugford about the hitman a total fabrication?  Possibly not. Maybe there was some truth in that story after all but Bamber changed the name so as to get Mugford off his back.  Was the name Matthew McDonald the first name that came to him so he chose to put her off the scent by claiming that it was McDonald and not he that pulled the trigger?

These are the questions that only Jeremy Bamber knows the answers to.

I've never fully rejected this theory, although I doubt even a mercenary would murder children.

I think Bamber told JM a version of the facts, perhaps in his hubris he had to boast to someone and he thought she  would never say anything.

[APRIL]

I've never fully rejected this theory, although I doubt even a mercenary would murder children.

I think Bamber told JM a version of the facts, perhaps in his hubris he had to boast to someone and he thought she  would never say anything.

However, Auntie A's theory re Nevill being privy to corruption in the highest positions of High Masonry only works if Nevill was a Mason, and there's nothing to suggest that he was or ever had been. I do wonder if this may have more to do with her personal conspiracy theories, than Jeremy Bamber per se?

[Common sense]

However, Auntie A's theory re Nevill being privy to corruption in the highest positions of High Masonry only works if Nevill was a Mason, and there's nothing to suggest that he was or ever had been. I do wonder if this may have more to do with her personal conspiracy theories, than Jeremy Bamber per se?

Good lord no. I was referring to the theory that Bamber hired a third party, told them how to get in the window and then make a call to him from WHF as related by Julie. Or the theory that JB and another carried the crime out together.

I'm afraid I don't take AA seriously at all. If some powerful elite wanted him bumped off, a farming or car accident would be much more likely than to stage a crime people would still be talking about 35 years later and AA doesn't explain why the gun was found on Sheila and not Jeremy in her scenario.

Still the most plausible explanation of JBs innocence I've heard though!   

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You know nothing about freemasonry.

I'm limited in what I can share on here, the best examples of what goes on in the Higher Ranks have been removed  due to restrictions on free speech and censorship.

https://youtu.be/SACHXYQgHPE

How would/could you know that I know nothing about the Freemasons?

My ex-husband was a mason, my late partner was a Master Mason, and by coincidence my later partner is also a mason. I’ve been to many, many Ladies Nights; I’ve read their book of verse (just some, which is absolutely beautiful), and for you to say I know nothing about it makes you look bonkers.




It’s an organisation not dissimilar to a private Gentleman's Club, where they meet up at their lodges and after going through their third degree (by invitation only) they are initiated. The reason most members are businessmen, high ranking police, royalty etc, is that they only invite respectable people of good character and as they all have to contribute money and host events (which are costly) they have to be comfortably off. They amass thousands of pounds for different charities and hospitals, and do more good than you’d ever know.

It’s true that they make contacts which can be beneficial to them in business, and they all have each other’s support, but everything they do is legal and IF one ever did do something wrong the SHAME put upon them would be huge. They’d be thrown out immediately, and besides losing every privilege they would be forever walking with their heads bowed in shame.

Women can actually become Masons too .They have their own separate lodges .

I can tell by your  thinking that you’ve developed this fairytale in your head hoping Jeremy was set-up by the Masons, but as you’ve searched for nonsense on the internet about the Freemasons you’re completely clueless and believe any old rubbish ignorant people put up.

[Nicholas]

How would/could you know that I know nothing about the Freemasons?

My ex-husband was a mason, my late partner was a Master Mason, and by coincidence my later partner is also a mason. I’ve been to many, many Ladies Nights; I’ve read their book of verse (just some, which is absolutely beautiful), and for you to say I know nothing about it makes you look bonkers.




It’s an organisation not dissimilar to a private Gentleman's Club, where they meet up at their lodges and after going through their third degree (by invitation only) they are initiated. The reason most members are businessmen, high ranking police, royalty etc, is that they only invite respectable people of good character and as they all have to contribute money and host events (which are costly) they have to be comfortably off. They amass thousands of pounds for different charities and hospitals, and do more good than you’d ever know.

It’s true that they make contacts which can be beneficial to them in business, and they all have each other’s support, but everything they do is legal and IF one ever did do something wrong the SHAME put upon them would be huge. They’d be thrown out immediately, and besides losing every privilege they would be forever walking with their heads bowed in shame.

Women can actually become Masons too .They have their own separate lodges .

I can tell by your  thinking that you’ve developed this fairytale in your head hoping Jeremy was set-up by the Masons, but as you’ve searched for nonsense on the internet about the Freemasons you’re completely clueless and believe any old rubbish ignorant people put up. That’s probably why the sly sneaky JB got shot of you — he knew you were full of fantasies too and of no use to him. He couldn’t have you speaking on his behalf because people would have laughed their heads off. I dare say you irritated him with your bizarre ideas and you’re very lucky he did cease contact with you, otherwise he may have caused you to do things you’d later bitterly regret.
 You’re living in cloud cuckoo land.

Agreed

[Aunt Agatha]

How would/could you know that I know nothing about the Freemasons?

My ex-husband was a mason, my late partner was a Master Mason, and by coincidence my later partner is also a mason. I’ve been to many, many Ladies Nights; I’ve read their book of verse (just some, which is absolutely beautiful), and for you to say I know nothing about it makes you look bonkers.




It’s an organisation not dissimilar to a private Gentleman's Club, where they meet up at their lodges and after going through their third degree (by invitation only) they are initiated. The reason most members are businessmen, high ranking police, royalty etc, is that they only invite respectable people of good character and as they all have to contribute money and host events (which are costly) they have to be comfortably off. They amass thousands of pounds for different charities and hospitals, and do more good than you’d ever know.

It’s true that they make contacts which can be beneficial to them in business, and they all have each other’s support, but everything they do is legal and IF one ever did do something wrong the SHAME put upon them would be huge. They’d be thrown out immediately, and besides losing every privilege they would be forever walking with their heads bowed in shame.

Women can actually become Masons too .They have their own separate lodges .

I can tell by your  thinking that you’ve developed this fairytale in your head hoping Jeremy was set-up by the Masons, but as you’ve searched for nonsense on the internet about the Freemasons you’re completely clueless and believe any old rubbish ignorant people put up.

I respect your views and opinions however I would strongly disagree.  Lower masons are fine, just as you describe.

Then you get to 30 degree plus and this is a whole different scenario.

I'm limited with what I can find on YouTube that I can post here however both young and old adults have stepped forward and have revealed what they have endured and witnessed at the hands of this satanic cult.  We are talking the worst of the worst!

So, this video is informative, that's all. You're nit going to listen to anything too gruesome otherwise this guy would be behind bars.

https://youtu.be/mQ-O9_beNzI