The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Common sense]

"Pacing by the window with a rifle"? 

I think she recorded it on her sky go. 

[Nicholas]

Which part of north London are you referring to, MrsWah?

As a Londoner myself I know that there’s some tatty parts of north London, but also some incredibly beautiful parts where properties cost millions. Highgate/Hampstead, for example. There’s also some very nice parts with tree-lined avenues, gorgeous Victorian/Edwardian/Georgian houses in less salubrious areas...in fact, even the tatty parts are expensive.

It’s irrelevant, anyway, as you don’t know what Julie’s financial circumstances were. You don’t know if she had savings; a small inheritance from one of her grandparents...you’ve not idea. You don’t know if she maxed out out her credit cards to travel...you’re making suppositions based on what you IMAGINE.

How do you know she didn’t have relatives in Canada? It isn’t the first country that springs to mind when students travel on a gap year...

Incidentally, Julie met her husband in 1990, in either England or Europe. After they married she moved with him to Canada as he was Canadian and they decided to settle there.🤷‍♀️

According to Carol Ann Lees book JM met her husband in Australia

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zV3WCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA401&lpg=PA401&dq=jeremy+bamber+medical+records&source=bl&ots=jQH_R2y9x2&sig=ACfU3U3p2kQikaaZjnxEhSV4fwCJ04H2TQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTnaS66aTpAhV3VxUIHaUlB9E4FBDoATANegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=jeremy%20bamber%20medical%20records&f=false

[Caroline]

According to Carol Ann Lees book JM met her husband in Australia

She did.

[mrswah]

Which part of north London are you referring to, MrsWah?

As a Londoner myself I know that there’s some tatty parts of north London, but also some incredibly beautiful parts where properties cost millions. Highgate/Hampstead, for example. There’s also some very nice parts with tree-lined avenues, gorgeous Victorian/Edwardian/Georgian houses in less salubrious areas...in fact, even the tatty parts are expensive.

It’s irrelevant, anyway, as you don’t know what Julie’s financial circumstances were. You don’t know if she had savings; a small inheritance from one of her grandparents...you’ve not idea. You don’t know if she maxed out out her credit cards to travel...you’re making suppositions based on what you IMAGINE.

How do you know she didn’t have relatives in Canada? It isn’t the first country that springs to mind when students travel on a gap year...

Incidentally, Julie met her husband in 1990, in either England or Europe. After they married she moved with him to Canada as he was Canadian and they decided to settle there.🤷‍♀️

I never claimed to know anything about Julie's financial circumstances as an adult. I was merely replying to another poster having suggested  that her family were not as wealthy as the Bambers!


 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I never claimed to know anything about Julie's financial circumstances as an adult. I was merely replying to another poster having suggested  that her family were not as wealthy as the Bambers!

Yes, you did reply to another poster and you wrote:


“Definitely not. Julie was born in North London, not far from where I grew up. Certainly an "ordinary" area, and it wasn't/isn't uncommon for families from that area to move out to Essex later.”


So your inference was that because Julie was brought up in an “ordinary” area near you, she couldn’t have travelled to Canada...

As you rightly now say, you didn’t know Julie’s finances, so where she brought up isn’t significant...

In any event, it seems this trip to Canada may have been a rumour started by someone who lacks knowledge, or wanted to create a fairy story...

[mrswah]

Yes, you did reply to another poster and you wrote:


“Definitely not. Julie was born in North London, not far from where I grew up. Certainly an "ordinary" area, and it wasn't/isn't uncommon for families from that area to move out to Essex later.”


So your inference was that because Sheila was brought up in an “ordinary” area near you, she couldn’t have travelled to Canada...

As you rightly now say, you didn’t know Julie’s finances, so where she brought up isn’t significant...

In any event, it seems this trip to Canada may have been a rumour started by someone who lacks knowledge, or wanted to create a fairy story...

No, my inference was NOT that she couldn't have travelled to Canada. I wasn't even thinking about her travelling to Canada (which, as far as I know, she didn't do anyway. ).

BTW, I think you mean Julie, not Sheila!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No, my inference was NOT that she couldn't have travelled to Canada. I wasn't even thinking about her travelling to Canada (which, as far as I know, she didn't do anyway. ).

BTW, I think you mean Julie, not Sheila!

Thank you, I've corrected my mistake 🙂

[Nicholas]

Not read or seen any w/s of what either sister said.  Only CAL's interpretation of what occured...

'Brett called at the cafe to remind Jeremy that the antiques dealer was due, so they all returned to the flat.
While the dealer was looking through the items from the farm, the telephone rang.Jeremy answered, speaking ‘in a friendly manner’ to the caller.
‘Who is it?’ Julie asked, growing suspicious.
‘Virginia,’ he said.
Julie knew at once that he meant Virginia Greaves, and asked him to put the phone down.When he carried on talking, she cut the call herself.
They then began to argue and Jeremy admitted he was seeing Virginia.
When the telephone rang again and he answered it, Julie stormed through to Sheila’s bedroom.
‘I was so angry,’ she remembered. ‘I picked up a Chinese box of Jeremy’s and threw it against a mirror, which smashed.’
Still on the line, Virginia heard the splintering glass. ‘What’s that?’ she asked.
Jeremy replied, ‘Oh, Julie just smashing some plates up.’
There was another crash.
‘What’s that?’ asked Virginia again.
‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’
Shocked, Virginia told him definitely, ‘I don’t want anything to do with that and I’ll speak to you some time.’

Question for Aunt Agatha

Was Bamber talking to Virginia or Anji (Angela) Greaves ?

[Nicholas]

Not read or seen any w/s of what either sister said.  Only CAL's interpretation of what occured...

'Brett called at the cafe to remind Jeremy that the antiques dealer was due, so they all returned to the flat.
While the dealer was looking through the items from the farm, the telephone rang.Jeremy answered, speaking ‘in a friendly manner’ to the caller.
‘Who is it?’ Julie asked, growing suspicious.
‘Virginia,’ he said.
Julie knew at once that he meant Virginia Greaves, and asked him to put the phone down.When he carried on talking, she cut the call herself.
They then began to argue and Jeremy admitted he was seeing Virginia.
When the telephone rang again and he answered it, Julie stormed through to Sheila’s bedroom.
‘I was so angry,’ she remembered. ‘I picked up a Chinese box of Jeremy’s and threw it against a mirror, which smashed.’
Still on the line, Virginia heard the splintering glass. ‘What’s that?’ she asked.
Jeremy replied, ‘Oh, Julie just smashing some plates up.’
There was another crash.
‘What’s that?’ asked Virginia again.
‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’
Shocked, Virginia told him definitely, ‘I don’t want anything to do with that and I’ll speak to you some time.’

What does Virginia Greaves statement say exactly?

Presumably CAL has taken,

‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window‘
 
from VG’s WS statement but wouldn’t this have alarmed VG? Did she tell her sister Anji ? And if so what did Anji’s WS statement say ?

Or did Anji Greaves refuse to give police a WS?

[Eleanor]

What does Virginia Greaves statement say exactly?

Presumably CAL has taken,

‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window‘
 
from VG’s WS statement but wouldn’t this have alarmed VG? Did she tell her sister Anji ? And if so what did Anji’s WS statement say ?

Or did Anji Greaves refuse to give police a WS?

That Julie was crackers as well?

[Nicholas]

That Julie was crackers as well?

Bamber most definitely appears to have wanted to give Virginia or Anji or both that impression doesn’t he

There’s no evidence however that JM did this

[Eleanor]

Bamber most definitely appears to have wanted to give Virginia or Anji or both that impression doesn’t he

There’s no evidence however that JM did this

But I thought Julie said she had done that.

[Nicholas]

Not read or seen any w/s of what either sister said.  Only CAL's interpretation of what occured...

'Brett called at the cafe to remind Jeremy that the antiques dealer was due, so they all returned to the flat.
While the dealer was looking through the items from the farm, the telephone rang.Jeremy answered, speaking ‘in a friendly manner’ to the caller.
‘Who is it?’ Julie asked, growing suspicious.
‘Virginia,’ he said.
Julie knew at once that he meant Virginia Greaves, and asked him to put the phone down.When he carried on talking, she cut the call herself.
They then began to argue and Jeremy admitted he was seeing Virginia.
When the telephone rang again and he answered it, Julie stormed through to Sheila’s bedroom.
‘I was so angry,’ she remembered. ‘I picked up a Chinese box of Jeremy’s and threw it against a mirror, which smashed.’
Still on the line, Virginia heard the splintering glass. ‘What’s that?’ she asked.
Jeremy replied, ‘Oh, Julie just smashing some plates up.’
There was another crash.
‘What’s that?’ asked Virginia again.
‘Julie’s just put her wrists through the window.’
Shocked, Virginia told him definitely, ‘I don’t want anything to do with that and I’ll speak to you some time.’

Did Virginia Greave cover for Bamber and her sister Anji and tell police it was her on the phone to Bamber as opposed to Anji?

[Holly Goodhead]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11431.msg589428#msg589428

I don't do any SM other than here.

In answer to your other question I've no idea who feels abused by JB. 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That Julie was crackers as well?

I suppose if you’ve been sucked in by a psycho for two years it could send you crackers...until you see th light

As for Julie pitting her hand through the window — who said that?