The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Eleanor]

Are you saying because the original investigation was ‘inept’ you believe Bamber’s trial shouldn’t have gone ahead?

No.

[Nicholas]

No.

What do you believe was ‘inept’ about it and why ?

And what would you have done differently ?

[Eleanor]

What do you believe was ‘inept’ about it and why ?

It was a mess and the evidence presented was a mess.  But Juries in those days were more susceptible.  They charged him so it must be true.

Better that one Guilty man should go free than that Innocent men should be convicted.  Or Women, if you like.

[Brietta]

I agree. A story was presented, but I'm not convinced it was proved beyond reasonable doubt to be true.

I don't agree with either you or Eleanor on this one.

I often wonder what initial evidence was lost by the ineptitude of the handling of the crime scene and the lack of any eliminating procedures conducted on Bamber.  Although he had taken care to ensure there was an explanation should his hands have tested positive for gunshot residue; the destruction of the crime scene at the farm was inexcusable as was the unquestioned adoption of an unchecked narrative which to all intents and purposes solved the case.

The fact that there was still enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution in my opinion shows how much was lost in the first instance.

Bamber's own narrative pointed the finger at either himself or Sheila Caffell and I think the phone evidence was enough to play a huge part in calling his innocence into question.

I am new to learning about his support team but the fact that they place a lot of reliance on factoid and dissemination as pointed out in numerous posts on the forum rather weakens any case they may have had.

I think Bamber had a fair trial and that opinion is reinforced by his two failed appeals and his failed appeal to the ECHR? although I don't know much about it and I would be interested if anyone has information to hand about that.
I should really look for it myself but I can't be bothered particularly if the information is already on the forum.

[Eleanor]

What do you believe was ‘inept’ about it and why ?

And what would you have done differently ?

Ah Ha.  You slipped an extra question in there while my back was turned answering your first and only question at the time.

This won't do, of course.  I would have had your first question wiped from the records.  It is a dishonest thing to do.  So I won't be trusting you again in a hurry.

[Nicholas]

Without doubt Bamber has and is committing innocence fraud

John Collins, on Innocence Fraudhttps://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-roberta-glass-true-crime-r-30951716/episode/the-wrongful-conviction-of-forensic-science-52731384/

He refers to how ‘the drama of these types of cases impairs our ability to look at these cases objectively’

with lots of help from his CT

What does Michael Fielder’s witness statement say

By the way Fielder DID make a statement to the police about the episode, the police even asked Fielder if he would give evidence in court should he be needed.

Would be great to get hold of that statement. So anyone who says there is no evidence that bamber tried to sell his dead sisters private pictures, well now we know !!!

Bamber and his pal Brett Collins tried to flog nude pictures of his murdered sister Sheila Caffell around Fleet Street in London for a substantial sum before he was arrested.  His friend Brett Collins approached several newspapers on his behalf but every one declined the offer. The Evening Times printed an article shortly thereafter referring to the offer which they felt was in rather poor taste and certainly newsworthy in itself given the circumstances.


Evening Times Article - Tuesday 28 October 1986




To read full article click here

[Nicholas]

”Here’s an update on the campaign work in 2018.
Our work with the Lords and MPs continues and we are currently recruiting for our Parliamentary Campaign Group, which will see further political pressure on the CPS to disclose all of the material they hold.

I have been part of a working group that includes representatives of JUSTICE, The Centre for Criminal Appeals, and Inside Justice, on designing a protocol to assist both police representatives and prosecutors in handling requests for post-conviction disclosure. In addition, the Centre for Criminal Appeals are to launch a campaign known as “Show Us The Evidence” which will help ensure that innocent prisoners and campaign groups like ours, doing the work of the CCRC, should have access to the evidence they need to defend those maintaining innocence.

Erwin James, editor of the prisoners newspaper Inside Time and a member of the all party parliamentary group, spoke of his own experience as a prisoner helping a fellow inmate who he was convinced was innocent. James himself discovered evidence that in his view ‘totally undermined’ the prosecution case but would not have been allowed in by the Court of Appeal because the CCRC judged that it would have taken the view it was not fresh evidence. A situation the journalist called ‘absurd’.

https://www.thejusticegap.com/westminster-commission-on-miscarriages-of-justice-looks-at-watchdogs-independence/

An argument for reforming the Court of Appeal By Glyn Maddocks 4 November 2019
Today, it is now widely accepted that the criminal justice system in this country is, to use the words of Mark George QC, facing a ‘perfect storm’. Overzealous governments have produced legislation by the bucketload aimed exclusively at increasing the conviction rate while simultaneously and savagely destroying the court service, the CPS, the police and the legal aid system. This has led to prisons being full to breaking point. As Polly Toynbee recently said in the Guardian: ‘The tottering edifice is only kept going by the super human goodwill of the dwindling members operating within it.’

Over a period of a few years the criminal justice system has been systematically devalued and the once robust and independent structure which valued human rights and the rule of law is rapidly being destroyed. In the last seven years, the Ministry of Justice’s budget has been cut by 38% – the deepest cuts of any government department. This is unsustainable when all involved are required to do more for less. Former director of public prosecutions Lord Macdonald waded in recently by graphically describing the system we are left with as demoralised, denuded and chronically malnourished.

Investigating miscarriages

In 2017, a group of parliamentarians established the All Party Parliamentary Group on Miscarriages of Justice (APPGMJ). During its first two years, it has grown in strength and expertise and has been very busy and held many events. But of most significance, the APPGMJ has established a Westminster Commission on Miscarriages of Justice (WCMJ) with a brief to investigate the ability of the criminal justice system to identify and rectify miscarriages of justice. Following the model of a select committee this commission has as its co-chairs, Baroness Stern, president of the Association of Members of Independent Monitoring Boards, and Lord Garnier QC, a former solicitor general. They have been joined by Dame Anne Owers, former chief inspector of prisons; Michelle Nelson QC, barrister; Dr Philip Joseph, consultant forensic psychiatrist; and Erwin James, editor-in-chief of the prisoners’ newspaper Inside Time. I act as the commission’s special adviser and it has been fortunate to receive generous support from Simpson Thacher and Garden Court Chambers.

So far, the commission has heard evidence from Helen Pitcher, chair of the Criminal Cases Review Commission, and its chief executive, Karen Kneller. It has also heard from Gerard Sinclair and Chris Reddick, representing the Scottish CCRC. They were able to provide valuable insight into the Scottish approach to dealing with alleged miscarriages of justice, which applies a different test when deciding whether to refer a case to the Scottish Court of Appeal. Many regard this test as less subjective than the ‘real possibility’ test which is applied in England and Wales, and which Pitcher and Kneller said they would welcome the commission looking at to consider whether it should be modified. The WCMJ has also heard from specialist QCs, academics, and experienced appeal solicitors, with further evidence sessions currently being organised.

The commission has also received a large number of written submissions from lawyers, academics, investigative reporters, charities, prisoners and their families. Concerns raised include the failure of the CCRC to carry out proper reviews or engage experts, the problems that arise from the ‘real possibility’ test, the lack of funding available for legal representation when applying to the CCRC, and failures elsewhere in the criminal justice process. Those who have direct experience of applying to the CCRC have also been encouraged to share their experiences by completing a questionnaire.

To date perhaps the most powerful evidence received by the commission has come from Dr Dennis Eady, of Cardiff University’s Innocence Project. Eady pointed out that the CCRC’s referral rate had plummeted over the last three years – down from a 20-year average of over 30 to just 13 last year. Eady said that a referral rate of about 1% of the total number of applications represented a ‘snowball’s chance in hell’. He went on to say that he believes that things have got so bad and so serious that there is a greater need now for a royal commission than there was in the 1990s.

Reform the Court of Appeal?

Eady was also understandably concerned that the WCMJ might make a few recommendations for the CCRC to be ‘a bit bolder’ as the Justice Select Committee did in 2015.

‘There is a danger we might mess around on the periphery of things which might make them better for a little while, but I think essentially we’ve got to be more radical in the approach we take’, he said. ‘We’ve lowered the standard of proof consistently, we’ve knocked out due process safeguards, and we’ve become a much more convictionalist kind of society. We’ve had moral panics around sex offences and joint enterprise and that has got lower and lower and lower in terms of convicting people. At the other end, as we have heard, the Court of Appeal’s bar has got higher and higher and higher. The CCRC is stuck between a rock and a hard place.’

Eady suggested it was high time to reform the Court of Appeal and allow the CCRC to have more power and the ability to quash convictions.

Whether this will form part of the recommendations to be made by the Westminster commission remains to be seen. Many feel that, sadly, the topic of miscarriages of justice is not given the priority that it deserves by those in power. There is obviously a great deal to be done and it is fair to say that the commission is determined to complete its task as soon as possible, and provide robust and practical recommendations for reform that will hopefully go some way to restore faith in the system.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice-points/an-argument-for-reforming-the-court-of-appeal/5102022.article#.XcFSL8Fx8GM.twitter

[Caroline]

I don't know what happened, but I'm not happy with the court decision. The jury delivered a verdict based on the evidence but if the evidence was dodgy then the jury's verdict was also dodgy.

Depends what you think was dodgy?

[Nicholas]

Tru Benjamin
@tru68
“...one thing I did learn in prison is that there is no such thing as false hope - there is only hope.” Erwin James
@TheErwinJames

#JeremyBamber
#Innocent
#NoDisclosureNoJustice
8:52 AM · May 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://mobile.twitter.com/tru68/status/1260477941571555330

Would be interested to hear what Erwin James has to say about Bamber’s innocence fraud

[Nicholas]

Latest News 19.12.19
Statement regarding the White House Farm ITV drama.
“We first became aware of a planned ITV drama about Jeremy’s case in December 2017, and took immediate steps to offer our assistance by contacting Kim Varvell at Production Company ‘New Pictures’, Commissioning Editor Kevin Lygo at ITV and writer Chris Mrska. We were willing to provide access to brand new forensic reports, our team of scientists, the case material, fresh evidence, and Jeremy and his legal team. Our offers were ignored, and we believe therefore, that the drama can only be based on factually incorrect and very out of date material.
Our campaign is not only about proving Jeremy’s innocence, but protecting the memory of his much-loved family who will undoubtedly have their characters dissected and denigrated in order to make sensationalised television. This will not benefit anyone, least of all Jeremy in his fight for justice, but will simply be a money pot for ITV, reaping in millions of pounds from a family tragedy that is still unresolved.
We need to make it clear that the Jeremy Bamber Campaign, Jeremy, and his legal team, do not endorse this drama.
Mark Newby, Jeremy’s solicitor, has written to ITV requesting that owing to the sensitivity in the current legal approaches that have been made to the High Court that the drama at the very least be postponed. Mr Newby of Quality Solicitors Jordans wrote:
“We have written to the producers of the Drama Series and invited them to postpone the broadcast of this series whilst matters are resolved in the High Court . We have intimated that we are concerned that such a drama series by its nature will place a fictitious narrative in the public domain which may be counter productive to the administration of justice in due course.”
We sincerely hope that in the interests of fairness and justice that ITV accede to this request.https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/case

Did Bamber, Mark Newby or the CT ever contact the Crimes that shook Britain series producers asking for them to postpone ?

‘Crimes That Shook Britain is a television series first aired in 2008 on Crime & Investigation UK, focusing on uncovering the truth behind crimes that shocked the nation.[4] Some episodes were also rebroadcast in random episode order from 2014 to 2019, on Channel 5 originally under the title Britain's Worst Crimes.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_That_Shook_Britain

[Nicholas]

Without a timeline of when Bamber was ‘bedding’ who the real picture of how he was treating JM at that time isn’t clear

The fact ‘no women’ has come forward doesn’t suggest Bamber wasn’t violent - there could be various reasons why they’ve chosen to not come forward and he’s a convicted mass murderer and child killer after all


As for his abuse of others - it’s all there if you choose to see it

Who did Bamber meet at ‘The Chequers on a night out with Charles Marsden’ ?

What date was that and was this yet another person he cheated on JM with?

Was this ‘Anne’ from Colchester or someone else?

[Nicholas]

Was this ‘Anne’ from Colchester or someone else?

Take it Bamber and the CT have ‘Anne’ and Anji & Virginia Greaves witness statements as these aren’t on their list for disclosure

[Nicholas]

Take it Bamber and the CT have ‘Anne’ and Anji & Virginia Greaves witness statements as these aren’t on their list for disclosure

Here’s the list, via Peter Tatchell here https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jeremy-bamber-police-evidence-withheld-32-years/


”These are the documents, recordings and photos requested:

Original manuscript/handwritten logs by Malcolm Bonnett (civilian telephone operator at police HQ) and PC West showing that Nevill Bamber (father of Jeremy Bamber) called the police saying: ‘daughter gone berserk’ and ‘has got hold of one of my guns’. There are two separate logs: one pertaining to Jeremy Bamber and one pertaining to Nevill Bamber.

Malcolm Bonnett’s original handwritten statements dated 13.09.85, 08.11.85 and 16.12.85 referring to: ‘Mr Bamber and ‘Mr Bamber Junior’.

Original situation report made by PS Bews following the sighting of someone alive in White House Farm that he saw through a bedroom window prompting him to request firearms assistance.

Original statements made on 07.08.85 by PS Bews and PC Myall who saw movement in a bedroom window of White House Farm.

DI Kenneally’s 06.09.85 report following his investigation stating Sheila Caffell (sister of Jeremy Bamber) was responsible for shooting her family and then herself.

Plus DI Kenneally’s statement made post trial for the Dickinson enquiry (1986).

Audio recordings of:

PC West’s calls to HQ operator Malcolm Bonnett
All radio traffic referred to by Malcolm Bonnett
The raid team’s open microphones
PC Milbank’s pocket book recording all his monitoring of the telephone line at White House Farm from 06:09 on 07.08.85.

All original handwritten statements and pocket book entries from the first case investigation of murder/suicide SC/688/85 including:

PC 7975 David Bishop statements dated 14.09.85
DI Cook statements dated 07.08.85.
DS 219 Davidson statements dated 09.08.85
DCI Jones statements dated 07.08.85
PS Mildenhall statements dated 18.09.85
Inspector Montgomery statements dated 20.08.85
Chief Inspector Wright statements dated 09.09.85
PS 36 Bews statements dated 18.09.85
PC 1902 Cracknell statements dated 17.09.85
PC 721 East statements
DC George Henderson statements
PC 1046 Maunder statements
PC 1445 Reed statements
PC 366 Shoulders statements
Original reports by forensic scientists referring to the blood in the sound moderator as identical to that of Sheila Caffell and of beneficiary Robert Boutflour (uncle of Jeremy Bamber).

Public Interest Immunity file on Julie Mugford (Jeremy Bamber’s girlfriend at the time of the killings) referring to a ‘deal’ with the Crown Prosecution Service in exchange for immunity from prosecution for five criminal offences, three of which were unknown to the jury. Plus disclosure of the Essex police file on the £25,000 News of the World deal, agreed to in November/December 1985 (pre-trial) by Julie Mugford via her solicitors.

All photographs taken of all the rooms in White House Farm including those containing firearms and all telephones in situ.

Sheila Caffell’s medical/psychiatric records referring to her conversations with her psychiatrist where she informs him she was afraid she would kill her children.

Plus Sheila’s diaries during periods where she had psychotic episodes (1983 and 1985).

All forensic scientist’s pre-trial handwritten statements, lab reports and post-trial DCI Dickinson enquiry interviews pertaining to the sound moderator(s).

[Nicholas]

Here’s the list, via Peter Tatchell here https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jeremy-bamber-police-evidence-withheld-32-years/


”These are the documents, recordings and photos requested:

Original manuscript/handwritten logs by Malcolm Bonnett (civilian telephone operator at police HQ) and PC West showing that Nevill Bamber (father of Jeremy Bamber) called the police saying: ‘daughter gone berserk’ and ‘has got hold of one of my guns’. There are two separate logs: one pertaining to Jeremy Bamber and one pertaining to Nevill Bamber.

Malcolm Bonnett’s original handwritten statements dated 13.09.85, 08.11.85 and 16.12.85 referring to: ‘Mr Bamber and ‘Mr Bamber Junior’.

Original situation report made by PS Bews following the sighting of someone alive in White House Farm that he saw through a bedroom window prompting him to request firearms assistance.

Original statements made on 07.08.85 by PS Bews and PC Myall who saw movement in a bedroom window of White House Farm.

DI Kenneally’s 06.09.85 report following his investigation stating Sheila Caffell (sister of Jeremy Bamber) was responsible for shooting her family and then herself.

Plus DI Kenneally’s statement made post trial for the Dickinson enquiry (1986).

Audio recordings of:

PC West’s calls to HQ operator Malcolm Bonnett
All radio traffic referred to by Malcolm Bonnett
The raid team’s open microphones
PC Milbank’s pocket book recording all his monitoring of the telephone line at White House Farm from 06:09 on 07.08.85.

All original handwritten statements and pocket book entries from the first case investigation of murder/suicide SC/688/85 including:

PC 7975 David Bishop statements dated 14.09.85
DI Cook statements dated 07.08.85.
DS 219 Davidson statements dated 09.08.85
DCI Jones statements dated 07.08.85
PS Mildenhall statements dated 18.09.85
Inspector Montgomery statements dated 20.08.85
Chief Inspector Wright statements dated 09.09.85
PS 36 Bews statements dated 18.09.85
PC 1902 Cracknell statements dated 17.09.85
PC 721 East statements
DC George Henderson statements
PC 1046 Maunder statements
PC 1445 Reed statements
PC 366 Shoulders statements
Original reports by forensic scientists referring to the blood in the sound moderator as identical to that of Sheila Caffell and of beneficiary Robert Boutflour (uncle of Jeremy Bamber).

Public Interest Immunity file on Julie Mugford (Jeremy Bamber’s girlfriend at the time of the killings) referring to a ‘deal’ with the Crown Prosecution Service in exchange for immunity from prosecution for five criminal offences, three of which were unknown to the jury. Plus disclosure of the Essex police file on the £25,000 News of the World deal, agreed to in November/December 1985 (pre-trial) by Julie Mugford via her solicitors.

All photographs taken of all the rooms in White House Farm including those containing firearms and all telephones in situ.

Sheila Caffell’s medical/psychiatric records referring to her conversations with her psychiatrist where she informs him she was afraid she would kill her children.

Plus Sheila’s diaries during periods where she had psychotic episodes (1983 and 1985).

All forensic scientist’s pre-trial handwritten statements, lab reports and post-trial DCI Dickinson enquiry interviews pertaining to the sound moderator(s).

So why are Bamber, his solicitor advocate Mark Newby and CT erroneously claiming JM was Bamber’s girlfriend when it’s known at least 2 days after the funerals Bamber was in relationship with Anji Greaves? And what about the other relationships he had from the time he met JM?

It was reported publicly (1986) that during committal proceedings in October 1985, counsel had stated Bamber had exerted a ‘powerful influence’ over his former girlfriend.

Evening Times Article - Tuesday 28 October 1986




To read full article click here

[Nicholas]

Trudi Benjamin
When I fist wrote to Jeremy at the tail end of 2010 I already believed that he was innocent, although I probably wasn’t exactly sure why.  I knew the basic facts of course, I had followed it in the media from day one.  You could say I had grown up with the case.   Over the last four years I have done as much in depth research as I can and I now spout with confidence (and I do often!) why I know Jeremy did not and could not have killed his family. I have spent probably 100’s of hours reading all the information that is available to me and I know the following to be true or point to Jeremy’s innocence, in no particular order and certainly not exhaustive:

•   No forensics link Jeremy to the murders.

•   There was more than one sound moderator, exhibit labels were manipulated and four moderators were passed off to the jury as one and recent forensics have revealed that the silencer wasn’t even used in the murders.
http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/tru


Didn’t Mike Tesko introduce ‘four moderators’ ?