Scene Of Crime Reconstruction

[Holly Goodhead]

David keeps posting diagrams of Sheila shooting Nevill on the stairs. Although Nevill is several feet away in these pictures,  which does not correspond with Nevill getting close range shots.

However wouldn't the 4 cartridges be several feet outside the bedroom & down several stairs. David says cartridges from that rifle travel 6 feet forward.

David seems rather reticent in posting up his diagrams here  &%+((£ 

NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs: 2 x face, 1 x shoulder (rear) and 1 x elbow/chest (rear).  The facial shots were, according to MF, fired within inches of the skin.  The other 2 shots were, again according to MF, fired at least 2 feet from the body. 

See in the following from about 4.30 in how the casings eject.  This rifle, Bushmaster, ejects upwards, backwards and to the right.  The Anshutz rifle ejects upwards, forwards and to the right.  So the Bushmaster backwards and the Anshutz forwards.  You can see how the casings all land in a similar position when the barrel is pointing in the same direction and get a feel for the height and distance they travel. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdAI9j_lDbc

You just need to play around with it in your mind's eye taking into account the casing layout diagram, layout of WHF and afaik the only available soc photos of that area. 

Sweet dreams     

[Myster]

I'd rather play around with Hot Bod. ..... 

[adam]

David seems rather reticent in posting up his diagrams here  &%+((£ 

NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs: 2 x face, 1 x shoulder (rear) and 1 x elbow/chest (rear).  The facial shots were, according to MF, fired within inches of the skin.  The other 2 shots were, again according to MF, fired at least 2 feet from the body. 

See in the following from about 4.30 in how the casings eject.  This rifle, Bushmaster, ejects upwards, backwards and to the right.  The Anshutz rifle ejects upwards, forwards and to the right.  So the Bushmaster backwards and the Anshutz forwards.  You can see how the casings all land in a similar position when the barrel is pointing in the same direction and get a feel for the height and distance they travel. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdAI9j_lDbc

You just need to play around with it in your mind's eye taking into account the casing layout diagram, layout of WHF and afaik the only available soc photos of that area. 

Sweet dreams 

Hopefully David will explain how Sheila shot Nevill standing at the bedroom door, but the four cartridges didn't travel 6 feet forward well into the hallway and onto the stairs.

He has also said this week via a diagram that - "the position of the rifle in the photos. Is the correct and original location". Which means Sheila was not touched by the police. But then didn't answer my question on who then pulled Sheila's legs after the second shot.

[Samson]

I'd rather play around with Hot Bod. ..... 

So would Teresa May.
As long as ostriches rule, your system stands unassailable.
How delightful for Stephen Kitchko and Jeremy Bamber.

I must say Myster, you are a clone of the Amanda Knox guilters.

[Myster]

So would Teresa May.
As long as ostriches rule, your system stands unassailable.
How delightful for Stephen Kitchko and Jeremy Bamber.

I must say Myster, you are a clone of the Amanda Knox guilters.

You're obsession with May isn't healthy.  I've studied this case for longer and more intensively than you have and Bamber is most definitely guilty.

[Myster]

David seems rather reticent in posting up his diagrams here  &%+((£ 

NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs: 2 x face, 1 x shoulder (rear) and 1 x elbow/chest (rear).  The facial shots were, according to MF, fired within inches of the skin.  The other 2 shots were, again according to MF, fired at least 2 feet from the body. 

See in the following from about 4.30 in how the casings eject.  This rifle, Bushmaster, ejects upwards, backwards and to the right.  The Anshutz rifle ejects upwards, forwards and to the right.  So the Bushmaster backwards and the Anshutz forwards.  You can see how the casings all land in a similar position when the barrel is pointing in the same direction and get a feel for the height and distance they travel. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdAI9j_lDbc

You just need to play around with it in your mind's eye taking into account the casing layout diagram, layout of WHF and afaik the only available soc photos of that area. 

Sweet dreams 

All of which in the end proves nothing, because JB could already have been upstairs, holed up in his own bedroom, or bathroom, or toilet, biding his time until Nevill had gone downstairs to investigate any disturbance, after which he sneaked into the master bedroom to shoot June before encountering Nevill again as he came back up.  Casing positions beside the bedroom door or on the landing are thus rendered useless in identifying the shooter.

[adam]

All of which in the end proves nothing, because JB could already have been upstairs, holed up in his own bedroom, or bathroom, or toilet, biding his time until Nevill had gone downstairs to investigate any disturbance, after which he sneaked into the master bedroom to shoot June before encountering Nevill again as he came back up.  Casing positions beside the bedroom door or on the landing are thus rendered useless in identifying the shooter.

I don't believe Bamber hid anywhere. He just went straight to the main bedroom & started shooting June & Nevill.

The cartridges ejecting forward 6 feet forward, as David says they would do explains why some are near the bedroom door.

[John]

I don't believe Bamber hid anywhere. He just went straight to the main bedroom & started shooting June & Nevill.

The cartridges ejecting forward 6 feet forward, as David says they would do explains why some are near the bedroom door.

I agree, the only logical way most of the casings associated with the bedroom shots were found in the bedroom was if they were fired from within or at the entrance.   Had the shooter been on the stairs or the landing the casings would not have ended up inside the master bedroom.

[Myster]

I don't believe Bamber hid anywhere. He just went straight to the main bedroom & started shooting June & Nevill.

The cartridges ejecting forward 6 feet forward, as David says they would do explains why some are near the bedroom door.

Neither do I... that was just a counter-argument to Holly's assertion. It was a case of in through the shower room/toilet window, collect the rifle, then straight upstairs to do the deed. His parents might have been alerted by the noise of the sash being slid open, or toiletries being knocked off the sill, or Crispy barking from his kitchen bed. His plan nearly went to pot because the victims were aware, so he panicked, hence the haphazard shooting resulting in wounds to various parts of their bodies.

[John]

The suggestion oft aired that a third party gunman was involved is well dispelled these days because no hitman would rely on picking up a rifle at the crimescene.  Hitmen use their own weapons for a very good reason.

[APRIL]

The suggestion oft aired that a third party gunman was involved is well dispelled these days because no hitman would rely on picking up a rifle at the crimescene.  Hitmen use their own weapons for a very good reason.

What self-respecting hit man is going to break into a house on the off chance of finding a suitable weapon?

[Samson]

You're obsession with May isn't healthy.  I've studied this case for longer and more intensively than you have and Bamber is most definitely guilty.

I don't have an obsession with May. In Westminster democracy the PM can pardon. Bamber is innocent and he should be pardoned, the conviction annulled and his property returned.
Thatcher Major Blair and Cameron should all have done this. May is the incumbent and has the ethical obligation until she is replaced.
Length of time studying the case is irrelevant if you have reached the wrong conclusion.

[Myster]

I don't have an obsession with May. In Westminster democracy the PM can pardon. Bamber is innocent and he should be pardoned, the conviction annulled and his property returned.
Thatcher Major Blair and Cameron should all have done this. May is the incumbent and has the ethical obligation until she is replaced.
Length of time studying the case is irrelevant if you have reached the wrong conclusion.

Theresa May has far, far more important things to occupy her time than the fate of a five times murderer... such as getting rid of those interfering European busybodies for starters.

Bamber was driven by greed for gain and had nothing but contempt for his adoptive family. The savvy cops saw through his lies, so did the jury, but you still see him as a saint! Go figure.

[david1819]

David seems rather reticent in posting up his diagrams here  &%+((£ 

Well, considering my "rudimentary' IT skills" and the ostensible idea that everything I have is stolen. I didn't think id have anything interesting to post really.




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[John]

First problem for you David is that Nevill would never have turned his back on Sheila.  He would have taken her down in a single lunge.  In reality it is very easy to confront a shooter with a rifle compared to one with a handgun and especially if the shooter is an average female.

Second difficulty is that Jeremy makes no mention of shots being heard over the telephone or that Nevill mentioned having been shot.  I don't believe that is something he would have forgotten to mention.

ps  nice graphics tho, pity you wasted the effort on an unsustainable theory.