Panorama Special on 10th Anniversary

[slartibartfast]

As I have posted before the police force investigating the Moira Anderson disappearance thought that her body might also have been concealed in a similar fashion so, although I don't subscribe to this particular theory, it is not as far fetched as some would have us believe.

On a side note while you yourself were a ardent opposer, and quite rightly so, of Sonia Poulton doorstepping Kate McCann several years ago what are your feelings on Bilton haranguing an obviously mentally disabled man or rudely questioning a gentleman, who was never even an arguido, at his place of work?

You almost wonder why it is pooh poohed so quickly.

[ShiningInLuz]

I was mistaken that there had been a name change ... it is still the Ocean Club ... and basically that is all you needed to say.

Interestingly though while checking that out I came across quite a few reviews which while praising much about the benefits of Luz also gave an indication of precisely why the economic downturn and lack of investment has much more to do with any perceived decline than Madeleine's case does.

Lots of renovation needed
We used to own a house as part of the club but our kids grew up so we sold up.
We still visit every 12 months or so as we love Luz and have lots of friends there that we catch up with. We always stay on the Ocean Club site so that we can use the facilities and also holiday with our owner friends.

The Club has gone on a roller coaster ride, not only because of the 'Madeleine' incident which has cast a cloud over the resort for no fault of its own, but the recession and change of ownership have also taken their toll.

The club needs a lot of money spending on it. There were 4 pools, we understand that the 'adult' pool is closed for good - too costly to repair, the indoor Palm Bay pool is no longer part of the club and is also closed, the main 'pot' pool at the top of the resort is due to have major alterations and will be closed for summer.
That leaves the garden pool or waterside as it was called.
This is a lovely pool but will be nowhere big enough this summer.....both the pot pool and this used to be full of Sun worshippers and kids ....one pool will never manage.
The tennis courts are very tired and need re surfacing at least.

There were few staff around, we used to see gardeners all the time but none at all in our 10 day stay. In fact we only saw 3 staff in all our visits to reception and the pool.

The roadways and paths in resort also need sorting, we think UK roads are poor - these are far worse.

A lot of tidying is needed, gardening and weeding, painting and general cleaning.

Luz itself is the saddest we have seen it in 15 years , albeit this was Easter it is hard to see how much can be sorted before the main tourist season. At least there is less building work going on and very few cranes.

It won't stop us going 'out of season' again but never in the summer.
We were told that the club is going to be full/very busy for this summer - it will be a bit tight around the pool if there is only one in operation. Fingers crossed it is tidied up as well as it does look a bit sad.

Ps the beach is still great !
Room Tip: Try and get a property in Ocean Club Gardens as they are the newest
Stayed: April 2017, travelled with family

Garden Pool
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g776012-d229314-Reviews-Luz_Ocean_Club-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html


"The Gym was closed, and had been for some time judging by the old dusty equipment. The spa and poolside activities did not exist and one poolside bar and restaurant were closed – in peak season!! Maybe we were unlucky, but our apartment was dirty and wasn’t serviced properly during our stay.
SusanY 51    August 2015

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g776012-d229314-Reviews-Luz_Ocean_Club-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html


With reference to discussion about speedy driving outside Luz ... it seems the cops are not the only ones to inspire terror.


"  ... or a mad airport taxi driver (on his mobile continually looking for a return fare whilst doing 100+ km per hour - hairy or what?) but only took 45 minutes (of terror)."
Debbie F     2014
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g776012-d229314-Reviews-Luz_Ocean_Club-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html

Is it possible you could be a bit more positive?

I asked about a name change because lots of the signs in the area have changed.  The Tapas zone is now signed the Garden Club.  Reception is now branded the Palm Bay.

And why did you pick the negative reviews, when there are plenty of positive ones on tripadvisor?

The roads and pavements are fine, whatever so and so from Little Britain thinks.

Luz, in general, is getting on with life.  The Ocean Club died as a result of the Madeleine effect.  If you want a cite, check your tripadvisor link.

Misrepresentation will not help Madeleine.   

[faithlilly]

You almost wonder why it is pooh poohed so quickly.

Indeed.

[ferryman]

As I have posted before the police force investigating the Moira Anderson disappearance thought that her body might also have been concealed in a similar fashion so, although I don't subscribe to this particular theory, it is not as far fetched as some would have us believe.

On a side note while you yourself were a ardent opposer, and quite rightly so, of Sonia Poulton doorstepping Kate McCann several years ago what are your feelings on Bilton haranguing an obviously mentally disabled man or rudely questioning a gentleman, who was never even an arguido, at his place of work?

I hope you don't object to time, money and resources being devoted to this, now, 60 year-old crime, particularly when the perpetrator is almost certainly dead.  The relatives of Moira Anderson certainly seem quite grateful

"I have been in contact with Moira's sisters and made them aware of the outcome of the search and although they are naturally disappointed, they remain positive that this continues to be a live investigation."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39374162

[Alfie]

As I have posted before the police force investigating the Moira Anderson disappearance thought that her body might also have been concealed in a similar fashion so, although I don't subscribe to this particular theory, it is not as far fetched as some would have us believe.

On a side note while you yourself were a ardent opposer, and quite rightly so, of Sonia Poulton doorstepping Kate McCann several years ago what are your feelings on Bilton haranguing an obviously mentally disabled man or rudely questioning a gentleman, who was never even an arguido, at his place of work?

If it's not a far fetched theory then perhaps you can cite some instances when this method of murder victim body disposal has actually been used?

[Alfie]

You almost wonder why it is pooh poohed so quickly.

Hmmm....could it be that us supporters have been let into the secret and are trying very very hard to deflect from what was actually the real method of body disposal???  Oh no, rumbled!!

[Alice Purjorick]

You almost wonder why it is pooh poohed so quickly.

Especially as, potentially, it offers so much.
I notice we have three mods out and about so this can be whooshed if someone thinks it is too close to the knuckle and/or the board is tickle-stomached.
1 The cremation with someone else offers some solace on religious grounds.
2. It offers less or more an out from under wrt to human rights to whit depriving someone of a decent burial.
3. And in the UK at least the potential, with a bit of skilful tap dancing from a brief, of an out from under a life sentence for "prevention of the lawful and decent burial of a dead body".
Please note what I am not saying nor have said nor have implied.

[faithlilly]

If it's not a far fetched theory then perhaps you can cite some instances when this method of murder victim body disposal has actually been used?

The North Lanarkshire police found it credible I think that's all we need to know.

[Mr Gray]

The downturn in Luz has other causes than Maddie
The resort seems run down and outdated
Limited or no wi fi
Many families are opting for all inclusive now
It's just being used to heap more blame on the mccanns

[ShiningInLuz]

The downturn in Luz has other causes than Maddie
The resort seems run down and outdated
Limited or no wi fi
Many families are opting for all inclusive now
It's just being used to heap more blame on the mccanns

You haven't visited so you haven't got a clue.

The downturn in the Ocean Club fortunes had a Madeleine component.

That you appear to not like this truth is not my problem.

[Mr Gray]

You haven't visited so you haven't got a clue.

The downturn in the Ocean Club fortunes had a Madeleine component.

That you appear to not like this truth is not my problem.

I don't have to visit its common sense combined with reading some reviews
Poor wifi is a massive turn off these days
Do you know the details seeing as you have been there and I haven't
I do
And the growth in all inclusive
The vast majority of people are probably unaware as to where in Portugal Maddie was abducted from

[Eleanor]

I have been managing Holiday Rental Properties in France for more than twenty years, and there was a definite downturn ten years ago, due to The Exchange Rate.  The bookings went down by nearly half.  And never quite recovered.

Wifi?  No Wifi and they don't want to know.  Fortunately, Broad Band is very good in this area.  But I had one couple with three children who complained to Brittany Ferries and moved out the next day.

[Mr Gray]

The villas in PDL are privately owned an ot

[ShiningInLuz]

I don't have to visit its common sense combined with reading some reviews
Poor wifi is a massive turn off these days
Do you know the details seeing as you have been there and I haven't
I do
And the growth in all inclusive
The vast majority of people are probably unaware as to where in Portugal Maddie was abducted from

How do you think I have connected to the forum all these years - by snail mail?

What does 'the vast majority of people are probably unaware' have to do with whether the Ocean Club has suffered a Madeleine effect.

The Ocean Club has suffered a Madeleine effect.

[slartibartfast]

Especially as, potentially, it offers so much.
I notice we have three mods out and about so this can be whooshed if someone thinks it is too close to the knuckle and/or the board is tickle-stomached.
1 The cremation with someone else offers some solace on religious grounds.
2. It offers less or more an out from under wrt to human rights to whit depriving someone of a decent burial.
3. And in the UK at least the potential, with a bit of skilful tap dancing from a brief, of an out from under a life sentence for "prevention of the lawful and decent burial of a dead body".
Please note what I am not saying nor have said nor have implied.

Very true.