Operation Grange announcement imminent.

[Alfie]

Alice - not pretentious?!   *&*%£

[Mr Gray]

I see the Portugal Resident has gone with 'my opinion' of the rape whistles 'news'.

Since you rate your opinion as having no value, your opinion about what I am doing has no value, IYO.

 

Im talking about posters opinion  re this case and similarly what you are doing has no value to this case ...as regards The Resident...I hate to dissappoint you but they havent gone with your opinion...its just your opinion is the same as theirs

[Mr Gray]

I have sent OG multiple snippets of information based on what was in the Files at the time.

As to whether the one I consider is most pertinent was worthwhile, who knows.  I can't resolve it.  Perhaps the PJ did back in 2007.  Perhaps OG has now.  Perhaps OG is pursuing it as a line of enquiry, but if they are, there is no activity to suggest this is the case.

Other than the information that the 4 arguidos are no longer considered persons of interest and lines (plural) of enquiry remain, the 'statement' says little else.  It is 10th anniversary SY PR.

Kindly do not have a dig at my motives.

perhaps you should stop having continual digs at other posters...it merely reflects badly on you

[ShiningInLuz]

perhaps you should stop having continual digs at other posters...it merely reflects badly on you

Since I am not having continual digs at other posters, your current post is about as valuable as your opinion.

 

[Mr Gray]

Since I am not having continual digs at other posters, your current post is about as valuable as your opinion.

 

you are having continual digs at me... quite a few of those recent posts heve been reported and removed.....you should behave yourself

[ShiningInLuz]

you are having continual digs at me... quite a few of those recent posts heve been reported and removed.....you should behave yourself

Many posts have been removed for all sorts of reasons.

To date it appears I have been adjudged conformant with the forum rules.

 

[Mr Gray]

Many posts have been removed for all sorts of reasons.

To date it appears I have been adjudged conformant with the forum rules.

 

the fact you have had posts removed suggests not....perhaps best to leave it there now

[ShiningInLuz]

the fact you have had posts removed suggests not....perhaps best to leave it there now

Why?  Have you now become a moderator?  Oh no, I see that cannot be correct.


 

[G-Unit]

And some people are absolutely convinced it didn't - you appear to fall into that category.

Do I? Are you absolutely sure? It would help if someone could present a believable description of who, when and how.

[pathfinder73]

Retired Scotland Yard detective chief inspector Mick Neville travelled to the small Algarve town of Praia da Luz with The Sun

However, the terms of reference of Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange is focused on Madeleine having been abducted.

Mr Neville says: “It is good practice to keep all options open until it is proved otherwise.

“Though there is no evidence to suggest complicity, it means Kate, Gerry and their friends can never be totally eliminated by police from all suspicion until it is known what happened to Madeleine.”

He adds: “I do not find it realistic that a single kidnapper could have carried Madeleine out of the window or dropped her to the ground.

"She would have made too much noise. However, he could have passed her through the window to an accomplice which would suggest a conspiracy.

“A single abductor would have carried her out of the front door and closed it behind him.”

Mr Neville dismisses suggestions Madeleine could have left the apartment by herself.

“She would not have gone out of the window or the front door by herself,” he said.

“Had she left by the patio door she would have gone towards her parents in the restaurant and would not have closed it behind her.”

Instead, the inquiry focused on a sighting by an Irish tourist just before 10pm of another man walking past him carrying a child 400 yards from the McCann apartment and heading towards the sea.

Mr Neville said : “It is a credible sighting and his route would have taken him out of the car park area in front of the Ocean Club apartments and down a quiet and secluded street, Rue Escol Primarie.”

The route would have passed a CCTV camera outside the Hotel Estrella da Luz.

But by the time Portuguese police arrived to collect it, the film had been erased.

Mr Neville said: “It was potentially a golden opportunity to secure an image of the man and child he was carrying.“

I wonder if the hard drive was ever checked because sometimes CCTV images can still be there even if they have been wiped.”

But Mr Neville said the Portuguese do deserve credit for finding CCTV from the Paraiso beach bar restaurant in the resort which showed the Tapas Seven inside at a table at teatime on the day Madeleine went missing.

He said: “A lip reader should analyse the film because it could help to eliminate any suspicions the Portuguese police had about the McCanns.“

If something had happened to Madeleine by then, they would surely be talking about it.”

Full article here
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3425308/former-top-cop-says-security-at-portuguese-resort-where-madeleine-mccann-went-missing-is-as-bad-now-as-it-was-10-years-ago/

[Alfie]

Do I? Are you absolutely sure? It would help if someone could present a believable description of who, when and how.

No I'm not absolutely sure because you go all coy when asked outright what you think, but you certainly give the impression that you think abduction is completely far-fetched and unlikely, despite the fact that there was very clearly a window of opportunity and a means of entry to the apartment.

[Brietta]

I have sent OG multiple snippets of information based on what was in the Files at the time.

As to whether the one I consider is most pertinent was worthwhile, who knows.  I can't resolve it.  Perhaps the PJ did back in 2007.  Perhaps OG has now.  Perhaps OG is pursuing it as a line of enquiry, but if they are, there is no activity to suggest this is the case.

Other than the information that the 4 arguidos are no longer considered persons of interest and lines (plural) of enquiry remain, the 'statement' says little else.  It is 10th anniversary SY PR.

Kindly do not have a dig at my motives.

If I chose to take 'a dig' at your motives there will be no ambiguity about it ... you will be told.  If you choose to have a play on words ... I can join in the play ... invited or not.

The assurance was given that information received was actioned and decisions made to its relevance or not.  You have done your duty (certainly as a human being) when you passed on what you thought to be relevant information to the inquiry.

It is no longer your intellectual property, it belongs to the investigation.

I appreciate your interest in and the hope that information you have passed on is useful ...  but I think it is unrealistic to expect to have knowledge of what has been done with what you believe to be relevant information.
Which if of relevance to something in Luz is probably being dealt with by the Policia Judiciaria.

It is worth bearing in mind the PJ physically cased Luz for quite some time before making the decision to reopen Madeleine's case ... unnoticed or unremarked by most.
Your information may be being dealt with in the same unobtrusive way.

[ShiningInLuz]

If I chose to take 'a dig' at your motives there will be no ambiguity about it ... you will be told.  If you choose to have a play on words ... I can join in the play ... invited or not.

The assurance was given that information received was actioned and decisions made to its relevance or not.  You have done your duty (certainly as a human being) when you passed on what you thought to be relevant information to the inquiry.

It is no longer your intellectual property, it belongs to the investigation.

I appreciate your interest in and the hope that information you have passed on is useful ...  but I think it is unrealistic to expect to have knowledge of what has been done with what you believe to be relevant information.
Which if of relevance to something in Luz is probably being dealt with by the Policia Judiciaria.

It is worth bearing in mind the PJ physically cased Luz for quite some time before making the decision to reopen Madeleine's case ... unnoticed or unremarked by most.
Your information may be being dealt with in the same unobtrusive way.

Cite for physically cased Luz for quite some time before re-opening the case.  I am not being nit-picky here, because I wasn't in Luz at the time, but I have never heard of it.  I did see officers on the streets in the run up to the June 2014 dig, obviously doing some planning.

The information I have was passed on to OG last year.  I have not passed it to the PJ, for the simple reason that, based on previous example, my private details would get made public when this phase gets archived.  That same information is in the hands of others, who have a better chance of progressing this than I, an anonymous little oink in Portugal, have within my power.

The number of interesting contacts is currently 5 and counting.  I may well get frazzled again, but I consider it a risk worth taking.  And I consider it a risk worth taking as there is a glimmer of hope in the sky.

This is not aimed at you personally, Brietta, but there is an entirely predictable chance that one supporter or another will claim I am doing this for euros, for 5 minutes of fame, to feed my ego, whatever.  So I am stacking in advance that I will not take a cent, I have requested total anonymity, and my ego is not in need of feeding.  There is about a 1% chance of progressing our knowledge of Madeleine's disappearance, and on that tiniest of chances I am willing to put in the effort and take the risk.

At the moment, supporters are not doing Madeleine any favours.  This is not the time for the type of propaganda I have seen recently.  There is a small window of opportunity here.  It is time to seize the moment.

[Brietta]

Cite for physically cased Luz for quite some time before re-opening the case.  I am not being nit-picky here, because I wasn't in Luz at the time, but I have never heard of it.  I did see officers on the streets in the run up to the June 2014 dig, obviously doing some planning.

The information I have was passed on to OG last year.  I have not passed it to the PJ, for the simple reason that, based on previous example, my private details would get made public when this phase gets archived.  That same information is in the hands of others, who have a better chance of progressing this than I, an anonymous little oink in Portugal, have within my power.

The number of interesting contacts is currently 5 and counting.  I may well get frazzled again, but I consider it a risk worth taking.  And I consider it a risk worth taking as there is a glimmer of hope in the sky.

This is not aimed at you personally, Brietta, but there is an entirely predictable chance that one supporter or another will claim I am doing this for euros, for 5 minutes of fame, to feed my ego, whatever.  So I am stacking in advance that I will not take a cent, I have requested total anonymity, and my ego is not in need of feeding.  There is about a 1% chance of progressing our knowledge of Madeleine's disappearance, and on that tiniest of chances I am willing to put in the effort and take the risk.

At the moment, supporters are not doing Madeleine any favours.  This is not the time for the type of propaganda I have seen recently.  There is a small window of opportunity here.  It is time to seize the moment.

"Cite for physically cased Luz for quite some time before re-opening the case.  I am not being nit-picky here, because I wasn't in Luz at the time, but I have never heard of it."


Yes you have.

You have heard of it in an early post you made on this forum asking for exactly that information.

I supplied it.

I provided a cite for the information I provided.

Check out your posting history here and you may find your memory will be jogged.

[Mr Gray]

Cite for physically cased Luz for quite some time before re-opening the case.  I am not being nit-picky here, because I wasn't in Luz at the time, but I have never heard of it.  I did see officers on the streets in the run up to the June 2014 dig, obviously doing some planning.

The information I have was passed on to OG last year.  I have not passed it to the PJ, for the simple reason that, based on previous example, my private details would get made public when this phase gets archived.  That same information is in the hands of others, who have a better chance of progressing this than I, an anonymous little oink in Portugal, have within my power.

The number of interesting contacts is currently 5 and counting.  I may well get frazzled again, but I consider it a risk worth taking.  And I consider it a risk worth taking as there is a glimmer of hope in the sky.

This is not aimed at you personally, Brietta, but there is an entirely predictable chance that one supporter or another will claim I am doing this for euros, for 5 minutes of fame, to feed my ego, whatever.  So I am stacking in advance that I will not take a cent, I have requested total anonymity, and my ego is not in need of feeding.  There is about a 1% chance of progressing our knowledge of Madeleine's disappearance, and on that tiniest of chances I am willing to put in the effort and take the risk.

At the moment, supporters are not doing Madeleine any favours.  This is not the time for the type of propaganda I have seen recently.  There is a small window of opportunity here.  It is time to seize the moment.

i dont think you aredoing it for any of the reasons you have quoted I think you are doing it because you genuinely believe you can help.... I think you are misguided...as is your criricism of supporters