What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.

[stephen25000]

The reason his theory  is so strong is that noone who believes the McCanns a) had the opportunity and b) the motive and c) the brazen chutzpah and acting skills to maintain a lie for 10years has been able to put forward a rational and plausible theory of parental involvement, and that is a fact.  If I am wrong kindly point me in the right direction.

One could say Alfie, they have no choice.

After all, without an abduction, where are the McCann's ?

[Angelo222]

There is only one solution in my opinion - Tracker dogs suggest she wandered
Cadaver dog suggest a dead body was in the apartment.
Solution the dead body was not Madeleine.  Madeleine was abducted from the road.

There are many reasons and substances to which a cadaver dog can alert but with a properly trained scent dog you usually get what you asked for.

[Alfie]

Probably.

I very much doubt it but would be happy to be proven wrong.  I have followed this case for 10 years and have yet to read one, how about you?

[Angelo222]

Eddie did his stuff in the Harron case (contributed to putting a vicious murderer behind bars) but contributed nothing to the Prout case, where the dog seems to have been involved from the start.

However, it was not publicised that Eddie had been involved in the Prout case until after Prout's trial because uncorroborated cadaver dog alerts are inadmissible as evidence in court cases.

Prout made such a good job of hiding his wife that even Eddie couldn't find the burial site.  He did find cadaver scent however in the family bungalow which no doubt was transfer from her killers clothing and boots.

[Alfie]

Seriously, all you sceptics, in your quiet and reflective  moments, when you are not sat here trying to score points, when you are deep in thought and trying to make sense of this case, have you been able to piece together in your minds a coherent theory of parental involvement that makes total and convincing sense to you?

[stephen25000]

I very much doubt it but would be happy to be proven wrong.  I have followed this case for 10 years and have yet to read one, how about you?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, one you agreed with, and that won't be happening, will it.

[stephen25000]

Seriously, all you sceptics, in your quiet and reflective  moments, when you are not sat here trying to score points, when you are deep in thought and trying to make sense of this case, have you been able to piece together in your minds a coherent theory of parental involvement that makes total and convincing sense to you?

There is a major difference between involvement and potential cover-up.

Like I said Alfie, without an abduction, where does that leave the McCann's, and they have claimed abduction from virtually the start.

I will await your answer.

[Mr Gray]

Yet the indications remain.

How many other crime scenes have been contaminated, yet forensic dogs have been deployed and indicated correctly ?

If you have a look at Eddie' s CV you will find it is very very limited

[barrier]

Seriously, all you sceptics, in your quiet and reflective  moments, when you are not sat here trying to score points, when you are deep in thought and trying to make sense of this case, have you been able to piece together in your minds a coherent theory of parental involvement that makes total and convincing sense to you?

Myself and Scotland Yard don't have a clue to what happened if that makes me a sceptic fair enough, doesn't mean to say I have to have a theory into what happened either.The more SY rule out the harder the narrative of an abduction is to follow.

[Alfie]

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, one you agreed with, and that won't be happening, will it.

No, I mean one that made me slap my forehead and go "of course!  That makes perfect sense, that's how they could have done it!"

[Alfie]

There is a major difference between involvement and potential cover-up.

Like I said Alfie, without an abduction, where does that leave the McCann's, and they have claimed abduction from virtually the start.

I will await your answer.

I don't understand your question sorry, please re-phrase.

[Brietta]

For several reasons.  The GNR were right there hours after Madeleine disappeared with dogs which were trained to follow a specific scent.   They were totally impartial and were working blind with no external distractions.  We know the police were given items belonging to Madeleine so it is to be expected that it was her fresh scent trail which they followed.

The cadaver and CSI dogs on the other hand came to the crimescene very late on after numerous other people had rented both the apartment and the hire car. We know the conditions under which the inspections were carried out were attroicious in forensic terms and we know that the McCanns hire car was a target from the off.

If the GNR dogs were indeed following Madeleine's scent I think the fact that both followed it to the car park opposite the reception area may indicate that she was taken to a vehicle which was parked there to wait for her.

I don't think there was any RTA.

The route followed by the GNR dogs was a secluded, dark and sheltered one with boundary walls from start to finish until the end of the lane behind apartment 5a.
Perhaps the nature of the route helped to preserve the scent because I don't think they checked it out immediately ... but only when all else had failed.

I agree the Portuguese dogs and handlers did an excellent job.

[Alfie]

Myself and Scotland Yard don't have a clue to what happened if that makes me a sceptic fair enough, doesn't mean to say I have to have a theory into what happened either.The more SY rule out the harder the narrative of an abduction is to follow.

SY have a theory, of course they do.  They may evn have more than one but you can sure they make some sort of plausible and coherent narrative.  My problem with many of those who doubt the parents is that they are happy just to doubt without making any attempt whatsoever to give serious thought as to how all their doubts cohere into a plausible theory. 

[stephen25000]

I don't understand your question sorry, please re-phrase.

Very easy really.

If there was no abduction, where does it leave the McCann's ?

[ShiningInLuz]

Where Horrocks says "I also found that by turning right from the apartment he could have been totally out of sight within 30 seconds of leaving the apartment." do you think that is from the front or back door pathway?

You can do it from both, but he was talking about the front door.