What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.

[pathfinder73]

What on earth are you on about?  Please don't be facetious.  We are talking about your belief that Gerry McCann was seeing carrying a corpse not on any wasteland, not on a dark tennis court but bold as brass on a street in the centre of a holiday resort before closing time, by nine eye witnesses.

The unidentified man went past the wasteland/tennis courts to that sighting. It's hardly rocket science - 5A leads there and explains why he wasn't seen until he met the Smiths. That cctv camera could have captured him.

[ShiningInLuz]

The unidentified man went past the wasteland/tennis courts to that sighting. It's hardly rocket science - 5A leads there and explains why he wasn't seen until he met the Smiths. That cctv camera could have captured him.

There is no CCTV that would have captured an image of Smithman.

The Estrela da Luz CCTV all points inwards, as required by Portuguese law.

[misty]

There is no CCTV that would have captured an image of Smithman.

The Estrela da Luz CCTV all points inwards, as required by Portuguese law.

It would have captured the Smith family returning, though, as Brietta pointed out many moons ago. It would have verified the time of their return.

[ShiningInLuz]

It would have captured the Smith family returning, though, as Brietta pointed out many moons ago. It would have verified the time of their return.

Indeed.

But 23 days after Madeleine disappeared, the chance to verify the time of the Smith sighting was a bit passé.

We have to work with poorer fodder.

[pathfinder73]

Indeed.

But 23 days after Madeleine disappeared, the chance to verify the time of the Smith sighting was a bit passé.

We have to work with poorer fodder.

SY should have the right time by now. One out of nine probably knows the actual time if they were leaving earlier that night. Surely one would have checked the time. Aoife said she knew the time in her statement for that very reason and she said it was 10pm when they left Kelly's bar.

Regarding the 3rd of May, 2007, she went, with all her family, to eat at the Dolphin restaurant, which is close to Kelly's Bar. When they left the restaurant, around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes.
— Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left because her father and her brother decided to leave early that night. There were two reasons for this: one was the fact that her sister-in-law was not feeling very well and the other was because her brother, sister-in-law, nephew and son of her sister-in-law finished their holiday the next day and had to catch the morning flight returning to Ireland.  (Aoife Smith)

[faithlilly]

What nonsense.  Horrocks theory supports abduction, not the parents.  Now tell us why his theory is illogical and implausible, and why don't you point us in the direction of a better one?  I've looked up Peter Mac btw and he seems to believe Madeleine died on the 29th April - do you think that's more plausible then?  While you're at it perhaps you can explain why Peter Mac hasn't been sued by the McCanns...?

Horrock's theory is as logical and plausible as most other theories I have heard but is, like those, merely speculative and therefore should be given the same weight. As to pM not being sued by the McCanns, if he had presented his theory in a national tabloid I'm sure he and it would have been.

[Brietta]

SY should have the right time by now. One out of nine probably knows the actual time if they were leaving earlier that night. Surely one would have checked the time. Aoife said she knew the time in her statement for that very reason and she said it was 10pm when they left Kelly's bar.

Regarding the 3rd of May, 2007, she went, with all her family, to eat at the Dolphin restaurant, which is close to Kelly's Bar. When they left the restaurant, around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes.
— Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left because her father and her brother decided to leave early that night. There were two reasons for this: one was the fact that her sister-in-law was not feeling very well and the other was because her brother, sister-in-law, nephew and son of her sister-in-law finished their holiday the next day and had to catch the morning flight returning to Ireland.  (Aoife Smith)

— They came on holiday for about 10 days, having returned to Ireland on 9 May 2007. (She is not absolutely certain of the day). (Aoife Smith)

Don't you think you place an awful lot of confidence in the recollection of a child who could not remember what day it was she travelled home after her holiday?

[pathfinder73]

— They came on holiday for about 10 days, having returned to Ireland on 9 May 2007. (She is not absolutely certain of the day). (Aoife Smith)

Don't you think you place an awful lot of confidence in the recollection of a child who could not remember what day it was she travelled home after her holiday?

She knew it was the last night for some and she was correct. That clearly stands out to her so it's not unusual. She was 12 years old not an adult who should know about flight schedules/dates.

[faithlilly]

— They came on holiday for about 10 days, having returned to Ireland on 9 May 2007. (She is not absolutely certain of the day). (Aoife Smith)

Don't you think you place an awful lot of confidence in the recollection of a child who could not remember what day it was she travelled home after her holiday?

Strange because certain of your fellow supporters seem to think she was the most perceptive of the bunch.

[ShiningInLuz]

— They came on holiday for about 10 days, having returned to Ireland on 9 May 2007. (She is not absolutely certain of the day). (Aoife Smith)

Don't you think you place an awful lot of confidence in the recollection of a child who could not remember what day it was she travelled home after her holiday?

Check the time on the Dolphin receipt.  She absolutely nailed it.

Check what she saw - she absolutely nailed it.  Check what she said about what she cannot remember and what she cannot be certain of.  She absolutely nailed it.

Please don't diss Aoife. I have finger-tipped her statement and it all stands up to scrutiny.  It is, IMO, the best of all the statements in the PJ Files.

I like it an awful lot.  But then I may be biased.  When I was trying how to find out the f**k to spell and pronounce Aoife, I chanced upon a tiny factoid.

Aoife can mean Shining.  I like it a lot.   

[misty]

Check the time on the Dolphin receipt.  She absolutely nailed it.

Check what she saw - she absolutely nailed it.  Check what she said about what she cannot remember and what she cannot be certain of.  She absolutely nailed it.

Please don't diss Aoife. I have finger-tipped her statement and it all stands up to scrutiny.  It is, IMO, the best of all the statements in the PJ Files.

I like it an awful lot.  But then I may be biased.  When I was trying how to find out the f**k to spell and pronounce Aoife, I chanced upon a tiny factoid.

Aoife can mean Shining.  I like it a lot.   

Aoife spent 5 more days in Luz, after the disappearance, while the place was crawling with people looking for Madeleine. Was she suffering from Brain Fog which prevented her recalling the encounter during that period and the days after returning home?

[Robittybob1]

Aoife spent 5 more days in Luz, after the disappearance, while the place was crawling with people looking for Madeleine. Was she suffering from Brain Fog which prevented her recalling the encounter during that period and the days after returning home?

It seems a rather dictatorial setup in that family, so I suggest that even if she wanted to make an earlier statement she had to get her father's permission first.

[ShiningInLuz]

Aoife spent 5 more days in Luz, after the disappearance, while the place was crawling with people looking for Madeleine. Was she suffering from Brain Fog which prevented her recalling the encounter during that period and the days after returning home?

Why should Aoife be "suffering from Brain Fog (sic)"?

[misty]

Why should Aoife be "suffering from Brain Fog (sic)"?

Were Madeleine posters not put up around the resort? Were her parents not being extra-vigilant over the remaining children in the group? Seriously - why did she not remember the strange sight late into the evening of a barefoot child, carried by a man, until she was prompted many days later? Why did none of the group remember a thing until after the man who "definitely wasn't Murat" was suspected to be the same man seen walking in the direction of Murat house?

[ShiningInLuz]

Were Madeleine posters not put up around the resort? Were her parents not being extra-vigilant over the remaining children in the group? Seriously - why did she not remember the strange sight late into the evening of a barefoot child, carried by a man, until she was prompted many days later? Why did none of the group remember a thing until after the man who "definitely wasn't Murat" was suspected to be the same man seen walking in the direction of Murat house?

Fine, let's start at the start.

What was strange about the Smithman sighting?  3 Smiths gave statements. There is no mention in those statements of abnormal or unusual behaviour.

Why should they remember anything about the encounter?