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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2017, 02:48:00 PM »
Now I have found this pdf.. and I am not sure what to make of it...

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25 even when one of their own columnists brought the
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1 attention of those letters to one of the editors.
2 Q. Deal with the impact on you, particularly in the context
3 of the libel and the overall context.
4 Because by the time the libel actions were
5 settled -- indeed, before then -- it was conclusively
6 established that you were not guilty of the murder of
7 Joanna Yeates because someone else was. At that stage
8 the someone else, who of course has now been convicted,
9 the possibilities were only murder or manslaughter, but
10 his involvement was definitively established.
11 A. Yes.

Now how does CJ know that Dr Vincent Tabak was established as having involvement in Joanna Yeates Murder??

Because as far as I can see there was nothing to establish that Dr Vincent Tabak was in anyway involved wit the death of Joanna Yeates....

Is this the part of CJ's second witness statement.... did he see Dr Vincent Tabak at The little gate with 2 other individuals???

Did Dr Vincent Tabak happen to leave at the same time as the 2 other individuals?? Did he give them a lift?? What makes Dr Vincent Tabak say he's responsible???

If CJ had evidence that Dr Vincent Tabak was involved... why was it not brought to trial ???


http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122201750/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Transcript-of-Morning-Hearing-28-November-2011.pdf

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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2017, 08:00:54 PM »
Christopher Jefferies knew Vincent and Tanja quite well, as they had lived in their flat for some time before Joanna's murder.  He might not have known Joanna and Greg so well, as they hadn't been in their flat for long. IMO, it is quite possible that he could have seen Joanna at the gate and not been sure that it was her.

Vincent Tabak was 6 feet 4 inches tall, so fairly easy to spot by his landlord, I would think. If CJ did see him at the gate, IMO, he would have recognised him.

So, indeed, why wouldn't that information have been brought to trial?

Also, why wouldn't VT have admitted to having been there? It isn't half so incriminating as admitting to having killed Jo in her flat.

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« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2017, 12:07:22 AM »
(43): Inspector David Horwood.

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But after Dutchman Vincent Tabak, 32, appeared in court charged with Jo’s murder today, police revealed they would look again at the arrest of Jefferies.

His friends say they expect him to be ”de-arrested” in the next few days.

Police Inspector David Horwood, from Avon and Somerset police, confirmed: ”We are now considering the impact of the charge on other aspects of the investigation.”

These Titles that these Policemen are given are very confusing...

An Inspector is anyone who completes a 1 year course....

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The scope of the role is vast, varied and critical to the success of the police force.   
As an inspector, you’ll be on the front line of crime initiatives, providing leadership in challenging and difficult incidents. 

On a day-to-day basis, you’ll lead and supervise a shift consisting of constables and sergeants. It’s about effectively using resources and managing budgets in the best way possible. Taking leadership and responsibility for major incidents, you’ll ensure that decisions taken are implemented efficiently and safely. You’ll always work to the highest standards, so that you can justify your actions and confidently handle complex and difficult situations. In short, this is a crucial leadership and operational role.

To thrive as an inspector, you’ll need to have flexible leadership skills, a willingness to challenge existing practices and a commitment to your own development. You’ll need to be confident at building partnerships and leading effective organisational change. This will be supported by your business skills and dedication to long-term, strategic visions. A creative thinker, you’ll always look to improve procedures and achieve the best outcomes.

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Programme structure
Although you’ll hold the rank of inspector, you’ll undergo training as a constable and sergeant first. The programme combines classroom learning with operational training – giving you everything that you need to progress and showing you how to put it into practice. Ultimately, you’ll need the determination and confidence to manage your own professional development throughout the programme.

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The structure of the programme
In-force induction
The programme begins with a two-week orientation, including training in first aid and personal safety.
College of Policing – Module 1
This module aims to prepare you for your first operational rotation as a constable.

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Inspector

In just under a year, you’ll step into the role of an inspector. You’ll supervise constables and sergeants, plan and organise policing operations and set the strategy and response at critical incidents. Due to the 24-hour nature of the role, you might frequently find yourself as the most senior officer on duty.

The rest can be read here : http://www.leadbeyond.police.uk/inspectors/about-the-role/

That's a very quick turn around for an important role (imo)


http://stories.swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-police-reviewing-chris-jefferies-arrest-after-charging-vincent-tabak-14158/

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« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2017, 07:59:18 AM »
(44): Hookie

This Police Officer is seen when Peter Stanley is taken to the Police Station... He collects some evidence bags and places them inside his car... Even though it is stated that forensics has not been done at Peter Stanleys..


I discovered his name was "Hookie" from the Channel 4 program "The Murder Detectives Episode 1" about the murder of a 19 year old man.

We have DCI Andy Bevan talking to the squad...

He says at 4:40 of the video....

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The family liaison Officers is "Hookie"...."Yoz" Are they here?

Hookie identifies himself and says...

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Myself and Yoz have picked up contact with the family, erm.. I've had a brief conversation with his mum

Image 1:... Outside Peter Stanleys

Image 2:.. From The Murder Detectives program he is sat with Yoz.

Also in the room are the family liaison Officers from The Joanna Yeates case..

Image 3: DCI Russ Jones

Image 4: DC Emma Davis

I presume after so many Years "Russ Jones and Emma Davis" are no longer the family liaison officers and "Hookie" and "Yoz" took up the role...  Unless "Hookie" has always been a (The) "Family Liason Officer".... And in his role he is very tactile with the family, which I never noticed with Emma and Russ..  In fact... I do not remember seeing either "Russ" or "Emma" at the press conferences of The Yeates Family... 
But "Hookie" is sat at the press conference with the family of the 19 year old young man....

"Russ' and "Emma" act more like  chaperones than Family Liaison Officers when accompanying The Yeates Family.... (imo)

The times we do see "Russ and Emma" with The Yeates family are when they attend "Longwood Lane" and of course "Bristol Crown Court"... The Yeates arrive in various Police cars to these locations.... Again adding to my suspicions that their role is of "Chaperone" as no-one travelling a Police car can travel without being accompanied by an Officer being in the role of Chaperone...

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All Passengers

Northumbria Police recognises that particular risks may be presented when single-crewed officers or police staff carry unaccompanied passengers.  A dynamic assessment should be undertaken encompassing all the risk factors including the vulnerability of both the passenger and the single-crewed officer or police staff member, and the risks associated with awaiting the arrival of a colleague or other third person to act as chaperone.

Everything in this case is NOT what it seems... So I can believe it is almost certain that "Russ and Emma " could just be "The Chaperones " of The Yeates Family as I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary... When on Longwood Lane, "Russ and Emma" keep their distance, which is rather strange...(imo)..

Now that brings us back to what "Hookies" role was in this Investigation.... And has "Hookie" always been a(the) Family Liaison Officer???

Therefore what was "Hookie" doing inside and at 42 Canygne Road???
Who also lived there besides the people we know about???

Edit.. The Officers Name is DC Jonathan Hook (image attached)

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Extensive experience in Homicide investigation. Peer mentor and tutor. Diversity advocate Ethics Committee
Member

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-hook-69aa7281/


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gavcp

https://www.northumbria.police.uk/about_us/policies_plans_and_strategy/policies/general_policing_issues/passengers_in_police_vehicles/

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« Reply #80 on: December 07, 2017, 10:44:09 AM »
And to add to the above post with regard "Russ and Emma's" Role as Chaperones, we have this video clip of them leaving Bristol Crown Court at the trial....

The are with Greg and Frank Reardon and get into the car with Greg and Frank Reardon... The date is the 28th October 2011..

If Russ and Emma were indeed "The Family Liaison Officers they have pretended to be, you would have thought that they would not been at court on that day and instead have been at the home of The Yeates Family offering them comfort as the verdict comes in... What ever the outcome of the Verdict... BUT NO....

They are still chaperoning... And it's not the Yeates Family that they are Chaperoning!

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-greg-reardon-boyfriend-of-joanna-yeates-news-footage/131193032


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« Reply #81 on: December 08, 2017, 09:26:25 AM »
(45): DC Emma Davies

Emma Davis's role in this case was Family Liaison Officer, and I posted that I believed she possibly was just a chapperone... I have had difficulty finding out information with regards Emma's position within Avon and Somerset Police.... But....

Using "The Murder Detectives Program", Emma Davies is sat amongst the Avon and Somerset Officers at the briefing and is wearing a Lanyard that clearly shows she is from the Welsh Police... Or based in Wales....  (images attached)...

I had missed it before also... As she leaves the court with Greg Reardon  at trial you can also see that she wears this welsh lanyard... (image 3)

I believe that the LinkedIn account I have discovered is very possibly our Emma Davis.... 

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Emma Davies
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Emma Davies
 
Crime reduction tactical advisor at South Wales police
South Wales police Merthyr Tydfil, Merthyr Tydfil, United Kingdom  0 0 connections
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 South Wales police
Crime reduction tactical advisor
Company NameSouth Wales police

Stating that she is in fact a tactical advisor and not a DC

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Our Crime Reduction and Tactical Advisors

Our Crime Reduction and Tactical Advisors work across our force area and are available to provide and advice and information to help prevent you becoming a victim of crime.

Rhondda Cynon Taf and Merthyr Tydfil

Emma Davies

Telephone: 01443 743629
E-mail: Emma.Davies@south-wales.pnn.police.uk
Carl Elliott

Telephone: 01443 657247
E-mail: Carl.Elliott@south-wales.pnn.police.uk

Throughout the Joanna Yeates Murder Inquiry many forces got together to help in this case.... Did Emma pop over from Wales to assist??

If Emma Davies is this tactical advisor... Then I personally cannot see her being a Family Liaison Officer... (imo)

Since this Case has been full of untruths, i have begun to question all the roles that people played in this case... And Emma Davies role needs further scrutiny..(imo)

If Emma Davis was The Tactical Advisor, then who were the Family Liaison Officers attached to The Yeates family ???

Now there a FOI request if ever I saw one... !

 

https://www.south-wales.police.uk/en/advice/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-davies-65847710a/

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-murder-detectives/on-demand/59006-002

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« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2018, 09:29:13 AM »
(46): Karl Harrison

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The jury heard that leaves found on the victim's body had been placed there and compressed against her, according to forensic archaeologist Dr Karl Harrison.

This is the only account that is available in the media, that Dr Karl Harrison gave evidence .

His witness statement was read out to the jury.


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Name of Institution: Cranfield University
Department :Department of Engineering and Applied Sciences
Address :Defence Academy of the UK
Shrivenham
City: Swindon
County / State: Wiltshire
Postal Code : SN6 8LA
Location of Academic Expert: United Kingdom
Current Position: Lecturer in Forensic Archaeology
Previous Positions: 2010 – Present   LGC Forensics
 Lead Scientist, Forensic Archaeology / Business Development Partner, Forensic Ecology
 I am a contracted forensic scientist in the field of forensic archaeologist as well as Business Development Lead for the LGC Forensics Ecology Service.
 
 2009 – 2010   Forensic Science Service
 Forensic Archaeologist
 I was the sole contracted expert Forensic Archaeologist working for the Forensic Science Service as part of their Natural Justice suite of specialist services.
 
 2009 – 2010   Staffordshire University
 Lecturer in Forensic Investigation
 Delivery BSc Forensic Investigation; delivery of MSc Forensic Science; Research and publication on forensic archaeology.
 
 2007 – 2009   LGC Forensics   
 Lead Scientist, Ecology & Scene
 Reporting Forensic Archaeologist; excavation and recovery of human remains; scene sampling and non-reporting processing of soils and pollen; coordination of Ecology services; Evidence Group Leader for Scenes; scene coordinator; training to report fire scenes.
 
 2005 – 2010   Cranfield University
 Research Fellow in Forensic Archaeology
 Module Leader ‘Recovery of Buried Remains’; Joint Module Leader ‘Investigation and Evidence Collection’. Primary lecturer on both of the above, further lecturing on ‘Introductory Archaeology’, ‘Soils and Decay’ and ‘Forensic Archaeology & Anthropology Short Course’
 
 2003 – 2007   West Midlands Police   
 Acting Senior Scenes of Crime Officer, Crime Scene Manager, Crime Scene Investigator
 
 Management of divisional forensic examination strategy; liaison and advice given to senior police officer and divisional management teams. Production of forensic strategy for major scene examination; coordination, management and training of junior Crime Scene Investigators; coordination of the work of forensic specialists at crime scenes; examination of crime scenes; attendance at court.
 
 2001 - 2003   Wiltshire Constabulary   
 Crime Scene Investigator
 
 Examination of crime scenes; evidential recovery; attendance at court.


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2009 – 2010   Forensic Science Service
 Forensic Archaeologist
 I was the sole contracted expert Forensic Archaeologist working for the Forensic Science Service as part of their Natural Justice suite of specialist services.
 

What is LCG's "Natural Justice Suite of Specialist Services"?

Was all that Dr Karl Harrison at trial for was to say that leaves were pressed against Joanna Yeates body?? 

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Forensic Archaeologist; Ecology Services Development Partner
Company NameLGC Forensics
Dates Employed2010 – 2013  Employment Duration3 yrs
Lead Forensic Ecologist reporting Forensic Archaeology

Lead Forensic Ecologist...
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Forensic Ecology: A Practitioner s Guide provides a complete handbook covering all aspects of forensic ecology. Bringing together the forensic applications of anthropology, archaeology, entomology, palynology and sedimentology in one volume


Meaning that Dr Karl Harrison must be multifaceted in his role at LCG, having the expertise in anthropology, archaeology, entomology, palynology and sedimentology.

When did Dr Karl Harrison apply all of these facets?? Where all of these facets used to uncover what had happened to Joanna yeates... Was his witness testimony so long and difficult for the jury to understand that they fell asleep...

Did he find insects activity at the scene??  Did he find any "Buried Items" at the scene... what type of leaves were around Joanna Yeates... were they just from the trees above her??? What pollen samples did Dr Karl Harrison test, were these samples used at court??

The reporting from Dr Karl Harrison's statement is very sparse and I believe that there should have been a lot more information from this expert whom with his expertise could possabily have given a time of death with the insect activity...
So What did we discover from Dr Karl Harrisons testimony??? And why did he NOT appear in court in person???? He has made appearance on many cases, so why not this one????

It appears he can just tell us about leaves packed around a body... And obviously there could be NO Cross Examination of this witness as he didn't appear...
Everything that Dr Karl Harrison discovered in relation to where Joanna Yeates body was recovered from is of great importance... Yet they felt that this witness didn't need to attend court to explain his discoveries to a jury, and for a jury to understand the importance of Dr Karl Harrisons expert testimony....


Why have so many witness just made statements ? Witness's that SHOULD have been at trial, witness's that could explain what there role in this Investigation was.... And on which days he attended the scene of Crime!

Or is it what I have been saying all along... His testimony is needed for the person that really did kill Joanna Yeates and all of the "REAL" evidence that has been collected can be used against them???


Just a thought!!



https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-harrison-a49b9630/

https://news.sky.com/story/killer-confessed-to-chaplain-10484853

http://www.academic-expert-directory.com/index.php/browse-the-directory?pid=56&sid=666:Harrison

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forensic-Ecology-Crime-Developments-Science/dp/1119974194

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/killer-weeps-over-images-of-joanna-yeates-body-2370602.html

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« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2018, 10:50:00 AM »
(3): Andrew Mott Proof he is a "Civilian"

Why Avon and Somerset Police insist on letting us all believe that 'Andrew Mott" actually has powers and is a "Police Officer" is beyond me.....

This quote is from an 'Avon and Somerset" Police meeting....

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EZ reminded SM and MS that Andy Mott is a civilian SIO however he is not
accredited as he doesn’t have warranted powers. The College of Policing has NOW
made a decision that police staff in investigative type roles will be able to be
considered and apply for DC type roles. As such a paper will be submitted to COG
seeking approval for police staff to move into some DC roles. MS agreed this option
would be cheaper. CW stated they will remain under different contractual terms and
conditions, as 1 is a crown servant and 1 is a contracted employee.

So why do they bring him out in many cases as if he has some power???

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Senior Investigator Andy Mott said there's "no risk to the wider public" as murder inquiry continues in #Taunton http://ow.ly/l7NK306lGbJ

Now the link to Avon and Somerset Police has nothing on it .... It has been removed The Murder Inquiry seems to have disappeared...

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We’ll be carrying out a full and thorough investigation into Tracey’s death and have arrested a 35-year-old man on suspicion of her murder.

We’ve updated Tracey’s family and they will continue to be supported by a specially trained liaison officer. We’re appealing for anyone with information about Tracey’s death to come forward. Did you see or hear any unusual activity in or around Rowan House in Bishport Avenue on Saturday 25 November or the days before? Do you have information which could be useful to our investigation? If you do, please call us.”

– SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICER ANDY MOTT, MAJOR CRIME INVESTIGATION TEAM

So how did "Andrew Mott" get within feet of the body of Joanna Yeates?? So much so, that he is called as a witness to the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak...

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Mr Mott is a forensic co-ordinator. He describes arriving at the scene on Christmas Day #Vincenttabak #Joannayeates
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#vincenttabak sitting with eyes covered and head in hands as pathologist, Andrew Mott gives evidence about recovering #joannayeates body
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Andrew Mott, wearing protective clothing, went to the body. The snow was undisturbed around it. There was apparent blood staining on a wall.
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10:29 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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#Vincenttabak has his head forward in his clasped hands
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Court sees pictures of the snow covered body as Andrew Mott describes how it was moved from the scene.
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#Vincenttabak rubbing his head and covering his eyes
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Mott says the body and ground were frozen. Defence asks about a broom handle used to help feed straps under the body.
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Mr Mott says contamination of the frozen body with the broom handle was minimised. #Vincenttabak #Joannayeates

So Clegg... Explain to me why on earth you didn't question the FACT That "Andrew Mott" Is a "CIVILIAN" Officer... ???

Why did you go along with the Charade ???  You should be ashamed of yourself Mr Clegg... You clearly ignored anything in that trial and did NOT REPRESENT YOUR CLIENT TO YOUR FULLEST POTENTIAL!!!

Since when do we have "Civilian's" giving expert testimony at trial...???  Why on earth would they allow "Andrew Mott" anywhere near the body of Joanna yeates???

Was Andrew Mott ever actually on Longwood lane??? Did he commit perjury??  I have spent endless time trying to find him on Longwood Lane and I cannot...

"Andrew- "Civillian"- Mott" Why did you appear at the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak, when you are just a CIVILIAN... Did you ever get anywhere near the body of Joanna yeates on Longwood lane.... Or did you just have a trip to the Mortuary?? maybe not even that... You problably only saw the pictures (imo)...

Come on Andrew Mott... The Price is Right.... Time to be Honest Mate...!!! Tell the nice ladies and gentlemen what your role really was... tell them how you are NOT a Real COPPER!!!!!

Tell them how you were happy to go on the stand and tell tales that your role should NOT have had you anywhere near the crime scene... You have NO qualifications for your supposed position... so how do you quantify being at court representing the "Avon and Somerset Constabulary" in the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak... And your complicity in this charade they call a trial!!!


It's a disgrace!! It's outrageous!!! Just lets remind ourselves...

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EZ reminded SM and MS that Andy Mott is a civilian SIO however he is not
accredited as he doesn’t have warranted powers.

Not Accredited!!! Oh Dear Andrew... What have you got to say for yourself????

One last thing...
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The College of Policing has NOW
made a decision that police staff in investigative type roles will be able to be
considered and apply for DC type roles.

That sounds like that was a recent decision... The Pdf is 2013... So what roles were 'Civilians"  allowed to portray in 2010/2011??


Andrew... has someone set you up for a fall??

Edit.... He's even described as a "Forensic Coordinator" in The Crimewatch Documentary... And Crime Watch went with it!!!  He is a "CIVILIAN"!!

https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/800301192593055744

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRDtLjPfdw0

http://www.avonandsomerset-pcc.gov.uk/Document-Library/TERM-ONE/Reports-and-meetings/Meetings/HR-Meeting-notes---29-November-2013.pdf

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/newsroom/murder-inquiry-launched-in-taunton/

http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/topic/avon-and-somerset-police/

http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2

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« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2018, 12:08:14 PM »
Power to the police staff? Big changes to police powers

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The Police Reform Act 2002 (PRA) permits Chief Officers to “designate a relevant employee as an officer” holding certain police powers: section 38 and schedule 4. The employee only carries the powers designated to them by the Chief Constable, for use in the course of employment with the constabulary. Staff without express designation have no such power.

So does this mean that Chief Constable "Colin Port" oked it for "Andrew"Civilian"Mott" to take the stand at trial to represent Avon and Somerset Constabulary at Dr Vincent Tabak's trial ???

Colin anything to say????

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Concluding remarks

The fact that the ability to delegate policing powers has opened up significantly does not mean a formal written designation is no longer required. Chief officers must expressly designate the powers they wish their staff or volunteers to have. But now they have more to choose from, and will be able to limit the exercise of designated powers to particular functions and localities.

One crucial feature of the PRA system of staff empowerment has not been amended by PCA: the general limitation on designation of powers in section 38(4). Chief officers shall not designate any power to persons, unless they are “satisfied” that the person is:

• Suitable to carry out the designated functions;

• Capable of effectively carrying out those functions; and

• Adequately trained.

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“Schedule 3B
Designations under section 38
Part 1
Excluded powers and duties of constables
1 Any power or duty of a constable to make an arrest.

2 Any power or duty of a constable to stop and search an individual or a vehicle or other thing.

3 The power of a constable, under section 36(4) of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, to perform the functions of a custody officer at a designated police station if a custody officer is not readily available to perform them.

4 Any power that is exercisable only by a constable of a particular rank.

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4  Any power that is exercisable only by a constable of a particular rank.

There we go... The Civilian takes the stand!!  Why Colin ?? Why??  Please explain??


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2017/3/schedule/10/enacted

http://ukpolicelawblog.com/index.php/9-blog/112-power-to-the-staff-big-changes-to-designated-powers

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« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2018, 12:15:10 PM »
Is it normal for a "CIVILIAN" Officer to attend and take the stand in a high profile Murder Case??

Do "Civilian Officers ever get as far as Court??  Wouldn't it be more prudent to have an actual accredited Officer at a trial???

Just a thought!!

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« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2018, 01:11:42 PM »
From above post..
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EZ reminded SM and MS that Andy Mott is a civilian SIO however he is not
accredited as he doesn’t have warranted powers.

Warranted Powers

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The Home Secretary proposes to replace the existing list of powers that can be designated to police staff with a new list of core powers that can only be exercised by a warranted officer. These are the powers that have the greatest effect on the liberty of the citizen for example, to arrest, to stop and search and to enter property.Outside of those reserved powers of constables, chief officers will be able to designate other powers to staff and volunteers as they see fit.


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The office of the police constable is the foundation of our police service and should remain so. Those powers that affect the fundamental liberty of the citizen should only be exercised by a highly trained police professional who acts independently to uphold the law without fear or favour’.


Does that stretch as far as the Liberty of a EU Citizen on trial for "Murder"???

Lets move a little further on that article..

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Designating police powers to civilians should help the police adapt to changing demand. For example, the legislation introducing the National Crime Agency gave the Director General of that organisation the power to designate the powers of a constable to NCA staff. This enables the NCA to recruit the specialist staff it needs to investigate complex crime while providing them with certain powers essential to their role such as entering properties, seizing goods and making arrests.


Those words.... "Complex Crime"..... And 'National Crime Agency"!!!!   So we have again a "Complex crime" that has allowed them to use a "Civilian" in a variety of roles and go to trial and tell a jury what he saw....

yet it was supposed to be a "Simple Murder case"!!

Are they off their heads !!!!

http://www.police-foundation.org.uk/2015/09/deconstructing-the-constable-the-police-powers-debate/

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« Reply #87 on: January 27, 2018, 01:35:55 PM »
(4): DI Karen Thomas

Is she the same as Andrew "Civilian Mott"?? I'm being to wonder how many "Civilians" were used in this case and attended trial to give testimony....

Are you just a "Civilian" Karen?? Not a warranted Police Officer ??

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He gave three statements to police – one on December 31 in Amsterdam, one on January 20 and another on January 22.

All were ‘’false and dishonest accounts’’, the court heard.

When asked about his movements the night Jo died, he said he’d gone to take pictures of the snow after returning from work.


Now we know you went to Amsterdam with a Colleague... I'm guessing this Colleague was a real 'Copper"!!
I say this because ....

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Also giving evidence was Detective Constable Karen Thomas, who spoke to Tabak in Holland on New Year's Eve.

Thomas said Tabak told her he had been out twice on the night Yeates vanished – which he had not said when she interviewed him a week earlier.

Tabak was "overly interested" in the forensic examination of Yeates's flat, Thomas said, and she asked him to provide a sample of DNA and fingerprinted him.

The trial continues.

Now was the 6 hour Interview you conducted actually one continuous Interview with Dr Vincent Tabak?
Or... Did you Interview someone else in Holland for 6 hours?? See we don't know... was it the boy with the 2 sisters and one brother whom you interviewed in Holland for 6 hours, and not Dr Vincent Tabak whom has 3 sisters and one brother...?? Therefore not needing the cooperation of the Dutch Authorities for this Interview...

The week before when you Interviewed Dr Vincent Tabak, you didn't take a statement?? or are you not able to take a statement??? Because as we see Dr Vincent Tabak apparently only ever gave 3 statements...

On December 31 in Amsterdam, one on January 20 and another on January 22. So how did he give you a statement the week before Amsterdam being the 26th December 2010?? Or are you talking about someone else who gave you a statement on that day..??

Eh?? Can't hear you...

You phoned him too... Does that not count... Was he just silent on the phone???  CJ said that all of the tenants gave a statement.... Well I'll go back to the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't a tenant but a landlord! Was Dr Vincent Tabak actually at Canygne Road when all of this took place???  I'm begining to wonder...

Had Dr Vincent Tabak been renting out his property on Canygne Road?? Was Dr Vincent Tabak even at Canygne Road on the 17th December 2010?? Come on Karen just a couple of questions please...


All were ‘’false and dishonest accounts’’, the court heard.
Interesting that statement.. Did these statements get read out at trial??? Don't think so.. So how do we know that they were "false and Dishonest"... "Because someone said so"!!... They very well might be if he said what i think he said in his 3rd witness statement!!

I thought Dr Vincent Tabak said "No Comment" through out... So where is the evidence to support that these statements he apparently made on those 3 dates were 'false and dishonest"??

Explain to me how "No Comment" is false and dishonest..... Or if he did speak... where are these statements?? 

So Karen Thomas... Are you a fully fledged proper copper?? Or just a "Civilian" like Andrew "Civilian " Mott!!

The account on the 22nd January 2011, the day you charged Dr Vincent Tabak, without any evidence whatsoever, was this the day that Dr Vincent Tabak turned around and said... OK.. I killed her, just to shut you all up from your incessant questioning?? He had got bored with you all asking stupid questions that had no relevance to him!! And you ran with it???  Is that what happened?? and because of that he was charged...

Maybe the important statement of Dr Vincent Tabak is actually the 22nd January 2011, because we know you didn't have any evidence with which to charge him with.. That all would have come to court and it didn't!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/17/vincent-tabak-held-jo-yeates-throat
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-jury-84889




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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #88 on: February 01, 2018, 07:22:52 PM »
(4): DI Karen Thomas

The week before when you Interviewed Dr Vincent Tabak, you didn't take a statement?? or are you not able to take a statement??? Because as we see Dr Vincent Tabak apparently only ever gave 3 statements...

On December 31 in Amsterdam, one on January 20 and another on January 22. So how did he give you a statement the week before Amsterdam being the 26th December 2010?? Or are you talking about someone else who gave you a statement on that day..??

Eh?? Can't hear you...

You phoned him too... Does that not count... Was he just silent on the phone???  CJ said that all of the tenants gave a statement.... Well I'll go back to the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't a tenant but a landlord! Was Dr Vincent Tabak actually at Canygne Road when all of this took place???  I'm begining to wonder...


All were ‘’false and dishonest accounts’’, the court heard.
Interesting that statement.. Did these statements get read out at trial??? Don't think so.. So how do we know that they were "false and Dishonest"... "Because someone said so"!!... They very well might be if he said what i think he said in his 3rd witness statement!!

I thought Dr Vincent Tabak said "No Comment" through out... So where is the evidence to support that these statements he apparently made on those 3 dates were 'false and dishonest"??

Explain to me how "No Comment" is false and dishonest..... Or if he did speak... where are these statements?? 

So Karen Thomas... Are you a fully fledged proper copper?? Or just a "Civilian" like Andrew "Civilian " Mott!!

The account on the 22nd January 2011, the day you charged Dr Vincent Tabak, without any evidence whatsoever, was this the day that Dr Vincent Tabak turned around and said... OK.. I killed her, just to shut you all up from your incessant questioning?? He had got bored with you all asking stupid questions that had no relevance to him!! And you ran with it???  Is that what happened?? and because of that he was charged...

Maybe the important statement of Dr Vincent Tabak is actually the 22nd January 2011, because we know you didn't have any evidence with which to charge him with.. That all would have come to court and it didn't!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/17/vincent-tabak-held-jo-yeates-throat
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-jury-84889
He gave a statement on 20th or 21st December - the same day as Christopher Jefferies and all the other people in the house. He gave a 2nd statement after Joanna's body was discovered and before he and Tanja drove off to Cambridge. Lots of statements plus phone calls. After his arrest, he gave three further statements, drawn up by the duty solicitor. How many is that?

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Re: Establishing Their Roles.....
« Reply #89 on: February 01, 2018, 07:57:18 PM »
He gave a statement on 20th or 21st December - the same day as Christopher Jefferies and all the other people in the house. He gave a 2nd statement after Joanna's body was discovered and before he and Tanja drove off to Cambridge. Lots of statements plus phone calls. After his arrest, he gave three further statements, drawn up by the duty solicitor. How many is that?

Loads of statements....  If he was in Cambridge on the 24th December 2010... when was Joanna Yeates body found??