The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.

[Mr Gray]

You think it's clear?

I have provided the cite about the sequence of events re their departure.

Can you present a cite re fleeing arrest? 

. John has confirmed it
See his post
They then hired a top extradition lawyer on return

[G-Unit]

The view of the Portuguese prosecutors (written as fact) carries more weight than that, and can/should only be supplanted if something, at present, not in the public domain comes to light conclusively demonstrating that there is genuine reason to doubt abduction.

The conclusion of the prosecutors. I have bolded the important bits for you. They DID NOT say Madeleine was abducted;

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[ferryman]

Does any of this matter?

The topic of discussion is whether posters should make clear that abduction is alleged.  I swear I can hear Brietta getting her pruning shears out to make this sequence more relevant to the thread title.

The opening post states opinion (as if 'fact') that abduction is not a 'fact'.

How do you propose we debate that?

[Eleanor]

The opening post states opinion (as if 'fact') that abduction is not a 'fact'.

How do you propose we debate that?

The alleged abduction.  Use your imagination.  There are other words.

[Alfie]

Do look up blond girls, Riff Mountains, Morocco.  M3 was paying locals to invent stories.

Cite.

[Alfie]

Does this help?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/290600/Madeleine-Secret-files-reveal-four-sightings-in-Morocco

John, please could you explain why you are attempting to support Angelo in his claim that agents of the McCanns deliberately faked sightings in order to undermine the official investigation, a claim for which there is precisely zero evidence and which should, therefore, come with a great big CAVEAT.

Furthermore why have you failed to authorise my thread on this topic?

[ferryman]

????

This sounds like you are implying the T9 had something to hide, IMO.

What?

[ferryman]

????

This sounds like you are implying the T9 had something to hide, IMO.

Your opinion leaves me speechless.

[ShiningInLuz]

The opening post states opinion (as if 'fact') that abduction is not a 'fact'.

How do you propose we debate that?

One issue with threads that are taken from another is that the OP can look clumsy without its context.

I believe the OP is simply stating the obvious i.e. abduction has not been proved, and therefore is one allegation or possibility.

Here is another possibility.  If Matthew Oldfield is involved, each piece of information that we have can be explained.

And another.  If Kate McCann is involved, each piece of information can be explained.

And another.  If Gerry McCann is involved, each piece of information can be explained.

And another.  If Madeleine woke and wandered, each piece of information can be explained.

I happen to think abduction is the most probable explanation, and the 3 May 2017 Panorama special has a chunk that goes down one potential route.  I don't think they got an abductor, but they might have made some progress.

With all options on the table, an abductor is alleged but far from proven.

[ferryman]

One issue with threads that are taken from another is that the OP can look clumsy without its context.

I believe the OP is simply stating the obvious i.e. abduction has not been proved, and therefore is one allegation or possibility.

Here is another possibility.  If Matthew Oldfield is involved, each piece of information that we have can be explained.

And another.  If Kate McCann is involved, each piece of information can be explained.

And another.  If Gerry McCann is involved, each piece of information can be explained.

And another.  If Madeleine woke and wandered, each piece of information can be explained.

I happen to think abduction is the most probable explanation, and the 3 May 2017 Panorama special has a chunk that goes down one potential route.  I don't think they got an abductor, but they might have made some progress.

With all options on the table, an abductor is alleged but far from proven.

A-men for (the part of) your post I embolden.

[Alfie]

A-men for (the part of) your post I embolden.

I wonder why he thinks that?  I doubt he'll tell us.

[John]

Off topic but this is what Kate reveals in her book, Madeleine:


On  the  drive  home  from  the  police  station  it  had become  clear  to  Gerry  that  Carlos  believed  charges were  likely  and  that  we  might  have  to  stay  in Portugal.  The  preparation  of  a  case  like  this  could take  years.  If  the  charge  was  murder,  rather  than  the lesser  crime  of  hiding  a  body,  we  might  even  be remanded  in  custody  for  all  that  time.  Given  the  lack of  evidence,  it  was  impossible  to  understand  how such  charges  could  be  brought,  but  if  you’d  told  us  a few  weeks  earlier  that  we  were  going  to  be  declared arguidos  we  wouldn’t  have  believed  that,  either.  The prospect  of  being  separated  from  Sean  and  Amelie, holed  up  in  jail  unable  to  prepare  our  defence properly,  was  terrifying.  Gerry  was  seriously considering  sneaking  us  into  a  car  and  driving  us  all across  the  border  to  Spain.  It  would  have  been crazy.  The  whole  world  would  have  thought  we  were guilty,  and  maybe  that  was  what  the  police  were hoping  we’d  do. Most  people  find  it  hard  to  comprehend  how innocent  people  can  confess  to  crimes  they  haven’t committed.  Gerry  and  I  don’t.  Not  now.  The monumental  psychological  duress  we  were  under can  easily  lead  to  bad,  irrational  decision-making. Thankfuly,  we  resisted  the  urge  to  flee.  When  we  left Portugal,  it  would  be  with  the  blessing  of  the  PJ  and our  heads  held  high.

[John]

John, please could you explain why you are attempting to support Angelo in his claim that agents of the McCanns deliberately faked sightings in order to undermine the official investigation, a claim for which there is precisely zero evidence and which should, therefore, come with a great big CAVEAT.

Furthermore why have you failed to authorise my thread on this topic?

Are you saying that Método 3 didn't provide false information in the search for Madeleine McCann?

As for your new thread you need to revise it since Angelo did not state that which you posted.

[Alfie]

Are you saying that Método 3 didn't provide false information in the search for Madeleine McCann?

I am asking for proof that agents employed by the McCanns deliberately faked sightings to discredit the official investigation.  This is the claim being made by Angelo.  Do you think it is an established fact?  If so please provide the proof here and now, otherwise we're looking at a severe case of double standards are we not?

[Alfie]

Are you saying that Método 3 didn't provide false information in the search for Madeleine McCann?

As for your new thread you need to revise it since Angelo did not state that which you posted.

You removed my thread so I can't revise it.