Author Topic: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann  (Read 88126 times)

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Offline Erngath


The wee bit where Rowley confirmed the parents were NOT being investigated/ questioned. AND this falls in line with the other wee bit where Sutton  says open remit for the  investigation would start with the parents, Tapas as allegedly last KNOWN persons to have seen her alive in the apartment.

So here we have A seniour police officer challenging the OG remit, and already we have bemoaning about proof.  where as there is no offering of proof that Maddie was abducted from a window  from that apartment. None!

That is not evidence that such a call was ever made/received.
No proof at all. No name given,

No proof she was not abducted either.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline G-Unit

I think we can put that baby to sleep so to  speak.  OC only investigating abduction from apartment- parents would not be questioned as they would not abuct their own daughter...

 10 million wow. I can't wait to find out what the PJ  missed in that investigaiton about abduction from apartment. They could have , if they wanted to,  investigated an accidental death, or woke and wondered  to really give the McCanns a clear run. but the didn't. oh never mind- what a shame. complete waste of money! AND a disgrace to the memory of little Maddie whatever her mortal state is.

Madeleine McCann was in all probability the victim of a crime. The Portuguese were unable to discover what the crime was and shelved the investigation after it proved impossible to persuade the McCann's friends to attend a reconstitution.

The Metropolitan Police agreed to conduct an investigative review of the case, but their starting point seems to have been that the parents and their friends were blameless.

The parents et al may well be blameless, but Madeleine deserved a full, not a partial investigation. If the Metecided what crime had been committed at the beginning of the investigation that is not acceptable.

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Offline Erngath

the author  of the article doesnt believe the mcanns which  is his  right as a journalist  im  happy that he isnt  scared to say his view but most of us aussies are like  him   he is a good australian journo

It's awful living in this country.
We sheep are too scared to speak.
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Offline Brietta

Interesting to note not one other officer has come out to say this is complete rollocks and of course all avenues would be open.

Interesting to note that not one other officer ... in particular not a single officer who actually worked on Madeleine's case has come forward to be quoted in any way whatsoever.

Anyone who thinks that Scotland Yard have gone into a major investigation of this type without covering all the bases to begin with is in my opinion seriously deluded.

Any one who thinks Scotland Yard have not questioned key witnesses are in my opinion seriously deluded.

Anyone who thinks a cordon sanitaire was placed around any material British based witness is in my opinion seriously deluded.


" ... what I can say, just as I did back in 2011 and 2013, is that Maddie's parents are not suspects. That statement remains: the parents are not suspects. Period."
Pedro do Carmo ~ deputy director of the Judiciary Police
http://expresso.sapo.pt/sociedade/2017-05-03-Pedro-do-Carmo-Os-pais-de-Maddie-nao-sao-suspeitos.-Ponto-1


 “Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects” ~DCI Andy Redwood DCI Andy Redwood
https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign/posts/10151905090784931
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Indeed! not one politician either. Not one person saying we will get to the bottom of this...No full independant investigation.

I would love to see a professional free lance investigative jouro take this on! no money just the truth about what happened.

What is to understand about an investigation into Madeleine McCann's case?
« Last Edit: May 16, 2017, 01:06:18 PM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Miss Taken Identity

What is to understand about an investigation into Madeleine McCann's case?
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Offline carlymichelle

Independant -not involved can't be ordered to think of only one theory to investigate.

re this: “Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects”.        If they are investigating an abduction theory only, then the parents wouldn't be suspected of abducting their own child now would they? AND this is evidence that with hands tied behind backs they will not be the charging the parents of abducting their own child.
OG Has been told from the start NOT to bother the parents and only to find an abductor- hopefully  a paedophile ring.

Even better if she is found alive with a wealthy couple who loved her and looked after her.  but chances are....

so  in other words the mcanns havent  been ruled out of anything?? because the abduction theory is only just that a theory?

Alfie

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the author  of the article doesnt believe the mcanns which  is his  right as a journalist  im  happy that he isnt  scared to say his view but most of us aussies are like  him   he is a good australian journo
Can we have a cite for this, otherwise it's just your opinion and requires a CAVEAT.

Alfie

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Madeleine McCann was in all probability the victim of a crime. The Portuguese were unable to discover what the crime was and shelved the investigation after it proved impossible to persuade the McCann's friends to attend a reconstitution.

The Metropolitan Police agreed to conduct an investigative review of the case, but their starting point seems to have been that the parents and their friends were blameless.

The parents et al may well be blameless, but Madeleine deserved a full, not a partial investigation. If the Metecided what crime had been committed at the beginning of the investigation that is not acceptable.
It is perfectly acceptable.  The Met reviewed all the evidence and on the basis that their was no evidence at all that the parents were responsible and that there was absolutely no plausible or logical way they could have done it, they decided that someone else was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. 
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Offline G-Unit

It is perfectly acceptable.  The Met reviewed all the evidence and on the basis that their was no evidence at all that the parents were responsible and that there was absolutely no plausible or logical way they could have done it, they decided that someone else was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

It would be very interesting to know how the Met verified that timeline which the PJ had to leave unverified. Perhaps they asked Kate and Gerry and their mates to confirm it was correct? That would do, would it?
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Perhaps they have more integrity than to become involved while the investigation continues.

They probably do.

However, they would lose their jobs if they did.

Alfie

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It would be very interesting to know how the Met verified that timeline which the PJ had to leave unverified. Perhaps they asked Kate and Gerry and their mates to confirm it was correct? That would do, would it?
The timeline is impossible to verify exactly, no amount of "reconstitutions" would achieve that, it's a nonsense to suggest otherwise.  The Met have however conducted a "forensic examination" of the timeline and are (presumably) working to the most plausible and logical version of it, taking into account all the comings and goings they know about and cross referencing them with each other using all the various witness statements.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

It is perfectly acceptable.  The Met reviewed all the evidence and on the basis that their was no evidence at all that the parents were responsible and that there was absolutely no plausible or logical way they could have done it, they decided that someone else was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

The remit was solely 'abduction theory'. The parents were not considered as being the abductors in this theory.

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Offline faithlilly

What do you find so good about it?  Until recently you seemed pretty convinced that the McCanns were the Met's chief suspects, have you now changed your mind?

For me, if there was any doubt, it has underscored how vehemently supporters want the McCanns exonerated even if it means Madeleine never gets justice.

On the one hand we are told that the Portuguese investigation was flawed yet on the other that that same investigation was diligent enough to clear the McCanns, no questions asked. So which one is it because it can't be both?

Surely Madeleine, and the McCanns, would have been better served if OG had eliminated the McCanns themselves rather than relying on what we have been told was a flawed investigation?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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For me, if there was any doubt, it has underscored how vehemently supporters want the McCanns exonerated even if it means Madeleine never gets justice.

On the one hand we are told that the Portuguese investigation was flawed yet on the other that that same investigation was diligent enough to clear the McCanns, no questions asked. So which one is it because it can't be both?

Surely Madeleine, and the McCanns, would have been better served if OG had eliminated the McCanns themselves rather than relying on what we have been told was a flawed investigation?
Could you answer my question please?  Have you finally come to the realisation that the tick has stopped tocking? 
You still seem to be confused on a few other points as the post above demonstrates.  McCann supporters wholehearedly believe that to get justice for Madeleine the person who might have abducted her should be found and brought to justice.  It's not about exonerating the parents it's about finding out what happened to Madeleine and ensuring that the right person is punished for their crime.
You have been told the investigation is flawed by someone who thinks he knows what is going on within Operation Grange but likely as not, hasn't really got a clue.  He certainly admits to making assumptions about it from the off.
As for the Portuguese investigation, yes the police work was flawed, but the decision to clear the McCanns was not done "no questions asked".  Hundreds of questions were asked and despite their most strenuous efforts to build a case against the McCanns the police failed to do so due to there being precisely no evidence against them, hence the AG had no other option but to remove the McCanns' arguido status.  So yes it can be both - a flawed investigation which focused on the wrong people, was unable to gather any evidence against them, forcing the judicial system to "clear" (for want of a better word) the parents and the other arguido.
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