Author Topic: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann  (Read 88136 times)

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Offline faithlilly

Could you answer my question please?  Have you finally come to the realisation that the tick has stopped tocking? 
You still seem to be confused on a few other points as the post above demonstrates.  McCann supporters wholehearedly believe that to get justice for Madeleine the person who might have abducted her should be found and brought to justice.  It's not about exonerating the parents it's about finding out what happened to Madeleine and ensuring that the right person is punished for their crime.
You have been told the investigation is flawed by someone who thinks he knows what is going on within Operation Grange but likely as not, hasn't really got a clue.  He certainly admits to making assumptions about it from the off.
As for the Portuguese investigation, yes the police work was flawed, but the decision to clear the McCanns was not done "no questions asked".  Hundreds of questions were asked and despite their most strenuous efforts to build a case against the McCanns the police failed to do so due to there being precisely no evidence against them, hence the AG had no other option but to remove the McCanns' arguido status.  So yes it can be both - a flawed investigation which focused on the wrong people, was unable to gather any evidence against them, forcing the judicial system to "clear" (for want of a better word) the parents and the other arguido.

Sutton certainly thinks the McCanns and their friends still had questions to answer and as he, like Horrocks, has many years of experience under his belt surely his observations should be given at  the required weight?
« Last Edit: May 16, 2017, 01:53:16 PM by John »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

At the outset I should say that I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann.  All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at – does not convince me of any theory or scenario being proved.  Soon, in the coming months when my other projects are less busy, I hope to take a proper analytical look at it all and come up with some conclusions.  But as things stand my position is that I don't know.


so he hasnt taken a proper look at it yet....I will interested to hear what he says when he has....but not until
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Alfie

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Sutton certainly thinks the McCanns and their friends still had questions to answer and as he, like Horrocks, has many years of experience under his belt surely his observations should be given at  the required weight?
Given the required weight by who?  Me?  Or by those who have ALL the known facts at their disposal plus the McCanns themselves on speed dial?

ETA for the seco d time of asking you didn't answer my question.  How about answering it now - do you now accept that the McCanns and their friends are neither suspects nor persons of interest?
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stephen25000

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For a thorough analysis of the case Mr. Sutton will have to question the McCann's and company.

The very thing that OG failed to do, especially the McCann's, as they still remain the last known people to have seen Madeleine alive.

As Sutton knew, some people are not going to be allowed to be questioned.
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ferryman

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The PJ also said they were not suspects in August 2007 when they infact were. Deja vu  8(>((

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6942705.stm

Since then, the whole case file has been reviewed and loose-cannon elements like Amaral and Paivia have been removed.

stephen25000

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Since then, the whole case file has been reviewed and loose-cannon elements like Amaral and Paivia have been removed.

So when were the McCann's and their associates, re-interviewed as key witnesses, under caution or otherwise, by either SY or the 'current' PJ investigation ?

Answers on a postcard.

Offline Mr Gray

So when were the McCann's and their associates, re-interviewed as key witnesses, under caution or otherwise, by either SY or the 'current' PJ investigation ?

Answers on a postcard.

I would be certain they were interviewed as key witnesses.
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Offline carlymichelle

So when were the McCann's and their associates, re-interviewed as key witnesses, under caution or otherwise, by either SY or the 'current' PJ investigation ?

Answers on a postcard.

getting back to my orginal post i think our australian journo   is correct what  he  said  the  uk police    imo have given the mcanns alot of leeway as have the uk media  if they had been middle  class/poor  they wouldnt have got  the best media they have   imo
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stephen25000

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getting back to my rginal post i think our australian journo   is correct what  he  said  the  uk police    imo have given the mcanns alot of leeway as have the uk media  if they had been middle  class/poor  they wouldnt have got  the best media they have   imo

Indeed Carly, bar the Times case, and up to recently, i.e. after the Supreme Court Decision, and the refusal to have the decision set aside, the McCann's have had free reign in the UK press.

IMHO, the sycophany shown towards them has been quite sickening.


Offline carlymichelle

Indeed Carly, bar the Times case, and up to recently, i.e. after the Supreme Court Decision, and the refusal to have the decision set aside, the McCann's have had free reign in the UK press.

IMHO, the sycophany shown towards them has been quite sickening.

the sun is the worst   &%&£(+

Alfie

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Yes, the media have been so kind to the McCanns that is why they were invited to take part in the Leveson Inquiry, why Gerry is a key member of Hacked Off, and why various newspapers had to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds into the Madeleine Fund, all because of the sympathetic, kind, completely factual media coverage the McCanns received.

Offline Mr Gray

The PJ also said they were not suspects in August 2007 when they infact were. Deja vu  8(>((

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6942705.stm

They weren't suspects until the PJ misunderstood the new evidence
They are not suspects now
Obviously if new evidence came to light that could change
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stephen25000

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Yes, the media have been so kind to the McCanns that is why they were invited to take part in the Leveson Inquiry, why Gerry is a key member of Hacked Off, and why various newspapers had to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds into the Madeleine Fund, all because of the sympathetic, kind, completely factual media coverage the McCanns received.

Gerry McCann a key member of hacked off ?

Since when ?

Factual coverage in the press ?

Stating 'an abduction'  in the press is not a fact. Perhaps you should take note of John's comment on this.

IMHO, the press coverage in support of the McCann's do the exclusion of facts would be a more accurate description.

Remember the 'Sardine Munchers' from the Xenophobic comment by Tony Parsons.................


 "keep your stupid, sardine-munching mouth shut", and others.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic2347.html

Take a look at this link. 8(0(*



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Offline Brietta

So when were the McCann's and their associates, re-interviewed as key witnesses, under caution or otherwise, by either SY or the 'current' PJ investigation ?

Answers on a postcard.

When was the innocent tourist carrying his child home from creche interviewed?

When were those who were children at the time they were assaulted by an intruder interviewed by the police?

In my opinion the expectation is risible that the police publish to fanfares every step of the investigative strategy into the case of a missing child.

It is equally risible that a retired police officer with so many years of experience beneath his belt has gone on record to speak on issues which he has admitted to knowing absolutely nothing about ... apart from tittle tattle concerning the case at a time it was thought unlikely it would ever see the light of day again.

In my opinion it is enlightening that out of everything written and said ten years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the tunnel vision which so damaged any hope of finding her in 2007 has been espoused yet again in the words of the retired officer.  Who admits not to have studied the case in any great depth.

We know Madeleine is being looked for after her case being in the wilderness for so long.  There are officers who have actually worked on the present investigation now retired ... none of whom have either leaked or stated openly their dissatisfaction with how it is being conducted.

Mr Sutton has never been associated with Madeleine's case.
His access is via exactly the same files available to us; his police experience perhaps entitles him to a generic observation it will never allow him an in-depth analysis because he will never have access to the information available to the present investigations being carried out by the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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When was the innocent tourist carrying his child home from creche interviewed?

When were those who were children at the time they were assaulted by an intruder interviewed by the police?

In my opinion the expectation is risible that the police publish to fanfares every step of the investigative strategy into the case of a missing child.

It is equally risible that a retired police officer with so many years of experience beneath his belt has gone on record to speak on issues which he has admitted to knowing absolutely nothing about ... apart from tittle tattle concerning the case at a time it was thought unlikely it would ever see the light of day again.

In my opinion it is enlightening that out of everything written and said ten years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the tunnel vision which so damaged any hope of finding her in 2007 has been espoused yet again in the words of the retired officer.  Who admits not to have studied the case in any great depth.

We know Madeleine is being looked for after her case being in the wilderness for so long.  There are officers who have actually worked on the present investigation now retired ... none of whom have either leaked or stated openly their dissatisfaction with how it is being conducted.

Mr Sutton has never been associated with Madeleine's case.
His access is via exactly the same files available to us; his police experience perhaps entitles him to a generic observation it will never allow him an in-depth analysis because he will never have access to the information available to the present investigations being carried out by the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard.

So why do you believe Horrocks ?

He has nothing to do with this case.

Sutton is pursuing no agenda, and unlike Horrocks was not employed by the Sun to comment on this case.