Author Topic: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann  (Read 88157 times)

0 Members and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #195 on: May 17, 2017, 07:44:01 AM »
I claim that the abduction is a near certainty
The evidence to support that is on my signature line and it's all true
Amarals evidence is false
And you have not addressed the fact that he states his theory as fact
If you state something as a fact is it also a theory?  One day someone's theory could become a fact.  Amaral seemed to back his theory saying he could prove it was a fact, so it hadn't been proved as a fact yet, so I suppose it was still just a theory.  But I still struggle with the way it was presented.
Moderation
John has instructed all moderators to take a very strong line with posters who constantly breach the rules of this forum.  This sniping, goading, name calling and other various forms of disruption will cease.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #196 on: May 17, 2017, 07:45:58 AM »
If you state something as a fact is it also a theory?  One day someone's theory could become a fact.  Amaral seemed to back his theory saying he could prove it was a fact, so it hadn't been proved as a fact yet, so I suppose it was still just a theory.  But I still struggle with the way it was presented.
You have to look at the evidence he claimed
It was all rubbish

Offline Robittybob1

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #197 on: May 17, 2017, 07:54:31 AM »
You have to look at the evidence he claimed
It was all rubbish
You would need to a have caveat "IMO", or is it an accepted fact: "It was all rubbish"?
Moderation
John has instructed all moderators to take a very strong line with posters who constantly breach the rules of this forum.  This sniping, goading, name calling and other various forms of disruption will cease.

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #198 on: May 17, 2017, 08:23:57 AM »
PJ Final Report


pages 1 and 2

Ministry Of Justice

Judiciary Police

Investigative Criminal Department of Portimao

NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS

4th Brigade

Inspector Joao Carlos

Denouncer/Offended – Judiciary Police

Denunciated/Arguidos - Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat, identified and questioned at fls. 1170, 1947 and 1959.

*Gerald Patrick McCann, identified and questioned at fls. 2569.

*Kate Marie Healy, identified and questioned at fls. 2557.

Witnesses/Persons inquired – see Index

Type of Crime – Unknown

Time and Place – Between 21H05 and 22H00 of the day 3 May of 2007, at the G5A apartment, located at the touristic resort ‘Ocean Club’, Vila da Luz, Lagos.

Apprehended Objects – see Index (all the apprehended objects were given back to the owners by means of term)

Examinations done – see Index

Final Report

-------------------------


As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.


'..HIGHLY UNLIKELY PHYSICALLY..' does not mean it could not have happened.

PLUS ANOTHER PERTINENT PART....................

Type of Crime – Unknown




Offline Mr Gray

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #199 on: May 17, 2017, 08:30:05 AM »
PJ Final Report

That's right
Woke and wandered highly unlikely
Parents not suspects
That only leaves abduction
Well done


pages 1 and 2

Ministry Of Justice

Judiciary Police

Investigative Criminal Department of Portimao

NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS

4th Brigade

Inspector Joao Carlos

Denouncer/Offended – Judiciary Police

Denunciated/Arguidos - Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat, identified and questioned at fls. 1170, 1947 and 1959.

*Gerald Patrick McCann, identified and questioned at fls. 2569.

*Kate Marie Healy, identified and questioned at fls. 2557.

Witnesses/Persons inquired – see Index

Type of Crime – Unknown

Time and Place – Between 21H05 and 22H00 of the day 3 May of 2007, at the G5A apartment, located at the touristic resort ‘Ocean Club’, Vila da Luz, Lagos.

Apprehended Objects – see Index (all the apprehended objects were given back to the owners by means of term)

Examinations done – see Index

Final Report

-------------------------


As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.


'..HIGHLY UNLIKELY PHYSICALLY..' does not mean it could not have happened.

PLUS ANOTHER PERTINENT PART....................

Type of Crime – Unknown


Offline Mr Gray

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #200 on: May 17, 2017, 08:36:56 AM »
You can't deny he may have had information that is not in the file.

The evidence he claims supports his theory is rubbish

Offline G-Unit

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #201 on: May 17, 2017, 08:37:27 AM »
Some facts are known and the parents not suspects

Not enough facts to be sure what happened, however. Not being suspects is no guarantee of innocence.
Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #202 on: May 17, 2017, 08:38:42 AM »
Type of Crime – Unknown


Alfie

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #203 on: May 17, 2017, 08:39:21 AM »
I support Amaral's right to recount how the Portuguese investigation developed up to October 2007 and his personal views on it. I also support the McCann's right to promote their abduction theory. I don't support anyone who promotes these theories as facts, because the facts aren't known. If a poster thinks Madeleine was abducted they can say so, as long as they make it clear it's their opinion and not a proven fact.
What are you going to do about Mark Rowley who state on TV that Madeleine was abducted? 

ferryman

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #204 on: May 17, 2017, 08:40:35 AM »
Why do you believe that sympathy equates with pity or that anyone who offers their sympathy believes they know "how you must be suffering". My experience is that people will feel very inadequate when expressing comfort/sympathy because they do realise that unless they have shared the same loss/tragedy then words are very inadequate but that is all they have to offer,

What you highlight, Erngath, is precisely the difference between sympathy and empathy.

Those (thank goodness, the overwhelming majority) who have never lost a loved and cherished child cannot walk in the shoes of someone who has (empathy).

All those who never have can offer (to those who have) is sympathy, perhaps second-rate (to empathy) but , still, a vast improvement on outright hostility.

I don't recall the exact detail, but I do recall Kerry Needham inviting Kate (from memory) to appear (I think) on a television show with her (way back) to share experiences of being the mother of a lost child.

Kate declined the invitation, because (as she explained to Kerry) she found it hard to put herself in the shoes of a mother who had been apart from her child as long as Kerry (then) had.

Still, Kate's response was (perceived by Kerry!) as warm and (yes!) empathetic: Kate (then) was able to walk in Kerry's shoes, but just not quite as far.

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #205 on: May 17, 2017, 08:43:06 AM »
What you highlight, Erngath, is precisely the difference between sympathy and empathy.

Those (thank goodness, the overwhelming majority) who have never lost a loved and cherished child cannot walk in the shoes of someone who has (empathy).

All those who never have can offer (to those who have) is sympathy, perhaps second-rate (to empathy) but , still, a vast improvement on outright hostility.

I don't recall the exact detail, but I do recall Kerry Needham inviting Kate (from memory) to appear (I think) on a television show with her (way back) to share experiences of being the mother of a lost child.

Kate declined the invitation, because (as she explained to Kerry) she found it hard to put herself in the shoes of a mother who had been apart from her child as long as Kerry (then) had.

Still, Kate's response was (perceived by Kerry!) as warm and (yes!) empathetic: Kate (then) was able to walk in Kerry's shoes, but just not quite as far.

I'm afraid empathy is not a prerogative of Mccann supporters.

Stop trying to imply otherwise.

IMO, your 'feelings' are 1-dimensional, and solely in the direction of Kate and Gerry McCann.

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #206 on: May 17, 2017, 08:44:24 AM »
What are you going to do about Mark Rowley who state on TV that Madeleine was abducted?

Rowley doesn't know.

His interviews are full of contradictions, in a very limited investigation.

IMHO.

ferryman

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #207 on: May 17, 2017, 08:45:33 AM »
I'm afraid empathy is not a prerogative of Mccann supporters.

Stop trying to imply otherwise.

IMO, your 'feelings' are 1-dimensional, and solely in the direction of Kate and Gerry McCann.

I'm not surprised you didn't understand my post.

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #208 on: May 17, 2017, 08:46:29 AM »
I'm not surprised you didn't understand my post.

I understand your post only too well, along with it's motive.

Alfie

  • Guest
Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #209 on: May 17, 2017, 08:53:38 AM »
Rowley doesn't know.

His interviews are full of contradictions, in a very limited investigation.

IMHO.
He has stated abduction as fact. Fact.