UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann

[Eleanor]

its called  denial also    some supporters have admitted on here they did the same as the mcanns with their children  that would bias their opinion wouldnt  it

It can hardly be called Denial if one admits to having done the same thing.

[carlymichelle]

There is a more direct approach.

There was no evidence to find, to show a particular crime.

Your attack on the Portuguese initial  investigation is pare for the course, and far from the first time.

i dont think leaving  3  children under 4 alone  especally one that had already  asked her parents where  were they when she   cried is something to be proud of either

[G-Unit]

Operation Grange, of course, know exactly what crime was committed but haven't shared their reasons. Could it be that it was dictated by their remit?

[Brietta]

There is a more direct approach.

There was no evidence to find, to show a particular crime.

Your attack on the Portuguese initial  investigation is pare for the course, and far from the first time.

Perhaps because in large part the flawed tunnel vision of the first investigation has led us directly to the intervening years when only the parents of the missing child were looking for her.

The Portuguese authorities of the time appear to have been in agreement with me about aspects of the conduct and mismanagement of the case ... they did after all, sack the coordinator and appoint a new one.

[Brietta]

Operation Grange, of course, know exactly what crime was committed but haven't shared their reasons. Could it be that it was dictated by their remit?

In my opinion ... most certainly not.

[Alfie]

Cite the similarities.

Then we can examine the key differences.

Start a new thread about it by all means.

[Alfie]

Operation Grange, of course, know exactly what crime was committed but haven't shared their reasons. Could it be that it was dictated by their remit?

Upon what do you base this belief stated as fact with no caveat in place?

[stephen25000]

Perhaps because in large part the flawed tunnel vision of the first investigation has led us directly to the intervening years when only the parents of the missing child were looking for her.

The Portuguese authorities of the time appear to have been in agreement with me about aspects of the conduct and mismanagement of the case ... they did after all, sack the coordinator and appoint a new one.

Or is it your tunnel vision Brietta.

We already know why Amaral was removed as coordinator.

By the way, would you expect a UK police force to be happy, if a foreign force tried to directly intervene in a case over here ?

[stephen25000]

Perhaps because in large part the flawed tunnel vision of the first investigation has led us directly to the intervening years when only the parents of the missing child were looking for her.

The Portuguese authorities of the time appear to have been in agreement with me about aspects of the conduct and mismanagement of the case ... they did after all, sack the coordinator and appoint a new one.

What did the new coordinator achieve ?

[carlymichelle]

What did the new coordinator achieve ?

nothing??

[Benice]

Not so Alfie.  A reconstruction is an important tool for any police force and is used often in missing person enquiries.  The fact that the McCanns friends ultimately refused to take part in a reconstruction should have been picked up by Operation Grange, they and the parents and any other persons of interest should have be compelled to go back to Praia da Luz and take part in a full reconstruction.  The fact that this did not happen serves only to undermine the credibility of Op Grange and goes some way to supporting Colin Sutton's claim.

Anyone who believes that TEN people could possibly recreate their movements covering the hours between 5.30pm and 11.00pm, from a day - one year before -  with the degree of accuracy which it would be absolutely vital (in this particular case) to be achieved for it to be of any use whatsoever - hasn't thought it through IMO.

Nine of them could only give approximate times of their movements.   The odds against one of them - let alone all of them -  by sheer chance - accurately replicating the actual times of all the different moves they had made a year ago must be billions to one.     

What is absolutely certain is that getting it wrong by just a few minutes could cause a shambles.

Just one possible example:-

PJ officer to Jez.:     We want you to set off with the buggy at the same time you did on 3rd May when you met Gerry.

Jez to PJ officer :  -  But I don't know for sure what time it was.  I only know it was between a quarter to and a quarter past 8*.      I can have a guess but what if I get it wrong and when I arrive at the place I saw Gerry -  I'm too early and he is still inside 5a?      Do I wait for him for come out - and what happens when he comes out and goes to where he remembers talking to me -  on the other side of the road from me?    What do we do then?

PJ officer to Jez..................................................................................??
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If anyone has any ideas on how the myriad of problems caused by only knowing approximate times could be overcome - I would really like to hear them.  Maybe I've missed something.

AIMHO

* (times from memory)

[G-Unit]

Upon what do you base this belief stated as fact with no caveat in place?

What belief stated as fact?

[Eleanor]

Operation Grange, of course, know exactly what crime was committed but haven't shared their reasons. Could it be that it was dictated by their remit?

This is a Belief stated as Fact.  It requires a Caveat.

[Alfie]

What belief stated as fact?

"Operation Grange of course know exactly what crime was committed but haven't shared their reasons" - you wrote that.  Belief or fact?

[stephen25000]

This is a Belief stated as Fact.  It requires a Caveat.

The real question is, who ordered SY not to investigate the McCann's ?