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Offline Brietta

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #300 on: May 17, 2017, 02:58:20 PM »
You seem to have forgotten Brietta, there is no proof an abduction took place.

I know you'd be happy if all other theories are ignored, but that isn't going to happen.


Likewise, and I've asked this of McCann supporters many times, if there was no abduction as I believe as do others, where does that leave the Mccanns. ?

Not that I expect an answer.

That the abduction theory has no evidence to support it is very much a matter of opinion.  It appears that the theory that Madeleine was abducted is very prominent in the thinking of both the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard.

Both law enforcement agencies appear to have been following the same track by different routes if their interest in the long neglected child molester is anything to go by.

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Euclides Monteiro's wife Luisa Rodrigues said Portuguese police probing Madeleine's abduction questioned the convicted burglar the year after she vanished about a spate of sex attacks at Algarve holiday villas.

She claimed DNA tests had put the recovering heroin addict - a former worker at the Ocean Club holiday complex Madeleine vanished from seven years ago today - in the clear.

And she insisted detectives leading the hunt for Madeleine never asked Cape Verde-born Monteiro, who died in a 2009 tractor accident, about the missing child.

The revelation, pointing to an apparent failure by Portuguese detectives to link the breaks-ins to Madeleine's abduction early on, will raise fresh concern about the original police probe which led to her parents Gerry and Kate being made suspects.

It also raises questions about why Portuguese police heading a cold case review decided to question Monteiro's widow last year after making a link between Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance and the sex attacks his widow says he proved five years earlier he had nothing to do with.

British police heading a separate probe into Madeleine's disappearance are trying to identify a serial sex attacker who may have struck at least 18 times in Algarve holiday resorts, starting in 2004.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/473851/Burglar-was-quizzed-over-sex-assaults-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-before-he-died

You are mistaken when you claim your question remains unanswered.  I believe I have seen at least one response.

As far as I am concerned it is worth bearing in mind for the future ... I tend to ignore questions I consider fatuous.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfie

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #301 on: May 17, 2017, 03:04:10 PM »
You keep mentioning abduction Alf, so it seems to preoccupy you.

So Alf, without abduction, where does that leave the Mccanns. ?
Stephen, why do you keep spouting the same question, one which I'm sure I've already answered more than once (even though I'm not entirely sure I understand it).

Offline Mr Gray

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #302 on: May 17, 2017, 03:06:34 PM »
You seem to have forgotten Brietta, there is no proof an abduction took place.

I know you'd be happy if all other theories are ignored, but that isn't going to happen.


Likewise, and I've asked this of McCann supporters many times, if there was no abduction as I believe as do others, where does that leave the Mccanns. ?

Not that I expect an answer.

its rather a stupid question...where would Bradley Wiggins  be without a bike

Alfie

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #303 on: May 17, 2017, 03:09:34 PM »
Q Without abduction, where does that leave the McCanns?

A: At home in Rothley watching their three kids grow up.




Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #304 on: May 17, 2017, 03:31:26 PM »
Anyone who believes that TEN people could possibly recreate their movements covering the hours between 5.30pm and 11.00pm, from a day - one year before -  with the degree of accuracy which it would be absolutely vital (in this particular case) to be achieved for it to be of any use whatsoever - hasn't thought it through IMO.

Nine of them could only give approximate times of their movements.   The odds against one of them - let alone all of them -  by sheer chance - accurately replicating the actual times of all the different moves they had made a year ago must be billions to one.     

What is absolutely certain is that getting it wrong by just a few minutes could cause a shambles.

Just one possible example:-

PJ officer to Jez.:     We want you to set off with the buggy at the same time you did on 3rd May when you met Gerry.

Jez to PJ officer :  -  But I don't know for sure what time it was.  I only know it was between a quarter to and a quarter past 8*.      I can have a guess but what if I get it wrong and when I arrive at the place I saw Gerry -  I'm too early and he is still inside 5a?      Do I wait for him for come out - and what happens when he comes out and goes to where he remembers talking to me -  on the other side of the road from me?    What do we do then?

PJ officer to Jez..................................................................................??
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If anyone has any ideas on how the myriad of problems caused by only knowing approximate times could be overcome - I would really like to hear them.  Maybe I've missed something.

AIMHO

* (times from memory)
The only thing this tells me is you have definitely missed something.

What did the T9 have for dinner?  It does not appear to have been tapas.
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #305 on: May 17, 2017, 03:43:09 PM »
Q Without abduction, where does that leave the McCanns?

A: At home in Rothley watching their three kids grow up.

Why do you not answer the question ?

As we know, abduction is a theory.

A non-proven theory, as are the rest.

So I will answer the question myself.

Up shi# Creek without a paddle.

stephen25000

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #306 on: May 17, 2017, 03:44:37 PM »
That the abduction theory has no evidence to support it is very much a matter of opinion.  It appears that the theory that Madeleine was abducted is very prominent in the thinking of both the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard.

Both law enforcement agencies appear to have been following the same track by different routes if their interest in the long neglected child molester is anything to go by.

Quote
Euclides Monteiro's wife Luisa Rodrigues said Portuguese police probing Madeleine's abduction questioned the convicted burglar the year after she vanished about a spate of sex attacks at Algarve holiday villas.

She claimed DNA tests had put the recovering heroin addict - a former worker at the Ocean Club holiday complex Madeleine vanished from seven years ago today - in the clear.

And she insisted detectives leading the hunt for Madeleine never asked Cape Verde-born Monteiro, who died in a 2009 tractor accident, about the missing child.

The revelation, pointing to an apparent failure by Portuguese detectives to link the breaks-ins to Madeleine's abduction early on, will raise fresh concern about the original police probe which led to her parents Gerry and Kate being made suspects.

It also raises questions about why Portuguese police heading a cold case review decided to question Monteiro's widow last year after making a link between Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance and the sex attacks his widow says he proved five years earlier he had nothing to do with.

British police heading a separate probe into Madeleine's disappearance are trying to identify a serial sex attacker who may have struck at least 18 times in Algarve holiday resorts, starting in 2004.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/473851/Burglar-was-quizzed-over-sex-assaults-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-before-he-died

You are mistaken when you claim your question remains unanswered.  I believe I have seen at least one response.

As far as I am concerned it is worth bearing in mind for the future ... I tend to ignore questions I consider fatuous.

Has Madeleine disappearance been solved ?

NO.

Has her fate been determined ?

NO.


Has abduction been proved ?



NO.



Hat trick. 8(0(*

Alfie

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #307 on: May 17, 2017, 03:44:48 PM »
Why do you not answer the question ?

As we know, abduction is a theory.

A non-proven theory, as are the rest.

So I will answer the question myself.

Up shi# Creek without a paddle.

Can you explain why?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #308 on: May 17, 2017, 04:05:24 PM »
its rather a stupid question...where would Bradley Wiggins  be without a bike

Driving a Skoda according to the latest ads.
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stephen25000

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #309 on: May 17, 2017, 04:11:41 PM »
Can you explain why?

As if you don't know. 8)--))

Offline Eleanor

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #310 on: May 17, 2017, 04:46:33 PM »

We will have no more of, "Where would The McCanns be without Abductions."  This is impossible to answer.

I shall delete it if the question is asked again.

ferryman

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #311 on: May 17, 2017, 05:10:03 PM »
We will have no more of, "Where would The McCanns be without Abductions."  This is impossible to answer.

I shall delete it if the question is asked again.
With Madeleine is the simple answer, and none (of us!) would ever have heard of the McCanns.

stephen25000

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Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #312 on: May 17, 2017, 05:13:14 PM »
With Madeleine is the simple answer, and none (of us!) would ever have heard of the McCanns.

You have been told not to say directly or indirectly, abduction as fact.

It isn't.

Offline Brietta

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #313 on: May 17, 2017, 05:29:20 PM »
Has Madeleine disappearance been solved ?

NO.

Has her fate been determined ?

NO.


Has abduction been proved ?



NO.



Hat trick. 8(0(*

Your post seems to indicate great satisfaction as you shout "NO" to each of your statements.  Rather reminiscent to me of the Tory public school boys and girls in chorus in the Cameron days; and making as much sense.

You keep on returning to the flawed tunnel vision of the police in almost every post you make ... were the Brits in the loop with the lead authority?  You tell me if you like.
In my opinion it is doubtful for the simple reason the Brits knew how to conduct a missing child inquiry ... it seems the Portuguese did not.  Or at least those in charge of Madeleine's case did not.

Did Madeleine have a fatal accident in her accommodation? 
The investigation failed to rule that one in so why did the coordinator refuse to rule it out? 
There was not a shred of evidence ruling it in but there was forensic evidence ruling it out. What was thought to be blood spatter did not test as blood except for that of the GNR officer who bled there.

So why the tunnel vision of insisting on one theory which may very well have cost Madeleine the opportunity of being found when there were others open for investigation?

It really isn't a plus point for the primary investigation reminding people of the lack of evidence available in Madeleine's case.
It is generally recognised that there was failure in harvesting materials for forensic examination ... didn't Amaral say something along the lines of lack of experience/ resources in his book?

In my opinion there is plenty of evidence showing they were investigating death ... but in the total lack of evidence for that was there not better reason to throw everything into the search for a living child who might unfortunately be found dead.
But why wasn't she granted the presumption of being alive and waiting to be found?  To me that is the greatest failure of all.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann
« Reply #314 on: May 17, 2017, 05:42:22 PM »
With Madeleine is the simple answer, and none (of us!) would ever have heard of the McCanns.

Unless, of course, she disappeared for another reason.............
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