UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann

[Brietta]

I cannot for the life of me understand how hauling Paulo Ribeiro from Luz to Faro, making him an arguido, forcing him to pay for a lawyer, and subjecting him to 250 questions, can possibly be considered good practice.  And I see no point in defending the indefensible.  That man simply does not have the mental capacity to keep a major secret to himself for 7 years.

What was wrong with the PJ station in Portimão used for the McCann interviews?  Was it too far from the OG hotel?

Anyone who watched Panorama's interview with Paulo Ribeiro who thinks he was treated 'professionally' by OG is severely lacking in empathy, IMO.  Unless empathy for them starts and ends with Kate and Gerry.

Is there no provision in Portugal to assist vulnerable adults on the occasion they might require to attend police interview?

Fred West had an Appropriate Adult in attendance during his interviews.

[Brietta]

Many years later and at a fraction of the cost, professional opinion allowed an accidental death to be the cause of Ben Needhams disappearance, so its not so preposterous imo.

For how many years were Kerry and Ben's family allowed to suffer the torture of the damned before that conclusion was reached.
I don't know if they will ever get closure as they didn't even have a body to bury at the end of it all.

[Alice Purjorick]

Will someone, preferably a mod, tell me what Leonor Cipriano has to do with OG and the UK police force ?
The woman is a convicted murderess who does not figure in "UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann" the end.

 

[ShiningInLuz]

Is there no provision in Portugal to assist vulnerable adults on the occasion they might require to attend police interview?

Fred West had an Appropriate Adult in attendance during his interviews.

For the umpteenth time, UK procedure in the UK matters not a jot.  The interview was in Portugal.

I haven't got a clue what the support procedures are in Faro, nor do I care.

It is blindingly obvious that man could not be trusted with a major secret for 7 years, as the Panorama programme clearly demonstrated.

Sr Ribeiro claims he was at home, alone, that night.  His home is seemingly very close to the Smithman sighting.  What magical piece of 'evidence' was he able to provide in response to those 250 questions that convinced OG he was not involved?

He was after all still guilty of living in Luz and using a mobile.  Just like Kate and Gerry.

[Brietta]

For the umpteenth time, UK procedure in the UK matters not a jot.  The interview was in Portugal.

I haven't got a clue what the support procedures are in Faro, nor do I care.

It is blindingly obvious that man could not be trusted with a major secret for 7 years, as the Panorama programme clearly demonstrated.

Sr Ribeiro claims he was at home, alone, that night.  His home is seemingly very close to the Smithman sighting.  What magical piece of 'evidence' was he able to provide in response to those 250 questions that convinced OG he was not involved?

He was after all still guilty of living in Luz and using a mobile.  Just like Kate and Gerry.

Then is it appropriate to criticise Scotland Yard for a situation you confess to knowing nothing about?

[barrier]

Sr Ribeiro claims he was at home, alone, that night.  His home is seemingly very close to the Smithman sighting.  What magical piece of 'evidence' was he able to provide in response to those 250 questions that convinced OG he was not involved?

The truth, perchance.

[barrier]

As for being asked if he was involved in the killing of Madeleine, I seem to remember that The Mccanns were asked the very same question by the PJ.  That to the bereaved parents of a missing child was insensitive to the extreme.   
Please correct me if i have that wrong about the Mccanns being asked that question.

The fate of Madeleine was undetermined then as now,if a question can be asked if involvement in the alleged killing are as pertinent now, then they were then after all its ruling every thing out before honing in on their final theory.

[sadie]

The fate of Madeleine was undetermined then as now,if a question can be asked if involvement in the alleged killing are as pertinent now, then they were then after all its ruling every thing out before honing in on their final theory.

Erm.

I dont understand what you are saying.

[ShiningInLuz]

Then is it appropriate to criticise Scotland Yard for a situation you confess to knowing nothing about?

I haven't confessed to knowing nothing about the situation, have I?  I have stated that I know nothing about whether special support was put in place for Sr Ribeiro.  It still matters not a jot.

If you think hauling that man to Faro for 2 days, forcing him to significant expense, subjecting him to 250 questions including whether he was involved in killing Madeleine is proportionate, then I beg to differ.

Kindly address the reason why.  Was that man capable of harbouring a major secret for 7 years?  Would you have him on your burglary team?  Would you involve him in the disposal of a dead child?

I find it revealing that you appear to have no empathy for Sr Ribeiro.

[jassi]

I haven't confessed to knowing nothing about the situation, have I?  I have stated that I know nothing about whether special support was put in place for Sr Ribeiro.  It still matters not a jot.

If you think hauling that man to Faro for 2 days, forcing him to significant expense, subjecting him to 250 questions including whether he was involved in killing Madeleine is proportionate, then I beg to differ.

Kindly address the reason why.  Was that man capable of harbouring a major secret for 7 years?  Would you have him on your burglary team?  Would you involve him in the disposal of a dead child?

I find it revealing that you appear to have no empathy for Sr Ribeiro.

Well no surprise there. He's not part of the team.

[ShiningInLuz]

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Paulo was driven along motorway and good quality fairly straight roads ... and he says that he was treated well.   Totally different treatment.

As for being asked if he was involved in the killing of Madeleine, I seem to remember that The Mccanns were asked the very same question by the PJ.  That to the bereaved parents of a missing child was insensitive to the extreme.   
Please correct me if i have that wrong about the Mccanns being asked that question.

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Nowhere in the Panorama programme was Sr Ribeiro asked if he was treated well by OG, nor does he state such.

The thread is about UK police, not the PJ.

[Eleanor]

Nowhere in the Panorama programme was Sr Ribeiro asked if he was treated well by OG, nor does he state such.

The thread is about UK police, not the PJ.

So what did The UK Police do to Sr. Ribeiro in the absence of The PJ?

From what I have seen he agreed to talk to a UK Journalist, and it was a bit painful.  But there was an Interpreter present. 

And being a bit short of marbles isn't a reason for not interviewing him.

[sadie]

Nowhere in the Panorama programme was Sr Ribeiro asked if he was treated well by OG, nor does he state such.

The thread is about UK police, not the PJ.

My apologies:

I may have read your post Reply #384 on: Today at 11:15:35 AM incorrectly.

It seemed that you were saying that Ribeiro 'considered himself professionally treated by OG'.   Your sentence is a bit ambiguous.

There is nothing that I have seen that suggests that OG treated him in anyway that was other than respectful.  I dont understand your gripes.

[slartibartfast]

Please keep to the topic.

[ShiningInLuz]

So what did The UK Police do to Sr. Ribeiro in the absence of The PJ?

From what I have seen he agreed to talk to a UK Journalist, and it was a bit painful.  But there was an Interpreter present. 

And being a bit short of marbles isn't a reason for not interviewing him.

The process he would have gone through at Faro would have been a variant of that used re Kate and Gerry, but somewhat more tortuous.

In that room there would have been Sr Ribeiro, his lawyer, probably at least 2 PJ officers, probably at least 2 OG officers, a translator, and possibly a support staff.  Somewhere around 7 strangers.  Then the little matter of 250 questions, and handling the language translation.

He had travelled from Luz to Faro the day before, but had to hang around to the next day before starting.  Most people would find such an interview somewhat stressful.  It is pretty obvious from the Panorama episode that Sr Monteiro would find it more than somewhat stressful.

The Panorama interview was the BBC presenter, a translator and a video man.  It was on Sr Ribeiro's home turf, near to where he lives, he hadn't just been made an arguido, and it wasn't 250 questions long.  But it was still clearly stressful.

Is this man fit enough to be part of a burglary team?  Has this man been keeping secret the truth behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for the last 10 years?