CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[John]

Gerry called Kate twice.  Those calls were double recorded.  From memory, the first was at 23.17.

Amaral makes no bones about the first mobile call between the parents and claims they were recorded at 10pm.  Yet no such record is found in the released telephone logs, can anyone explain this?

[Mr Gray]

Amaral makes no bones about the first mobile call between the parents and claims they were recorded at 10pm.  Yet no such record is found in the released telephone logs, can anyone explain this?

My explanation would be he's making it up but listening to the video this may not be exactly what he said

Or judging by the rest of his comments he may just have misunderstood something
The call logs are accurate and there is no call at 10

[John]

Amaral seems to be determined that the cadaver carried in the Scenic was frozen (and thawing).  So I'd say a body in a freezer is really hidden.  I was going to see the connection of the timing of the 3 men carrying a bag into the church and the cadaver in wagon story.  Did someone note the dates?  With the dialogue in Portuguese and subtitles  I find it rather difficult to go through the entire video.

I don't buy the cremation story either.  If Madeleine was deceased and hidden, nobody in their right mind is going to risk carrying her through the streets to a church before secreting her in a coffin.  It's just bonkers imo.

If she was deceased the perpetrator would want to hide her as soon as possible and not go back.

[Erngath]

I don't buy the cremation story either.  If Madeleine was deceased and hidden, nobody in their right mind is going to risk carrying her through the streets to a church before secreting her in a coffin.  It's just bonkers imo.

If she was deceased the perpetrator would want to hide her as soon as possible and not go back.

Amaral doesn't think it's bonkers!
Shows the type of mindset he has. (imo)

[ferryman]

I don't buy the cremation story either.  If Madeleine was deceased and hidden, nobody in their right mind is going to risk carrying her through the streets to a church before secreting her in a coffin.  It's just bonkers imo.

Credit for that post.

But would you not say, John, that the fact Amaral proposed it, indicates, in addition to it being bonkers, an abandonment by Amaral of huge swathes of what Amaral lays out in his book?

Very clearly, if Madeleine was cremated in a coffin, she can't, also, have been interred on the beach, disinterred, moved somewhere in a vehicle hired 3 weeks later (etc).

Can she?

[John]

Amaral seems to be convinced that Madeleine's DNA was in the car, and his opinion is based on the first report from the FSS. That's the reason why he theorises about a body being stored. Is that first report in the files? I'm not sure.

Amaral insists that someone from the now defunct FSS led him to believe that they found an exact match to Madeleine in the hire car, even Sky's Martin Brunt went live on air to say the same.  Question is, who told Amaral this and why did the formal results not correspond with what he had been told earlier.  Were the final DNA results tampered with as he claims?

[John]

Credit for that post.

But would you not say, John, that the fact Amaral proposed it, indicates, in addition to it being bonkers, an abandonment by Amaral of huge swathes of what Amaral lays out in his book?

Very clearly, if Madeleine was cremated in a coffin, she can't, also, have been interred on the beach, disinterred, moved somewhere in a vehicle hired 3 weeks later (etc).

Can she?

Yes, I agree, he is proposing several theories, they can't all be right.

[Mr Gray]

Amaral insists that someone from the now defunct FSS led him to believe that they found an exact match to Madeleine in the hire car, even Sky's Martin Brunt went live on air to say the same.  Question is, who told Amaral this and why did the formal results not correspond with what he had been told earlier.  Were the final DNA results tampered with as he claims?

or did amaral simply misunderstand as he has misunderstood much as we have seen in the video

[John]

Well that's a new one on me I have to say... If the recollections are inaccurate then how can they be telling the truth?

 I cannot accept that these doctors can barely string a sentence together in interviews of such importance but can  chop, over the weeks/months, and changed things due to 'recollection'. The recollections of Jane Tanner and Kate McCann vastly improved to make an abductor story more pliable.

Tannerman certainly improved from what was originally an eggman.

[John]

or did amaral simply misunderstand as he has misunderstood much as we have seen in the video

A distinct possibility.

[pathfinder73]

To get back on topic:

He went further than that and claimed that David Payne  went to 5A  specifically  ' to help the mother to give the children a bath'.  What a big fat lie that was.

Apparently - he doesn't even know enough about the case to know that David Payne's  reason for leaving the tennis courts was to go back to his own apartment to pick up his tennis gear.   Gerry asked him to pop in on Kate on his way to see if she was OK.  The children had already been bathed,

He also claims that Gerry said .... ...... was in 5a for half an hour.  As a policeman you would think he could have worked it out for himself that it was not possible for Gerry to know how long .... ...... was in 5A - because he wasn't there,   It's quite obvious that Gerry was saying how long he thought it was before .... ...... came back to play tennis after he'd got his tennis gear.   

The more I read the blatent distortions and downright lies that Amaral  is purporting to be 'evidence' in this video - the more relieved I am that Kate heeded her lawyers advice and didn't give him the opportunity to do the same job on her over anything she had said  - had she answered those questions.
AIMHO

Amaral has the right to question it because there is evidence from the McCanns that normal bath time was 6:30pm onwards in PDL.

Normal routine - return back from play area at 18:30 then baths before bed.

"The dinner ended at 17h30 the time at which the employee supervision ended and the parents took over watching the children in the play area until 18h30. Following this they returned to the apartment, the deponent opened the main door with his key and, then, the rear door through which KATE and the children entered.
----- The hygiene done, the children were put to bed about 19h30."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Gerry was at tennis on 3 May 2007 when Fiona said this in her rog interview - Kate was getting them bathed and ready for bed.

"Kate and the kids, I think, as I said earlier, weren't there and, you know, they, as Gerry said, were just absolutely knackered and Kate was getting them bathed and ready for bed."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

David visit was at around 6:30pm.

[stephen25000]

Amaral was wrong.

And there was no 'interference', just support for English nationals in strife abroad.

There was clear interference in this case from the UK.

[ferryman]

There was clear interference in this case from the UK.

No .....

[Eleanor]

Rowley in that case was talking in his own version of creole in his last interview.imo

Sorry, I don't speak Creole.  And my French isn't all that good either.

[stephen25000]

No .....

Blair, Brown at the start.

Cameron and May, subsequently.

Now find me an example of where 4 P.M.'s have been involved in a case which took place in another country.