CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[Robittybob1]

Madeleine disappeared, when they were supposed to be taking care of their children.

They claim they regularly checked their children.

We only have two recorded instances of them doing so.

The McCann's claim THEY MADE regular checks.

There are only two recorded................

As to 'abduction', NOT A FACT.

Shouldn't you write: "Not a proven fact"?

Are you not including Matt's check?  they checked before they left 1 Gerry's check 2 Matt's check 3 and Kate's check 4  so I make that 4 checks.

[stephen25000]

Shouldn't you write: "Not a proven fact"?

Are you not including Matt's check?  they checked before they left 1 Gerry's check 2 Matt's check 3 and Kate's check 4  so I make that 4 checks.

I was referring to the Mccanns checks Rob.

ONLY 2 on record. 1 each.

Now I wonder what happened on the other nights. &%+((£

[G-Unit]

Doors & keys appear to have been a matter of high importance in GM's statement of 10th May. Count how many times they were referred to in the statement, presumably each one  in response to a  PJ question.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

I expect they had realised that his first statement didn't make sense. Kate would have seen the open window and shutters from the outside if she had used the main door as Gerry said. 

[G-Unit]

Another of Amaral's facts is that JT managed to pass two people without either of them seeing her. JW said;

I can affirm that it was a quiet street and it was very unlikely that someone could have passed by be in this way
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

Once again, this fact has been hotly discussed. Various excuses and explanations have been offered, but the fact remains that JT wasn't seen by either of the men. One of them found that very unlikely.

[ferryman]

Another of Amaral's facts is that JT managed to pass two people without either of them seeing her. JW said;

I can affirm that it was a quiet street and it was very unlikely that someone could have passed by be in this way
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

Once again, this fact has been hotly discussed. Various excuses and explanations have been offered, but the fact remains that JT wasn't seen by either of the men. One of them found that very unlikely.

That is a fact.

What of it.

[Mr Gray]

Another of Amaral's facts is that JT managed to pass two people without either of them seeing her. JW said;

I can affirm that it was a quiet street and it was very unlikely that someone could have passed by be in this way
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

Once again, this fact has been hotly discussed. Various excuses and explanations have been offered, but the fact remains that JT wasn't seen by either of the men. One of them found that very unlikely.

the full quote...
I can affirm that it was a quiet street and it was very unlikely that someone could have passed by be in this way but this as an assumption and I do not remember anything having happened.

[sadie]

Shouldn't you write: "Not a proven fact"?

Are you not including Matt's check?  they checked before they left 1 Gerry's check 2 Matt's check 3 and Kate's check 4  so I make that 4 checks.

Plus Matt made another check that seems to have been forgotten.  This was before Gerrys check and it was just a listening check outside the childrens bedroom window.  [A la Butlins Holiday camp child checks.]

It is on record somewhere that Matt was a bit "miffed" that Gerry almost immediately got up to do his check, so soon after Matts.  Matts listening check must have been just before 9pm

[Carana]

We know that the cadaver dog alerted where the blood dog didn't, therefore not blood alert.

No way of knowing. Grime stated that Keela would only react in the physical presence of blood, but he said no such thing about Eddie. It therefore can't be excluded that Eddie had reacted to a trace of blood that was no longer physically present.

The flat had been rented again after the first month, right up until a week prior to the dogs' arrival - and I can't find any trace of them making any statements in the PT files. Perhaps OG has done so since then.

[barrier]

then you rknowledge of the case is poor...rowley stated as a fact that maddie was abducted...the quote was posted by me last night

MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the
original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was
all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of
investigation. The McCanns are parents of a missing girl, we are trying to get to the bottom of. In
terms of Andy using the word abduction, she was not old enough to set off and start her own life.
However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone
missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the
heart of this has been an abduction.

What he clearly didn't say was it was limited to wholly and solely a stranger abduction.

[Carana]

Amaral refers to the fact that Gerry McCann changed his account of how he entered his apartment on the evening of 3rd May. It is a fact because it's there in black and white in his statements.

Those who support the McCanns deny or excuse this fact. Gerry was confused, the interpreter was confused, the translator was confused etc., etc. Does that change anything? No, the fact remains.

Casting doubt on the facts is counter-productive because Operation Grange relied on the original files (allegedly) to decide there was no need to investigate the parents.

If the files can't be relied on then Operation Grange have made a big mistake.

The established fact is that that is what is written in his initial statement (then "clarified" in his second one), not whether what was stated is accurate or not.   

[ferryman]

No way of knowing. Grime stated that Keela would only react in the physical presence of blood, but he said no such thing about Eddie. It therefore can't be excluded that Eddie had reacted to a trace of blood that was no longer physically present.

The flat had been rented again after the first month, right up until a week prior to the dogs' arrival - and I can't find any trace of them making any statements in the PT files. Perhaps OG has done so since then.

Not one, single, mention of the word 'blood' in John Lowe's forensic report.

Odd, that.

Absolutely everything sent to the FSS was reacted to by Keela, trained to react to nothing else.

[G-Unit]

Another of Amaral's facts is the deep sleep of the twins, which isn't mentioned as a concern until two months later when Kate suggests they should be tested.

[Carana]

Another of Amaral's facts is the deep sleep of the twins, which isn't mentioned as a concern until two months later when Kate suggests they should be tested.

You mean apart from when she first raised the concern with the UK family liaison officers as soon as they arrived two or so days after the disappearance?

[ferryman]

Another of Amaral's facts is the deep sleep of the twins, which isn't mentioned as a concern until two months later when Kate suggests they should be tested.

After the McCanns had been accused of drugging the twins.

(Accusation also came much later).

[ferryman]

You mean apart from when she first raised the concern with the UK family liaison officers as soon as they arrived two or so days after the disappearance?

And yes, good point.