CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[John]

Amaral's actions and motivation have been examined by the Portuguese Courts and no sign of deliberately spreading disinformation was discovered. He has promoted his theory in his own country just as the McCanns have in theirs.

Anyone would think the Portuguese people just passively accept everything they are told by their media without question. I don't suppose they do, any more than people in the UK do. Scepticism regarding the MSM is higher than it's ever been. People laughed scornfully on Question Time last night at the suggestion that the UK media presents balanced news. To many, the newspapers in particular are irrelevant these days.

The last guest to speak apparently conducted a survey to see who among his contacts buys a newspaper these days and not one admitted to doing so.  I think if you want some entertaining reading buy a newspaper but if you want to find out the truth of what is happening in the country then don't bother.  Just about every news organisation is politically driven to promote a certain point of view so if it's an unbiased read you want forget it.  I think the BBC for all its woes comes closest to what we really expect from a news gatherer these days, at least the director general is accountable.

[ShiningInLuz]

I'm gobsmacked if anyone can watch this video (and others) and come to the conclusion that it is the McCanns own fault if the PT people have turned against them.   IMO Amaral has been allowed to feed the PT public a continuous diet of disinformation and misinformation for the last 10 years  - with never a hint of a challenge in sight!     Isn't that exactly how propaganda works?       That would never be allowed to happen in this country - where opposing opinions are required for the sake of balance and fairness.

Add that to the vicious smear campaign conducted against the McCanns in the media from day one - and the natural desire of the Portuguese to want the perpetrator to be a 'foreigner' -  and is it any surprise if the totally one sided campaign against them has apparently been so successful.

AIMHO

I find that stuffed with nonsense and disinformation, so much so that I will not bother replying to it point by point.

Just one allegation - the natural desire of the Portuguese to want the perpetrator to be a 'foreigner'.  What rubbish.  Have you actually looked at the photos or videos of the early days in Luz and the support and backing afforded by the Portuguese community in Luz?  Have you read Kate's book?  Did the Portuguese people immediately hope it was Johnny Brit wot dun it?

It would be helpful if your posts contained a degree of veracity when you are making such assertions.  Sticking AIMHO on it does not cut the mustard.

AIMHO.   

[ferryman]

I find that stuffed with nonsense and disinformation, so much so that I will not bother replying to it point by point.

Just one allegation - the natural desire of the Portuguese to want the perpetrator to be a 'foreigner'.  What rubbish.  Have you actually looked at the photos or videos of the early days in Luz and the support and backing afforded by the Portuguese community in Luz?  Have you read Kate's book?  Did the Portuguese people immediately hope it was Johnny Brit wot dun it?

It would be helpful if your posts contained a degree of veracity when you are making such assertions.  Sticking AIMHO on it does not cut the mustard.

AIMHO.   

I find (Benice's) post to be (pretty much) spot-on, except with the proviso that I'm sure many decent Portuguese citizens have not swallowed the propaganda, and have reached a sensible and balanced assessment of all the information.

I think their integrity in doing so, against the tide of disinformation that has spewed out from so many sources is to be applauded. 

[G-Unit]

I find (Benice's) post to be (pretty much) spot-on, except with the proviso that I'm sure many decent Portuguese citizens have not swallowed the propaganda, and have reached a sensible and balanced assessment of all the information.

I think their integrity in doing so, against the tide of disinformation that has spewed out from so many sources is to be applauded.

I think the word 'disinformation' requires evidence of a deliberate intention to deceive by spreading false information.  Can that really be posted as if it was a fact?

[Mr Gray]

I think the word 'disinformation' requires evidence of a deliberate intention to deceive by spreading false information.  Can that really be posted as if it was a fact?

It is difficult to prove but what is a fact is that FALSE information has been promoted
That is 100% true
The video that is the subject of this thread is a perfect example

[ShiningInLuz]

I find (Benice's) post to be (pretty much) spot-on, except with the proviso that I'm sure many decent Portuguese citizens have not swallowed the propaganda, and have reached a sensible and balanced assessment of all the information.

I think their integrity in doing so, against the tide of disinformation that has spewed out from so many sources is to be applauded.

This is the type of propaganda that really needs to be scythed down.  The idea that 'decent' people have reached a 'sensible and balanced assessment' is low on facts and reeking with emotion.

Portugal is a country with a lot of decent people in it.  The fact that most do not support the McCanns seems not to be to your liking.  But the fact remains that the bulk of these decent people do not support the McCanns.

[ferryman]

This is the type of propaganda that really needs to be scythed down.  The idea that 'decent' people have reached a 'sensible and balanced assessment' is low on facts and reeking with emotion.

Portugal is a country with a lot of decent people in it.  The fact that most do not support the McCanns seems not to be to your liking.  But the fact remains that the bulk of these decent people do not support the McCanns.

Perhaps there are some (otherwise) decent people in Portugal who have been suckkered in by the disinformation and propaganda. 

Dunno!

[stephen25000]

Perhaps there are some (otherwise) decent people in Portugal who have been suckkered in by the disinformation and propaganda. 

Dunno!

I presume you are referring to both sides of the case ?

[ferryman]

I presume you are referring to both sides of the case ?

No.

[stephen25000]

No.

...and that is the problem I have with your posts.

You are unwilling to accept that mistakes and misinformation has come from both sides.

[Mr Gray]

This is the type of propaganda that really needs to be scythed down.  The idea that 'decent' people have reached a 'sensible and balanced assessment' is low on facts and reeking with emotion.

Portugal is a country with a lot of decent people in it.  The fact that most do not support the McCanns seems not to be to your liking.  But the fact remains that the bulk of these decent people do not support the McCanns.

Portugal is full of decent people
But they have been fed false information
See the above video for proof

[stephen25000]

Portugal is full of decent people
But they have been fed false information
See the above video for proof

Just your opinion, and shared by some Mccann supporters.

The crime remains undetermined, no matter the bluster.

Amaral has  and had his theories. No one is forcing you to believe them, and that applies to the 'abduction' scenario as well.

People can decide for themselves.

[Mr Gray]

Just your opinion, and shared by some Mccann supporters.

The crime remains undetermined, no matter the bluster.

Amaral has  and had his theories. No one is forcing you to believe them, and that applies to the 'abduction' scenario as well.

People can decide for themselves.

It isn't opinion it is fact.... Absolute fact
The video is proof of this
Have you watched it

[misty]

Just your opinion, and shared by some Mccann supporters.

The crime remains undetermined, no matter the bluster.

Amaral has  and had his theories. No one is forcing you to believe them, and that applies to the 'abduction' scenario as well.

People can decide for themselves.

What is it the sceptics think Amaral can achieve by continually promoting so much nonsense? Quite clearly there would be absolutely no way the McCanns could ever be prosecuted in Portugal due to the excessive media output, scuppering any chance of a fair trial. What motive can he possibly have, other than making money & sticking the knife into all those who have suffered as a result of Madeleine's "fate unknown"?

[jassi]

What is it the sceptics think Amaral can achieve by continually promoting so much nonsense? Quite clearly there would be absolutely no way the McCanns could ever be prosecuted in Portugal due to the excessive media output, scuppering any chance of a fair trial. What motive can he possibly have, other than making money & sticking the knife into all those who have suffered as a result of Madeleine's "fate unknown"?

What is it that supporters think they achieve by continually slagging Amaral off ?