Author Topic: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?  (Read 61212 times)

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #225 on: June 02, 2017, 10:09:34 AM »
As another reminder, Rowley was expressing his opinion, that's all.

Is Rowley, by the way, part of the remaining 4 people, on the team, or is he merely the spokesman.

That of course was a rhetorical question.

It is not his job to say an abduction occurred. Surely , that would be determined in court, if anyone was brought to court of course.

Makes one wonder who the 4 are,Wall is involved in other investigations
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stephen25000

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #226 on: June 02, 2017, 10:09:55 AM »
Listen to it.

It's what Rowley said.

...and it's just his opinion.

No more, no less.

By the way, is he actively involved in the investigation ?

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #227 on: June 02, 2017, 10:10:27 AM »
Listen to it.

It's what Rowley said.

Reference point please.
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stephen25000

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #228 on: June 02, 2017, 10:11:22 AM »
Makes one wonder who the 4 are,Wall is involved in other investigations

Indeed Barrier.

Ms. Wall seems to have disappeared into the mist, since she took over the investigation.

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #229 on: June 02, 2017, 10:17:54 AM »
Reference point has already been provided.

I must have missed it,bit impolite not to give it again though.
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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #230 on: June 02, 2017, 10:18:46 AM »
I must have missed it,bit impolite not to give it again though.

Read the title of the thread

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #231 on: June 02, 2017, 10:20:40 AM »
Read the title of the thread

So the gist of it is its your opinion and Rowley never actually said what you alleged.Bit norty.
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stephen25000

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #232 on: June 02, 2017, 10:25:32 AM »
Selective quoting (yet again)

It seems evident to us and because the files contain enough elements for such, that the crime of exposure or abandonment according to article 138 of the Penal Code can be eliminated from that range:

"1 - Whoever places another person's life in danger,
a) By exposing her in a location where she is subject to a situation from which she, on her own, cannot defend herself against; or
b) Abandoning her without defence, whenever the agent had the duty to guard her, to watch over her or to assist her;"

This legal type of crime is only fulfilled with intent, and this intent has to cover the creation of danger to the victim's life, as well as the absence of a capacity to defend herself, on the victim's behalf. In the case of the files and facing the elements that were collected it is evident that none of the arguidos Gerald or Kate acted with intent. The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger, nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality.


Dismissal of 'neglect'

The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.

Mark Rowley was not wrong to conclude Madeleine was abducted.

The McCann's repeated their behaviour of leaving their children unattended, with some checks.

The apartment was locked in the daytime, which means they were aware of the possibility of burglary.

Then we have  Rui Pereira's view on this.

Offline John

Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #233 on: June 02, 2017, 10:27:59 AM »
Are you thinking it could be as bad as that?

At this juncture nothing should be discarded.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline John

Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #234 on: June 02, 2017, 10:35:20 AM »
I know people passionately believe in the abduction scenario but I really don't understand why it's so important to them to be allowed to post about it as a fact. To me it's a great big fuss about nothing but a slight adjustment to posts.

I have no idea, either, why the Metropolitan Police should be seen as the oracle. They are not even the best police force in England and Wales, never mind in the world as some claim. The best police force in 2016 was Durham, according to HMIC.

It has long been suspected that Operation Grange were investigating only an abduction and no other possibility because of the wording of their remit. Colin Sutton confirmed this.

The Supreme Court of Portugal's recent ruling about the situation at the time of the archiving suggests that Operation Grange may have misunderstood the findings of the first investigation.

Rowley's claim that parental involvement was 'dealt with' by the PJ is therefore questionable. His dismissal of 'woke and wandered' by asserting that the child wasn't old enough to go off and start a new life was, in my opinion, an insult to people's intelligence. Most people can come up with other reasons to explain why Madeleine might have left the apartment.

Operation Grange may have evidence of abduction but equally they may not. Perhaps one day we will find out, but until we do there's no reason to believe they are on the right track in my opinion.

A very reasoned post G-Unit.  The original investigation was thwarted by the refusal of numerous individuals who were there that night to cooperate and take part in a reconstruction so my question is how can Rowley possibly state with a straight face that they took up where the Portuguese left off?  Have SY undertaken a full reconstruction?...I think not!

His comments about Maddie not being old enough to go off and start a new life was flippant and very unprofessional.  I wonder what her parents thought about that comment?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #235 on: June 02, 2017, 10:42:42 AM »
I believe Maddie was abducted... I don't know for sure but based on the evidence I think its way ahead the most likely scenario....
We had a situation yesterday when it was forbidden to repeat Rowleys claim that Maddie was abducted. Why do some people have such a problem with that....I find that very strange and it seems that the abduction scenario needed to be suppressed.

You're way off kilter on that one davel.  You were given every opportunity to provide evidence and all I recall seeing was Maddie was gone and the window was open, neither of which relate solely to abduction.

Rowley might be right about one thing and that is she was abducted AFTER leaving the apartment of her own volition so in that respect he was not wrong to claim she was abducted... "however she left the apartment".
« Last Edit: June 02, 2017, 10:44:47 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #236 on: June 02, 2017, 10:45:52 AM »
I do not read the interview that way.

If you read the response and the question, as a whole, my interpretation of his response has always been that he did not dismiss woke and wandered.

The question refers to 'woke and wandered'.

His response is roughly however she left the apartment she did not leave to start a new life.

I.E. If she left the apartment voluntarily she did not leave to start a new life because she was only 4 years old, therefore there was third-party involvement.

He states abduction as third party involvement, but third party involvement also includes removal of a body after an accident IMO.

Absolutely spot on!
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #237 on: June 02, 2017, 10:46:09 AM »
You're way off kilter on that one davel.  You were given every opportunity to provide evidence and all I recall seeing was Maddie was gone and the window was open, neither of which relate solely to abduction.

Rowley might be right about one thing and that is she was abducted AFTER leaving the apartment of her own volition so in that respect he was not wrong to claim she was abducted... "however she left the apartment".

Why do you think the archiving report said woke and wandered was highly unlikely

That is part of my thinking

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #238 on: June 02, 2017, 10:47:23 AM »
A very reasoned post G-Unit.  The original investigation was thwarted by the refusal of numerous individuals who were there that night to cooperate and take part in a reconstruction so my question is how can Rowley possibly state with a straight face that they took up where the Portuguese left off?  Have SY undertaken a full reconstruction?...I think not!

His comments about Maddie not being old enough to go off and start a new life was flippant and very unprofessional.  I wonder what her parents thought about that comment?

How would a recon have taken the investigation forward
I just don't see it

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was Mark Rowley wrong to claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted?
« Reply #239 on: June 02, 2017, 10:57:57 AM »
A very reasoned post G-Unit.  The original investigation was thwarted by the refusal of numerous individuals who were there that night to cooperate and take part in a reconstruction so my question is how can Rowley possibly state with a straight face that they took up where the Portuguese left off?  Have SY undertaken a full reconstruction?...I think not!

His comments about Maddie not being old enough to go off and start a new life was flippant and very unprofessional.  I wonder what her parents thought about that comment?
I took that to mean they had been talking to a person who has proposed that as the reason they helped Madeleine to start a life of her own.  Rowley pointed out to him/her she was too young to go off and start a new life on her own.
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