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Offline Innominate

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2017, 08:28:37 AM »
Just for the sake of completeness, I've extracted, in interview order, all the reports of the crying incident from K and GMcC statements:

G : 4/7/2007

Between the 28th April, the day they arrived and the time the disappearance was discovered, he says that nothing unusual happened, only referring to an episode on the morning of the 3rd May, when Madeleine asked the witness the reason why they had not gone to her room when the twins were crying. As he did not hear anything, the witness did not go to the bedroom, however he finds his daughter's comment to be strange, maybe because it was the first time that she had made it.

K : 4/7/2007

She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She thought her daughter's comment strange because it was the first time she had talked about it.

G 10/7/2007

The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left [withdrew herself] without any explanation.

K : 6/9/2007

Regarding the fact that Madeleine on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment.

G : 7/9/2007

No mention that I can find.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2017, 08:51:43 AM »
Sounds like it was fun while it lasted.

Nooo.  It was awful.  I nearly died.  I barely learned how to swim after that.  Water was a horror story for me from then on.
I always knew that I could swim, but I just couldn't get in the water.

I did solve the problem in the end by wearing a mask that covered my nose, so I only had to worry about my mouth, which was actually dead easy.  But I was so traumatised by the incident that it took me a very long time to recover.

But I was a rather recalcitrant child.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2017, 08:56:09 AM »
Nooo.  It was awful.  I nearly died.  I barely learned how to swim after that.  Water was a horror story for me from then on.
I always knew that I could swim, but I just couldn't get in the water.

I did solve the problem in the end by wearing a mask that covered my nose, so I only had to worry about my mouth, which was actually dead easy.  But I was so traumatised by the incident that it took me a very long time to recover.

But I was a rather recalcitrant child.
I meant the sliding down the soapy bath end; that must have been fun.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2017, 09:08:08 AM »
I meant the sliding down the soapy bath end; that must have been fun.

I thought so, until I hit my head on the bath end and half knocked myself out.  That is what actually caused the accident.

Offline kizzy

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2017, 09:23:26 PM »
No, she just heard me gurgling and choking as I very nearly drowned.  Mind you, I was never a great swimmer after that.

What was her reaction, about what happened.

Did your mum blame you, or herself.

Offline Benice

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2017, 09:39:29 AM »
I don't think it's possible to come to any definite conclusions re the crying incident - because there is so much that we don't know.     We would need to know what all the other members of the group's reactions were to this 'news'.    For instance Russell stayed in on Tues with his daughter who was poorly.  Did she cry a lot during that time and is it possible that Jane took the short cut and went in via the patio door - left unlocked for her because Russell was home?

I doubt if Rachel who stayed in Wednesday would have missed two children crying for any length of time in the apartment right next door to hers - and did Matt also use their patio door that night?.    Could it have been their little girl who Mrs Fenn heard crying on Tuesday night? 

Surely Mrs Fenn would have heard the McCanns patio door open twice on Wednesday night as Gerry went home before Kate.

I don't take Mrs Fenns assessment of the age of the child as necessarily accurate.  A new born or very young baby's cry is easy to identify but as they get older it would be much more difficult to put an age on the child - especially as different children cry in different ways - and at different levels.

The group don't seem to have been asked any questions about this incident by the PJ -  probably because they were back in the UK by the time Mrs Fenn was finally interviewed.  And the PJ apparently didn't think it was important enough to make it one of the rogatory questions.

The account given by Amaral in his book is very convincing.

AIMHO


All from memory - it's too hot to check.   Am happy to be corrected if necessary.
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Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2017, 04:32:36 PM »
Can  I remind posters that goading posts will be removed.

Please abide by forum rules.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2017, 06:18:50 PM »
G-Unit made perfectly clear the post was directed to Benice.

You intervened.

Let's get the basic facts right.

And please don't throw your opinion of my habits into the mix.   8((()*/

The forum allows any member to reply to another.  We are after all a discussion forum.  Please may we now get back on topic and endeavour to remain there.  Thank you.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2017, 06:57:14 PM »
The forum allows any member to reply to another.  We are after all a discussion forum.  Please may we now get back on topic and endeavour to remain there.  Thank you.
It is indeed a discussion forum, hence why I am perfectly entitled to respond to davel. 

If davel intervenes, am I not permitted to do the same?
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What's up, old man?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2017, 07:20:17 PM »
It is indeed a discussion forum, hence why I am perfectly entitled to respond to davel. 

If davel intervenes, am I not permitted to do the same?

Reply 74 is clearly goading, and should have been deleted earlier.  It still stands.  Enough said.

Indeed. My reply vanished so quickly it must have been scooped up in midair.... 8(>((
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2017, 07:33:59 PM »
We are all allowed to comment on any post
It doesnt matter what you meant
If you only want benice to reply best just send pm

Fascinating as your opinions are, I was asking for cites. 

Read and abide by the forum rules.
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Offline Benice

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2017, 08:16:07 PM »
Fascinating as your opinions are, I was asking for cites.

And I provided them as requested.   They were direct 'word for word' quotes from Amaral's book which proved the points I had made. 
 
 I have no idea why my post was removed and would appreciate an explanation from someone who does know.

TY.
 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline sadie

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #72 on: June 20, 2017, 09:13:29 PM »
And I provided them as requested.   They were direct 'word for word' quotes from Amaral's book which proved the points I had made. 
 
 I have no idea why my post was removed and would appreciate an explanation from someone who does know.

TY.
And my post vanished too.

But then, I forgot, we are not allowed to say anything that could be construed as against Amaral on this forum, are we?

Offline sadie

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2017, 09:43:13 PM »
And I provided them as requested.   They were direct 'word for word' quotes from Amaral's book which proved the points I had made. 
 
 I have no idea why my post was removed and would appreciate an explanation from someone who does know.

TY.

I am very sad that your excellent response vanished Benice.

It was factual and precise, quoting straight from Amarals latest offering and answered Gunits request "to the letter"


What ever happened to "Freedom of speech" and the normal forum facility of give all views?

Offline sadie

Re: Was it Tuesday or Wednesday night?
« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2017, 09:45:24 PM »
I am very sad that your excellent response vanished Benice.

It was factual and precise, quoting straight from Amarals latest offering and answered Gunits request "to the letter"


What ever happened to "Freedom of speech" and the normal forum facility of give all views?


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