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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2017, 12:20:22 AM »
That is suspicious?
That is how they use phone record analysis to get areas of suspicion.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2017, 08:13:41 AM »
Of course not but it could be very dependent on the level of involvement.  Like the McCanns said "we are not involved in the disappearance of our daughter ...." hence it didn't seem to worry them.

It worried them enough to get out of there earlier than planned. It worried Kate to not answer police questions.

7 Sept - named Arguido
9 Sept - left Portugal

"Later, the McCanns' spokesman confirmed the plans in a statement, saying: "Kate and Gerry will be returning home to the UK this morning as originally planned. They will depart from Faro Airport."

A later date was originally planned - Hey Spokesman isn't that the truth?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Benice

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2017, 08:36:15 AM »
It worried them enough to get out of there earlier than planned. It worried Kate to not answer police questions.

7 Sept - named Arguido
9 Sept - left Portugal

"Later, the McCanns' spokesman confirmed the plans in a statement, saying: "Kate and Gerry will be returning home to the UK this morning as originally planned. They will depart from Faro Airport."

A later date was originally planned - Hey Spokesman isn't that the truth?

The original leaving date was the 10th Sept. which was the day before the date on which they were required to vacate the villa anyway.       They left on the 9th - one day earlier than originally planned.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline John

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2017, 11:09:59 AM »
The original leaving date was the 10th Sept. which was the day before the date on which they were required to vacate the villa anyway.       They left on the 9th - one day earlier than originally planned.

A hasty departure in any language.
Uma partida apressada em qualquer idioma.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Benice

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2017, 11:50:25 AM »
A hasty departure in any language.
Uma partida apressada em qualquer idioma.

What  - one day earlier than originally planned??  Seriously? 

What was there to stay for?   From their POV - they knew they were not the perpetrator(s) but after being made arguidos they now knew that the PJ were not looking for a live Madeleine - they were looking for reasons to pin the crime on them.   

After getting an insight from the 48 questions -  into what the PJ were actually prepared to class as 'serious evidence'   - then any normal person would have to be insane to stay in those circumstances IMO.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline barrier

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2017, 12:43:08 PM »
Anything tghat happened on that night, in the pertinent area and at the right time, would be reagrded as suspicious, or worth looking at to a good investigator.

Indeed it is/was but to think that the four named arguidos (which is what the thread is about)who live in Luz were going to just hang around waiting for OG to catch up is in itself ridiculous imo,then to be asked did you kill Madeleine! what!.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline John

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2017, 02:26:20 PM »
What  - one day earlier than originally planned??  Seriously? 

What was there to stay for?   From their POV - they knew they were not the perpetrator(s) but after being made arguidos they now knew that the PJ were not looking for a live Madeleine - they were looking for reasons to pin the crime on them.   

After getting an insight from the 48 questions -  into what the PJ were actually prepared to class as 'serious evidence'   - then any normal person would have to be insane to stay in those circumstances IMO.

Actually no.  The job of a detective is to investigate a possible crime and that is what they were doing.  The McCann's early departure from Portugal was unhelpful to that aim.  The conduct of their friends also hindered a proper investigation, Madeleine would have been so proud.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2017, 08:36:32 PM »
Actually no.  The job of a detective is to investigate a possible crime and that is what they were doing.  The McCann's early departure from Portugal was unhelpful to that aim.  The conduct of their friends also hindered a proper investigation, Madeleine would have been so proud.
The friends had long gone.
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Offline jassi

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2017, 08:55:44 PM »
The friends had long gone.

Long gone, never to return
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline sadie

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2017, 11:54:40 PM »
Actually no.  The job of a detective is to investigate a possible crime and that is what they were doing.  The McCann's early departure from Portugal was unhelpful to that aim.  The conduct of their friends also hindered a proper investigation, Madeleine would have been so proud.

How proud Madeleine would be that her parents have searched unrelentlessly for her for 10 years, using the best methods they could find to help them

And she would be bursting with pride to know that her Mum and Dad had managed to get Scotland Yard involved along with an unbiased, (we hope), PJ unit up in Oporto


And BTW, John, the PJ were not looking for a living Madeleine, were they?   Cos Amaral, with no proof had decided that Madeleines parents were involved and that she was no longer alive



When Madeleine comes home, as hopefully she will, she will hate Amaral and all the wicked people who have put out disinformatiion and encouraged others not to search for her.

AIMO


Offline John

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2017, 12:05:21 AM »
Long gone, never to return

Absolutely and when requested to return to take part in a reconstruction so that people could be ruled out of the investigation they ultimately refused to cooperate.  Madeleine would be so grateful to them all.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Online misty

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2017, 12:24:44 AM »
Absolutely and when requested to return to take part in a reconstruction so that people could be ruled out of the investigation they ultimately refused to cooperate.  Madeleine would be so grateful to them all.

I'm sure that would not have been a decision which was taken lightly by the rest of the group. However, having knowledge of the way the PJ had both handled the investigation & treated their (innocent) friends in making them arguidos then IMO they put the interests of their own families first. Who knows what the PJ had planned for any of them if they returned.
AIMHO.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2017, 12:35:45 AM »
Absolutely and when requested to return to take part in a reconstruction so that people could be ruled out of the investigation they ultimately refused to cooperate.  Madeleine would be so grateful to them all.

Don't you think it would have advanced the investigation in a more meaningful direction if the Policia Judiciaria had under their new coordinator also taken a new course of action in preference to harking back to the mistakes of the previous investigation.

What information could they possibly have gained from bringing the McCann friends back to what by that time was an extremely suspicious and hostile environment in which apparently innocence is no guarantee of impunity?

Why not diversify from those who were already thoroughly investigated, phone records and all? 
Why not reconstruct those who had always been within their jurisdiction, who briefly attracted the interest of the first investigation but who were let off the hook by the preferred direction decided by the investigators.

A proper look at the phone records should have tipped them the wink that there were many other avenues still open for scrutiny and it shouldn't really have been too difficult for a modern police force to have found them.
After all Scotland Yard found plenty of investigative opportunities years after the event, including one which a member of this forum discovered from the limited information available to him in the internet files.
Was this part and parcel of the preference for a foreign perpetrator as it all seems to be unravelling as far as racist attitudes of the Portuguese police are presently being addressed.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5764.msg416519#msg416519
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2017, 12:58:52 AM »
Absolutely and when requested to return to take part in a reconstruction so that people could be ruled out of the investigation they ultimately refused to cooperate.  Madeleine would be so grateful to them all.
When I disagree with you, John, am I not allowed to respond?

I see that once again my response to you has been deleted.  Why?

Offline John

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2017, 01:47:00 AM »
When I disagree with you, John, am I not allowed to respond?

I see that once again my response to you has been deleted.  Why?

You are free to comment as long as it is within the rules. 
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.