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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #75 on: July 14, 2017, 01:59:19 PM »
That couldn't possibly be connected in any way to the high media profile he assumed as a result ... his claims in his book ... his claims in his video ... and his claims throughout the media career he built on Madeleine's disappearance?

Not to mention his campaign of vilification directed at her parents whose fault, as far as I can determine, seemed to be continuing their search for Madeleine and their insistence that her case be reopened ... in which they were ultimately successful.

I think the UK media may have thrust him into the limelight initially.
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Offline misty

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2017, 02:35:36 PM »
we met Guilhermino Encarnação, the director of the Algarve Polícia Judiciária, based in Faro, who was overseeing the investigation.............

The officers we met on that occasion, and would continue to meet regularly, were the two men ultimately in charge of the investigation. Guilhermino Encarnação, chief of the Algarve PJ, based in Faro, we had encountered at the police station in Portimão on the day after Madeleine’s abduction. The other was Luís Neves, head of the DCCB....

Late that afternoon, we were notified by Liz Dow, the British consul in Lisbon, that Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação had declared us ‘free’ to leave the country whenever we wished.
[Madeleine]


I asked for a cite from the files, not Kate's perspective.
 All the accumulated evidence was submitted to Amaral on DVD - how much of the data gathered on the "shop floor" was viewed by the "CEO's" for them to issue directives?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #77 on: July 14, 2017, 03:05:42 PM »

I asked for a cite from the files, not Kate's perspective.
 All the accumulated evidence was submitted to Amaral on DVD - how much of the data gathered on the "shop floor" was viewed by the "CEO's" for them to issue directives?

Are you suggesting that the McCanns didn't even know who was in charge?
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #78 on: July 14, 2017, 07:58:26 PM »
I dont believe they should have been named and the names released to the public.

I would have thought that an organisation as l;arge as the PJ could have devised a system where they took the suspects somewhere else and questioned them in private, away from the public eye


I have never publicly divulged the name of my suspect, despite a multitude of pointers, because i am aware how devastating such publicity, especially in this potential [paedophillic and with global interest] case could be to the man i suspect.



Even in a mundane case, I would never, I hope, publicly point the finger at the culprit.


Apart from the awfulness of accusing someone, I am grounded enough to know that I could be wrong, despite all the scores of pointers.


PS This suspect of mine has never, as far as i am aware, been suggested on any other forum

your suspect hasn't been arrested and charged if not why not?... could it be because it is a wild goose chase?
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Offline sadie

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #79 on: July 14, 2017, 10:05:52 PM »
your suspect hasn't been arrested and charged if not why not?... could it be because it is a wild goose chase?
My suspect in an elite with internationally important friends behind him and backed by an amazingly revered global Organisation that looks after their senior friends / bloodline members to the hilt.   This organisation has made mega bucks from trafficking for centuries, but it presents a wonderful charitable face to the public at large

Unless SY and the Porto PJ can find enough evidence to irretrievably convict my suspect, then IMO they will not attempt to do so.



And, of course, as i have said a number of times on this forum and elsewhere, despite the scores of pointers and being able to make a pretty near perfect jigsaw of the whole case (after leaving PdL especially) I am always aware that I could have made mistakes.  Because of this I cannot be absolutely sure that I am totally correct.

If I am correct about the man, even if he is too untouchable to be charged, then the fact that SY is investigating him, should stop the nasty 'game' with children that he has been playing.

My main purpose in all the work I have done ... and believe me, it has been massive .... is to prevent such abductions carrying on and hopefully to return Madeleine to her family.  I am concerned about the terrible injustices and damage that has been done to the whole Mccann family,

... However, it is not my main goal that the man in question be incarcerated in  jail for life. 

In fact, a psychiatric home might be a better place for him. Likeable tho' he appears, he displays bizarre behaviour.



The short answer to your question is 'Maybe the man is an untouchable'

We shall have to wait and see.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #80 on: July 14, 2017, 10:10:22 PM »
My suspect in an elite with internationally important friends behind him and backed by an amazingly revered global Organisation that looks after their senior friends / bloodline members to the hilt.   This organisation has made mega bucks from trafficking for centuries, but it presents a wonderful charitable face to the public at large

Unless SY and the Porto PJ can find enough evidence to irretrievably convict my suspect, then IMO they will not attempt to do so.



And, of course, as i have said a number of times on this forum and elsewhere, despite the scores of pointers and being able to make a pretty near perfect jigsaw of the whole case (after leaving PdL especially) I am always aware that I could have made mistakes.  Because of this I cannot be absolutely sure that I am totally correct.

If I am correct about the man, even if he is too untouchable to be charged, then the fact that SY is investigating him, should stop the nasty 'game' with children that he has been playing.

My main purpose in all the work I have done ... and believe me, it has been massive .... is to prevent such abductions carrying on and hopefully to return Madeleine to her family.  I am concerned about the terrible injustices and damage that has been done to the whole Mccann family,

... However, it is not my main goal that the man in question be incarcerated in  jail for life. 

In fact, a psychiatric home might be a better place for him. Likeable tho' he appears, he displays bizarre behaviour.



The short answer to your question is 'Maybe the man is an untouchable'

We shall have to wait and see.


SY have spent millions on reading and checking out all Avenues. I wonder how much time and money was wasted on this adventure. Sorry Sadie but just too far fetched.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #81 on: July 14, 2017, 10:15:08 PM »
My suspect in an elite with internationally important friends behind him and backed by an amazingly revered global Organisation that looks after their senior friends / bloodline members to the hilt.   This organisation has made mega bucks from trafficking for centuries, but it presents a wonderful charitable face to the public at large

Unless SY and the Porto PJ can find enough evidence to irretrievably convict my suspect, then IMO they will not attempt to do so.



And, of course, as i have said a number of times on this forum and elsewhere, despite the scores of pointers and being able to make a pretty near perfect jigsaw of the whole case (after leaving PdL especially) I am always aware that I could have made mistakes.  Because of this I cannot be absolutely sure that I am totally correct.

If I am correct about the man, even if he is too untouchable to be charged, then the fact that SY is investigating him, should stop the nasty 'game' with children that he has been playing.

My main purpose in all the work I have done ... and believe me, it has been massive .... is to prevent such abductions carrying on and hopefully to return Madeleine to her family.  I am concerned about the terrible injustices and damage that has been done to the whole Mccann family,

... However, it is not my main goal that the man in question be incarcerated in  jail for life. 

In fact, a psychiatric home might be a better place for him. Likeable tho' he appears, he displays bizarre behaviour.



The short answer to your question is 'Maybe the man is an untouchable'

We shall have to wait and see.

How very cloak, dagger and completely unverifiable. Heads you win and tails you win because your mysterious hints can't be checked. Perhaps it's time you put up or shut up as your theory can't be supported by evidence and hence can't be verified or dismissed. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #82 on: July 14, 2017, 11:05:38 PM »
Amaral now freely admits that mistakes were made early on.  Too much emphasis was placed on the abduction scenario despite a total lack of any credible evidence that one had taken place.  The parents and to a lesser degree some of their friends were allowed to call the shots to the detriment of the investigation.  The Press were allowed to prance around and turn the situation into a circus with performing clowns topping the bill.

The tapas group and other foreign witnesses should never have been allowed to leave the country until a proper reconstruction had been carried out. Suspects should have been identified and designated arguidos much earlier. Political interference by the British authorities however conspired to destroy the investigative process by denying the investigators the support they needed to check out suspects properly.  Background checks and other information requested by the Portuguese police were denied to them by their English counterparts.

Frankly, it isn't at all surprising that Amaral came to some of the conclusions he did.  He was acutely aware that there was in existence a conspiracy to discredit him and have him removed from the investigation the moment his detectives moved to rule out stranger abduction and started to consider parental involvement.

amaral hadnt got a clue...all his conclusions were base on his inability to understand the evidence...that is not opinion it is fact....the present investigation by SY and PJ have ruled out the parents based  on the evidence and its not hard to understand why....Amarals idea that children fall off a sofa and die is patently ridiculous...some of us understand that

Offline sadie

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #83 on: July 14, 2017, 11:43:58 PM »

SY have spent millions on reading and checking out all Avenues. I wonder how much time and money was wasted on this adventure. Sorry Sadie but just too far fetched.

It is too far fetched? 

Yet I have never shared it, so you dont know anything about it !   

Offline John

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #84 on: July 14, 2017, 11:53:43 PM »
amaral hadnt got a clue...all his conclusions were base on his inability to understand the evidence...that is not opinion it is fact....the present investigation by SY and PJ have ruled out the parents based  on the evidence and its not hard to understand why....Amarals idea that children fall off a sofa and die is patently ridiculous...some of us understand that

I'm afraid that Amaral has been privy to a lot more evidence than any of us could possibly gleam from a load of documents, his interpretation of that evidence is a matter for him.
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Offline sadie

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #85 on: July 15, 2017, 12:28:50 AM »
I'm afraid that Amaral has been privy to a lot more evidence than any of us could possibly gleam from a load of documents, his interpretation of that evidence is a matter for him.
What a pity that he misunderstood so many things and used stuff that wasn't really evidence at all.

And that he had such a vivid imagination


stephen25000

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Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #86 on: July 15, 2017, 07:20:07 AM »
What a pity that he misunderstood so many things and used stuff that wasn't really evidence at all.

And that he had such a vivid imagination

You need to add, that is your opinion.

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Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #87 on: July 15, 2017, 07:21:10 AM »
My suspect in an elite with internationally important friends behind him and backed by an amazingly revered global Organisation that looks after their senior friends / bloodline members to the hilt.   This organisation has made mega bucks from trafficking for centuries, but it presents a wonderful charitable face to the public at large

Unless SY and the Porto PJ can find enough evidence to irretrievably convict my suspect, then IMO they will not attempt to do so.



And, of course, as i have said a number of times on this forum and elsewhere, despite the scores of pointers and being able to make a pretty near perfect jigsaw of the whole case (after leaving PdL especially) I am always aware that I could have made mistakes.  Because of this I cannot be absolutely sure that I am totally correct.

If I am correct about the man, even if he is too untouchable to be charged, then the fact that SY is investigating him, should stop the nasty 'game' with children that he has been playing.

My main purpose in all the work I have done ... and believe me, it has been massive .... is to prevent such abductions carrying on and hopefully to return Madeleine to her family.  I am concerned about the terrible injustices and damage that has been done to the whole Mccann family,

... However, it is not my main goal that the man in question be incarcerated in  jail for life. 

In fact, a psychiatric home might be a better place for him. Likeable tho' he appears, he displays bizarre behaviour.



The short answer to your question is 'Maybe the man is an untouchable'

We shall have to wait and see.

Unless you can back any of this up, it is speculation and nothing more than that.

stephen25000

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Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #88 on: July 15, 2017, 07:31:32 AM »
amaral hadnt got a clue...all his conclusions were base on his inability to understand the evidence...that is not opinion it is fact....the present investigation by SY and PJ have ruled out the parents based  on the evidence and its not hard to understand why....Amarals idea that children fall off a sofa and die is patently ridiculous...some of us understand that

The current investigation have not interviewed or investigated the parents.

They relied on the original shelving of the case, which they misinterpreted.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was the naming of the arguidos an unnecessary and dumb move?
« Reply #89 on: July 15, 2017, 07:32:52 AM »
The current investigation have not interviewed or investigated the parents.

They relied on the original shelving of the case, which they misinterpreted.

In your opinion, hopefully.