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Offline Mr Gray

Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« on: July 15, 2017, 03:57:28 PM »
surely lack of evidence is evidence of innocence

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 05:38:18 PM »
surely lack of evidence is evidence of innocence

I would imagine that erelong an itinerant will pass by muttering " 'tis but a false dichotomy" or words to that effect.
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Offline John

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 05:40:51 PM »
surely lack of evidence is evidence of innocence

Absolutely not, lack of evidence is neutral under the Law.  In the same way that a refusal by a suspect to cooperate with investigators is often wrongly perceived as guilt but cannot be viewed as evidence of guilt.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2017, 05:47:32 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2017, 06:05:24 PM »
Absolutely not, lack of evidence is neutral under the Law.  In the same way that a refusal by a suspect to cooperate with investigators is often wrongly perceived as guilt but cannot be viewed as evidence of guilt.

Lack of evidence is not neutral John
Suspect s at trial are acquitted due to lack of evidence
That is certainly not neutral

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2017, 06:09:57 PM »
Lack of evidence is not neutral John
Suspect s at trial are acquitted due to lack of evidence
That is certainly not neutral

Being acquitted isn't being declared innocent.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2017, 06:35:44 PM »
Being acquitted isn't being declared innocent.

Neither is being found not guilty
But both acquittal and not guilty verdicts are evidence of innocence

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2017, 06:58:13 PM »

Oh for God's sake.  Is anyone ever innocent?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2017, 07:03:33 PM »
Everybody is innocent until proven guilty, which ain't going to happen in the absence of evidence, or even insufficient evidence.

To suggest otherwise is Libellous.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2017, 07:03:43 PM »
Absence of evidence results in a verdict of not guilty
That is evidence of innocence

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2017, 07:03:57 PM »
Neither is being found not guilty
But both acquittal and not guilty verdicts are evidence of innocence



Barry George was acquitted of the murder of Jill Dando at his second trial. He was denied compensation for wrongful incarceration, however. The High Court judges didn't see the acquittal as evidence of innocence;

 "There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_George#Life_after_Dando_acquittal

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Offline Angelo222

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2017, 07:05:54 PM »
Just calling something rubbish doesn't make it rubbish
You need to present a logical argument as I have done


I have yet to see you provide any argument of substance.  Acquittal does not prove innocence, just ask Sion Jenkins or Barry George.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2017, 07:06:04 PM »


Barry George was acquitted of the murder of Jill Dando at his second trial. He was denied compensation for wrongful incarceration, however. The High Court judges didn't see the acquittal as evidence of innocence;

 "There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_George#Life_after_Dando_acquittal

Wrong wrong wrong
The acquittal is evidence of innocence but not proof

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2017, 07:08:13 PM »

I have yet to see you provide any argument of substance.  Acquittal does not prove innocence, just ask Soon Jenkins or Barry George.

I have provided an argument of substance it's just that you have misunderstood it as this post proves
Absence of evidence is evidence of innocence but not proof
As I have already posted
You are confusing evidence and proof

Offline Angelo222

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2017, 07:08:45 PM »
Absence of evidence results in a verdict of not guilty
That is evidence of innocence

The law school of hard knocks doesn't count.  Being found not guilty has nothing to do with innocence.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2017, 07:09:02 PM »
I would imagine that erelong an itinerant will pass by muttering " 'tis but a false dichotomy" or words to that effect.

No because I have not used the word proof