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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2017, 08:08:24 PM »
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 15, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
I don't presume a criminal act Rob.  I presume an act of neglect followed by an accident followed by an act of desperation.

All your opinion with no evidence to support it
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2017, 08:08:29 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on July 15, 2017, 08:04:48 PM
You and me both, our kid.  But you are fractionally better at it than I am.

My vocabulary isn't as floral as yours  ?{)(**
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2017, 08:09:31 PM »
Quote from: davel on July 15, 2017, 08:08:24 PM
All your opinion with no evidence to support it

I have already stated the evidence.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2017, 08:11:37 PM »
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 15, 2017, 08:08:29 PM
My vocabulary isn't as floral as yours  ?{)(**

Thanks for the compliment.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2017, 08:14:33 PM »
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 15, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
I don't presume a criminal act Rob.  I presume an act of neglect followed by an accident followed by an act of desperation.
OK and all that is perfectly legal?  So we are not correct in using the word "guilty" then but we should be using a softer word.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2017, 08:19:50 PM »
Quote from: Angelo222 on July 15, 2017, 08:09:31 PM
I have already stated the evidence.
It doesn't stand up
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2017, 08:30:42 PM »
Quote from: davel on July 15, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
It doesn't stand up

in your opinion.
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Offline misty

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2017, 09:07:52 PM »
An absence of evidence means no grounds for prosecution therefore everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.

It has occurred to me that, if Madeleine is never found & Smithman is never identified, any suspect will always have a reasonable defence.
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Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2017, 09:45:06 PM »
Quote from: davel on July 15, 2017, 09:40:13 PM
SY seem convinced and they have said the parents are not suspects

Which members of SY are convinced ? 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2017, 09:49:13 PM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on July 15, 2017, 09:45:06 PM
Which members of SY are convinced ?

It's the official statement and no member has raised an objection
« Last Edit: July 15, 2017, 09:51:55 PM by davel »
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Offline sadie

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2017, 12:43:38 AM »
Quote from: Benice on July 15, 2017, 08:03:55 PM
'Insufficient evidence' should not be interpreted as meaning that evidence exists, but it just hasn't been found yet.     A valid reason why  'insufficient evidence' is found  can simply be that no evidence exists and never did exist to be found in the first place.
AIMHO

A valid reason why  'insufficient evidence' is found  can simply be that no evidence exists and never did exist to be found in the first place.

Well put Benice.

An innocent party will leave NO EVIDENCE, so there will be no evidence to be found.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2017, 08:47:51 AM »
Guilty people can be acquitted/found not guilty of crimes. In some cases it's because the prosecutors have been unable to present enough evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. The absence of evidence simply means the guilty were unable to be convicted.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2017, 08:50:37 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Guilty people can be acquitted/found not guilty of crimes. In some cases it's because the prosecutors have been unable to present enough evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. The absence of evidence simply means the guilty were unable to be convicted.

How do you explain innocent people being found guilty?
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Offline jassi

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2017, 08:56:27 AM »
dishonesty and/or incompetence.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2017, 09:09:11 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on July 16, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Guilty people can be acquitted/found not guilty of crimes. In some cases it's because the prosecutors have been unable to present enough evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. The absence of evidence simply means the guilty were unable to be convicted.

That is one case
But the absence of evidence has to be evidence of innocence
Not proof but evidence
It is simple logic
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