Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[Eleanor]

Reminds me of Jeremy Bamber at his parents funeral.

I never cry at funerals, no matter how close I was to the deceased.

[stephen25000]

Come on, Stephen, you must know that there are several.

Examples please.

[Brietta]

Examples please.

Every missing child case that has ever been solved.

A happy instance is Shannon Matthews.

An unhappy one being Holly and Jessica.

[Benice]

Can you think of any reason why they made crying noises but produced no actual tears?

If he found that to be so strange why did it take him until October to mention it?      No mention of it at all during his previous May interviews - even though he was asked if there was anything else that he wanted to say that could help the investigation:-

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 Urged to reveal other details that may be considered relevant to the investigation, the deponent reveals that he has no other knowledge of any elements that may help contribute to that end;
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Then in October - 5 months later he suddenly remembers a very important element.      In fact he had found it to be so suspicious on May 3rd that it had apparently influenced him to disbelieve 'abduction'.     But then in the space of a couple of days it would seem that he had completely forgotten all about it as he made no mention of this behaviour in his May statements - even when prompted.    Totally bizarre IMO
AIMHO




 

[stephen25000]

Every missing child case that has ever been solved.

A happy instance is Shannon Matthews.

An unhappy one being Holly and Jessica.

Exactly how do they compare to this case and the circumstances of this case ?

I still stand by my prediction from several years ago. This case will not be solved.

[G-Unit]

Everyone is an individual and how they perform in front of a camera is individual to them ... nor no matter how upset innocent victims are there are those who see fit to disbelieve them and who take to the internet to abuse them.

Alice Gross's parents being an example of that.

Then there are people like the Philpots ...'nuff said.
https://www.channel4.com/news/crocodile-tears-and-catching-killers-philpott-hazell-ahmeds

Why should the parents of a missing child feel they have to explain anything at all to people who disbelieve as a matter of principal every word they say?
I have of course watched the initial McCann appeal and in my opinion they need explain nothing to nobody who has eyes to see and ears to hear.  Your opinion may well be different, but that is for you.

People noticed the lack of emotion displayed by the McCanns. Kate chose to explain it, but her explanation wasn't upheld by one of those involved who gave a completely different explanation.

Here's someone else who seems lacking in emotion after a traumatic event..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdcXPyHVM48

[sadie]

Can you think of any reason why they made crying noises but produced no actual tears?

After my son died at the age nine, I never shed a tear for 10 years.  During that period half my family died, including my Mum and Dad, who I loved dearly, but for some strange reason I never shed a tear.

Neither did I cry at my little boys funeral ... so strange, but I was tearing myself apart internally.    I think I was in a sort of "automan" mode.   I think I was so deadened by what had happened that something took over and controlled me thru life.   It sort of protected me, but I must have looked very hard if any unsypathetic others were watching.


No one commented, except to say that I was very strong ... and it was true I spent more effort in looking after my daughter, my hubby and my aged parents than i did of me. 

Maybe something strange like this happened to Kate and Gerry.  They went into search for mode ... and get back Madeleine mode almost immediately ... altho Kate especially showed massive distress in her slumping body and face many times.


I dont think it is fair to judge people who have had such a shock and massive distress in their lives by your own limited experiences.   

[G-Unit]

After my son died at the age nine, I never shed a tear for 10 years.  During that period half my family died, including my Mum and Dad, who I loved dearly, but for some strange reason I never shed a tear.

Neither did I cry at my little boys funeral ... so strange, but I was tearing myself apart internally.    I think I was in a sort of "automan" mode.   I think I was so deadened by what had happened that something took over and controlled me thru life.   It sort of protected me, but I must have looked very hard if any unsypathetic others were watching.


No one commented, except to say that I was very strong ... and it was true I spent more effort in looking after my daughter, my hubby and my aged parents than i did of me. 

Maybe something strange like this happened to Kate and Gerry.  They went into search for mode ... and get back Madeleine mode almost immediately ... altho Kate especially showed massive distress in her slumping body and face many times.


I dont think it is fair to judge people who have had such a shock and massive distress in their lives by your own limited experiences.   Cos to be quite frank, you dont have any idea what such massive distress can do to you.

It wasn't her natural reaction according to Kate McCann, she was acting on police advice.

[G-Unit]

"I dont think it is fair to judge people who have had such a shock and massive distress in their lives by your own limited experiences.   Cos to be quite frank, you dont have any idea what such massive distress can do to you."

Kate McCann chose to put herself in the media, no-one forced her to do that. When she realised that her demeanour was seen by some as puzzling she chose to offer an explanation. I'm not discussing how she felt, I'm discussing how she behaved and the reason she offered for it.

[Eleanor]

"I dont think it is fair to judge people who have had such a shock and massive distress in their lives by your own limited experiences.   Cos to be quite frank, you dont have any idea what such massive distress can do to you."

Kate McCann chose to put herself in the media, no-one forced her to do that. When she realised that her demeanour was seen by some as puzzling she chose to offer an explanation. I'm not discussing how she felt, I'm discussing how she behaved and the reason she offered for it.

Oh, i see,  Kate McCann brought it all on herself.  I can see how you would see that.

[sadie]

"I dont think it is fair to judge people who have had such a shock and massive distress in their lives by your own limited experiences.   Cos to be quite frank, you dont have any idea what such massive distress can do to you."

Kate McCann chose to put herself in the media, no-one forced her to do that. When she realised that her demeanour was seen by some as puzzling she chose to offer an explanation. I'm not discussing how she felt, I'm discussing how she behaved and the reason she offered for it.

Oh dear,

A mother who has lost her dearly loved daughter being criticized for doing her best to find her daughter by keeping  Madeleines name in the foreground.  That needed publicity, and Kate who is on record as hating publicity forced herself (initially) to go on TV programs etc. to help keep that publicity going.   

What ever Kate and Gerry do is denegraded by some.  They cant do right for doing wrong!  Tragic.


What you cant seem to accept is that after all the denigration she may have felt a need to put the record straight, and let people know that the Police had advised that she show no emotion.    But that doesn't mean that there weren't other forces and emotions within her that enabled her much of the time to keep her emotions from showing ... as was the case with me and my son.   

Even if she didn't cry in public, the signs of her suffering are shown all over her face.  At one time, poor Kate looked older than her Mum.

Human psychology is an extremely complex matter and we are all different.  We shouldn't be judging people on our limited experiences  IMHO

[John]

Reminder guys that personal comments are not permitted...and that goes for moderators too!

[G-Unit]

Oh dear,

A mother who has lost her dearly loved daughter being criticized for doing her best to find her daughter by keeping  Madeleines name in the foreground.  That needed publicity, and Kate who is on record as hating publicity forced herself (initially) to go on TV programs etc. to help keep that publicity going.   

What ever Kate and Gerry do is denegraded by some.  They cant do right for doing wrong!  Tragic.


What you cant seem to accept is that after all the denigration she may have felt a need to put the record straight, and let people know that the Police had advised that she show no emotion.    But that doesn't mean that there weren't other forces and emotions within her that enabled her much of the time to keep her emotions from showing ... as was the case with me and my son.   

Even if she didn't cry in public, the signs of her suffering are shown all over her face.  At one time, poor Kate looked older than her Mum.

Human psychology is an extremely complex matter and we are all different.  We shouldn't be judging people on our limited experiences  IMHO

You keep missing my point, which is that she said the behavioural experts from CEOP told her not to show emotion in public. Perhaps they did, but in his interview one of those experts gave a completely different reason for the couple's public demeanour.

[Benice]

You keep missing my point, which is that she said the behavioural experts from CEOP told her not to show emotion in public. Perhaps they did, but in his interview one of those experts gave a completely different reason for the couple's public demeanour.

Why does there only have to be one reason?   There could be several for all we know.  Does it really matter.   I don't understand what it is you are trying to prove.

This is Sara Paynes view on Kate's first reaction from her latest book - 'Letters to Sarah'.

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 I was so horrified by how the McCanns have been getting treated and I wouldn't add to that for the world.   I think the way people have taken a dislike to them all boils down to the first view.    People judged Kate on how she first reacted and that's wrong; she was a rabbit stuck in the headlights and she was the one that bore the brunt - the mother, the woman.   My heart went out to her and when people went after them, I was so upset. I felt sick that they were judged as if they deserved it.
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That is the opinion of someone who has spent time in exactly the same nightmare situation and IMO knows far more about this subject than people who haven't.   She has no criticism at all about Kate's reaction.

[G-Unit]

Why does there only have to be one reason?   There could be several for all we know.  Does it really matter.   I don't understand what it is you are trying to prove.

This is Sara Paynes view on Kate's first reaction from her latest book - 'Letters to Sarah'.

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 I was so horrified by how the McCanns have been getting treated and I wouldn't add to that for the world.   I think the way people have taken a dislike to them all boils down to the first view.    People judged Kate on how she first reacted and that's wrong; she was a rabbit stuck in the headlights and she was the one that bore the brunt - the mother, the woman.   My heart went out to her and when people went after them, I was so upset. I felt sick that they were judged as if they deserved it.
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That is the opinion of someone who has spent time in exactly the same nightmare situation and IMO knows far more about this subject than people who haven't.   She has no criticism at all about Kate's reaction.

It all began with post 36;

It was known that the police warned Kate and Gerry not to show emotion cos this would give the perp a "kick".

This gives the impression that it's common knowledge that the police did give this advice. It turns out, however, that there is no evidence which supports Kate's claim. I have found nothing to suggest that the police do or did give such advice. I have found nothing to suggest that the CEOP people gave such advice. It seems that a statement by a suspect in a case has been accepted as truthful despite there being nothing to support it except the word of the suspect.