Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?

[Nicholas]

Stephanie I explained to you recently why I will not be responding to your posts.  .   

You appear to be sending me mixed messages Holly

I guess one could ponder why?

Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?

Maybe it's time to call time on mass debating over Simon Hall and accept much will remain unknown possibly even to the perp himself!

Can you remind me if you are referring to before or after you made this post

[Holly Goodhead]

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[Nicholas]

Both Hall and Bamber questioned each and every 'expert' in their cases

https://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mercurius.org.uk%2Fsimonhall001.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mercurius.org.uk%2Fc.v.html&docid=-OPOlwUrbbVf6M&tbnid=F0i7tpL1H2AgaM%3A&vet=1&w=2171&h=1529&hl=en-gb&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim



Both men started petitions and gained the support of MP's etc

https://prisonofficer.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1041

http://www.solarnavigator.net/animal_kingdom/humans/simon_hall.htm


Both men's supposed close friends supported their claims of innocence - Brett Collins for Bamber and Jamie Barker for Hall

[Nicholas]

I used to have many very long telephone conversations with Stephanie about Simon's case at the time of his last appeal.  I am still convinced that Stephanie genuinely loved the guy and believed everything that he told her about the morning Mrs Albert was murdered.  In the beginning I also believed Simon's account of what occurred that morning .

Do you remember this John http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/capel-st-mary-dna-twist-in-simon-hall-s-bid-to-overturn-murder-conviction-1-815267

[Nicholas]

Both Hall and Bamber used mind altering substances

"constantly bored and seeking chemical stimulation, many are constantly in hot pursuit of mind-altering substances in order to provide them physical relieve from the constant state of hostile boredom that truly seems to dominate the emotional psychology of all of them http://flyingmonkeysdenied.com/definition/psychopath/

[Nicholas]

No I don't think it's harsh at all.  In the eyes of the law Hall's previous had nothing to do with the murder case hence I'm pretty certain it was withheld from jurors?  Supporting an MoJ is one thing.  Allowing yourself to become emotionally involved is another.

"Oh and Anji Greaves his girlfriend after Julie Mugford stood by him during his trial.  After his conviction she still believed in his innocence but felt that by standing by him further would have been a life sentence for them both.

Suzette Ford his former live-in lover also stood by him and attended some or all of the trial.  She also still believed in his innocence after the conviction.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3668.0

[Angelo222]

"Oh and Anji Greaves his girlfriend after Julie Mugford stood by him during his trial.  After his conviction she still believed in his innocence but felt that by standing by him further would have been a life sentence for them both.

Suzette Ford his former live-in lover also stood by him and attended some or all of the trial.  She also still believed in his innocence after the conviction.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3668.0

Like so many others they couldn't believe that the young man they had got to know was capable of such depraved horror.

[Nicholas]

"Oh and Anji Greaves his girlfriend after Julie Mugford stood by him during his trial.  After his conviction she still believed in his innocence but felt that by standing by him further would have been a life sentence for them both.

Suzette Ford his former live-in lover also stood by him and attended some or all of the trial.  She also still believed in his innocence after the conviction.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3668.0

After they had murdered, both Hall and Bamber started relationships with new girlfriends. Both men also cheated on their new girlfriends, before they were eventually arrested and charged for their crimes.

[Nicholas]

Like so many others they couldn't believe that the young man they had got to know was capable of such depraved horror.

So what was different about these men and how and why were they capable of such depraved horror?

[Nicholas]

Another similarity in the Hall case is that he also wanted his website shutdown

As NGB has today confirmed - it's all about Bambers need for control

To control what is written about him

To ensure that only what is manufactured by him is allowed to be seen by the public

And have you recognised the blue forum control what is allowed to be posted on the forum and that it is manufactured to support innocence as opposed to being seen to be fair

Ask Jackie Holly she'll tell you. She described it once as "sanitised" in other words posts were removed to reflect their bias

NGB reasoned today, after someone suggested the behind the scenes behaviour sounded "catty" http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8692.msg421132.html#msg421132

"It can be.  There was one member here who never posted but came onto the forum in order to print off posts and send them to JB.  He was selecting posts and threads which he knew would wind JB up and he was not presenting a fair overall view of forum debate.  Eventually he was challenged and then banned.

This behaviour is often referred to as blame shifting. It is done in order to suggest Bamber is the victim of abuse as opposed to Bamber being the abuser

I've been ploughing through mountains of mail sent to Simon Hall over the years and have come across various items of interest for the book

One of the homemade cards reminded me of The Real Mrs H Spoof Blog. The blog was created around the time Hall's guilt was beginning to be uncovered, by those close to him at the time of the murder

Just as Bambers guilt has been exposed by his various supporters and indeed his own actions, over the decades

I imagine prisoners like Hall & Bamber swapped many calculating and deceitful ideas with one another about how they should portray themselves as "victims" on the WWW. Maybe that's also why they kept in contact with one another?


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[Nicholas]

After they had murdered, both Hall and Bamber started relationships with new girlfriends. Both men also cheated on their new girlfriends, before they were eventually arrested and charged for their crimes.

After Hall claimed he was allegedly abused as a child (2013) he also claimed, around the same time (just before he confessed), he had slept with many men and women after he had murdered, as appears to be the case for Jeremy Bamber.

Interestingly when Halls seized items (from 2002) were returned to me by the police following his death, it appeared Hall kept a photograph of himself as a young child in the glove compartment of his car?

Some forum members may recall, just before his death, the police visited him at HMP Wayland and photos of his siblings children were confiscated?


I have since come across a photograph* of a young boy who looks very much like Hall did as a child. It could of course be nothing more than a coincidence or a relative?

However maybe over time we will come to learn Simon Hall's legacy lives on?



* The said photograph was part of the handmade card attached in the above post #116 https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/motivations-for-secrecy-in-families/


"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!"

[Nicholas]

I guess one could ponder why?

Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?

Maybe it's time to call time on mass debating over Simon Hall and accept much will remain unknown possibly even to the perp himself!

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In 2014 Hall wrote several letters referring to His childhood:


“Its’s going to take a long time to get to where I want to be but I’m determined to get there and I know that I will. I am researching and thinking about my past and I’ve got an understanding psychology book and a book called “they f**k you up” – How to survive family life by Oliver James. I’m reading them both at the same time and cross referencing different bits. It’s slow going and there’s a lot to take in but I’m understanding things a bit clearer.

Book – They F**k You Up https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/sep/15/booksonhealth.features

“I panic because of shame and because the truth is destroying me. Living in denial gave me no reason to panic and if you remember, I only started to panic like that when I was being found out lying. I panic through fear of judgement and rejection.

“Am I like my biological father? He put himself before the children that he had.
(Bottom of link) https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/


I'd like to hear Jeremy Bambers thoughts on his adoption and his time spent at Greshams

[Nicholas]

Like so many others they couldn't believe that the young man they had got to know was capable of such depraved horror.

Jeremy Bamber has kept his supporters distracted on his smear campaigns, in the process keeping the attention away from himself

Whilst his supporters are busy pouring over a selection of case papers Bamber has allowed to be placed into the public domain (he has withheld documents that show his TRUE character) this further creates a distraction

As the police and many legal people know, and come to learn if they are new to this arena - large scale murder investigation paperwork is often riddled with human error

Some people, like Bamber and Hall and others I will not mention for now, knowingly exploit and manipulate these discrepancies in their favour

[Nicholas]

Do you remember the time of the CCRC referral John? When many of us thought the Bristol innocence project may have uncovered a WS that could have linked the murder weapon to a burglary in another village, carried out on the same night of the murder? https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/jan/09/innocence-project-conviction-hilary-swank

That most certainly kept us all pre occupied at the time, whilst the Hall's and co appear to have been scheming and plotting and concentrating their efforts and minds on other matters?

However, their smear campaign failed - as will Jeremy Bambers eventually!

[Holly Goodhead]

I guess one could ponder why?

Genetic propensity towards aggression and violence
Nurture including issues about adoption
Alcohol/recreational drug fuelled lowering inhibitions
Undiagnosed mental illness
Undiagnosed personality disorder
Other reasons?

Maybe it's time to call time on mass debating over Simon Hall and accept much will remain unknown possibly even to the perp himself!

It will be interesting to see what if anything this throws up:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/29/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-brain-study

I would have thought it was be a good idea to analyse his hormones too but don't know if this can be done post death.