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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #120 on: October 29, 2017, 09:55:34 PM »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #121 on: October 29, 2017, 09:57:23 PM »
Like so many others they couldn't believe that the young man they had got to know was capable of such depraved horror.

Even if I put my JB guilty hat on I don't see any parallels between the cases ie motive and/or personalities involved, background etc. 

One can pick up any newspaper any day and read some ghastly story about someone inflicting harm on another.  The question is why?

How about this character:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/16/cambridge-graduate-admits-137-online-abuse-charges/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #122 on: October 29, 2017, 10:06:36 PM »
Even if I put my JB guilty hat on I don't see any parallels between the cases ie motive and/or personalities involved, background etc. 

One can pick up any newspaper any day and read some ghastly story about someone inflicting harm on another.  The question is why?

How about this character:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/16/cambridge-graduate-admits-137-online-abuse-charges/

https://www.exposingtruth.com/psychopaths-serial-killers/

"These people are not all geniuses, and they are not inherently particularly effective at anything other than being ruthless. Their high levels of stress tolerance, or inability to feel their stress and process it, let them fool lie detectors, as well as most of us. To them, lying is such a small occurrence that it wouldn’t necessarily cause a real spike in their heart rate or pulse
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2017, 08:38:28 AM »
https://www.exposingtruth.com/psychopaths-serial-killers/

"These people are not all geniuses, and they are not inherently particularly effective at anything other than being ruthless. Their high levels of stress tolerance, or inability to feel their stress and process it, let them fool lie detectors, as well as most of us. To them, lying is such a small occurrence that it wouldn’t necessarily cause a real spike in their heart rate or pulse

"During the week many people avoid confronting their real stress by feeding a “party-hard” fantasy. Unfortunately, when they finally act to fulfill it, the experience is disappointing compared to the fantasy they’d been entertaining, which leaves them yearning, and determined, to do it again but this time to get it “right.” Serial crimes almost always follow a similar pattern: a never ending attempt to achieve an increasingly unreachable fantasy. The biggest difference is that while normal people are able to empathize with and recognize others as real, the psychopath is “stunted” in this respect and has a limited capacity to recognize the feelings of others as being real.

"The part of the problem of the serial killer is what Robert D. Keppel describes as a “clinical anger“: they hold onto anger, frequently, and even if they hide it well, it interferes with their normal life and potentially their health. At the root, their anger likely stems from dysfunctional attachment taking the form of “avoidant attachment,” and a lack of meaningful or positive relationships.  This gives us the hint that not every serial killer is a neurobiological psychopath.

Both neurobiological psychopaths and those “turned” through dysfunctional attachment don’t cry as infants when the caregiver leaves ,and also don’t want to play with the person giving the experiment: they don’t look for “proximity, interaction, or contact by reunion” when the caregiver returns. Much in the same way circumcision may lower a male’s sensitivity to pain, early and frequent experiences of abandonment or emotional neglect, feelings of being an “outsider” in the own family, makes them prone to not voicing or perceiving their emotions since they are used to no one caring anyways.

One theory states that psychopathy develops as a survival mechanism to regularly experiencing such situations, do not really develop internal emotional intelligence. They do not consciously notice how stressed they are: they create a diphasic personality to cope with it. This does not mean they have multiple personalities, it means they create a fantasy world for themselves , and mirror something else for everyone on the outside. With serial killers, this fantasy world is just far darker than with other subgroups to whom that description applies. These people “didn’t mature, because choosing to live in his fantasy world allowed him to say a child with no respect or consequences” (Keppel, p.325).


Even if I put my JB guilty hat on I don't see any parallels between the cases ie motive and/or personalities involved, background etc. 

One can pick up any newspaper any day and read some ghastly story about someone inflicting harm on another.  The question is why?


It's all there Holly -

Jeremy Bamber was/is ruthless.

He passed a lie detector test because lying causes him little or no stress

His actions following the murders are self explanatory - he sought out his fantasy world

"At the root, their anger likely stems from dysfunctional attachment taking the form of “avoidant attachment,” and a lack of meaningful or positive relationships

Bambers history shows he had attachment issues

When and where did he EVER display any anger towards losing his family?


The diphasic personality
http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Serial-Killers.html

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/cjrp/traits.html

Childhood abuse/trauma https://psue0b.wordpress.com/2013/10/23/what-motivates-a-serial-killer/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2017, 09:09:09 AM »
https://www.exposingtruth.com/psychopaths-serial-killers/

"These people are not all geniuses, and they are not inherently particularly effective at anything other than being ruthless. Their high levels of stress tolerance, or inability to feel their stress and process it, let them fool lie detectors, as well as most of us. To them, lying is such a small occurrence that it wouldn’t necessarily cause a real spike in their heart rate or pulse

The fact Jeremy Bamber passed a lie detector test is indicative of his guilt - NOT innocence!

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/lie-detector (the same applies to Luke Mitchell http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=945.0 and Nick Rose REFUSED to take a lie detector test http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2992.30)

And the fact he took it 2 decades AFTER his crimes of mass murder is further supportive of this.

Like Bamber, Simon Hall also managed to persuade the authorities, he did not have a dissocial personality disorder (Bambers pre trial assessment suggested psychopathy)

I do not believe Bambers campaign team have knowingly set out to mislead the public but that is exactly what statememts like this do:

"Bamber passed emphatically. Terry Mullins, Polygraph testing expert recommended that a verdict of NDI (No Deception Indicated) be recorded. [13] Mullins himself added: “I am absolutely convinced he is innocent... He did not show any sign of a reaction, not a flicker which would have shown up guilt.” [14]

As pointed out countless times before, a lie detector test does NOT register "deception" it registers stress responses. If the person taking the test is inclined to have little or no stress response - it won't register. It really is that simple.

https://www.exposingtruth.com/psychopaths-serial-killers/

"These people are not all geniuses, and they are not inherently particularly effective at anything other than being ruthless. Their high levels of stress tolerance, or inability to feel their stress and process it, let them fool lie detectors, as well as most of us. To them, lying is such a small occurrence that it wouldn’t necessarily cause a real spike in their heart rate or pulse
« Last Edit: October 30, 2017, 11:28:49 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #125 on: October 31, 2017, 09:49:14 PM »
And yet another similarity - private investigators appear to have been hired in both cases

Simon Halls girlfriends parents hired a PI to look into other suspects
« Last Edit: October 31, 2017, 09:55:41 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #126 on: November 24, 2017, 02:45:10 PM »
And another trait in common - both gamblers http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk  *&^^&

"Whether it involves gambling away one's life savings or committing one murder after another, a psychopath inevitably leaves the rest of us wondering: What was going on in his head? Now researchers report that part of the answer may be hypersensitivity to rewards, which may create a pathological drive for money, sex, and status.

All psychopaths share two characteristic traits: an inability to empathize with others' emotions, such as the fear in a person's face, and impulsive, anti-social behavior, such as reckless risk taking or excessive aggression. Neuroscientists have pinpointed neural mechanisms that may cause psychopaths' lack of empathy. But very little research has looked at what leads to impulsivity-which in some ways might be more important, because it can help predict a psychopath's tendency towards violent crime.

Neuroscientist Joshua Buckholtz of Vanderbilt University in Nashville and his colleagues decided to focus on a system of interconnected brain regions called the mesolimbic system, which motivate us to hunt for rewards by releasing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Drugs like heroine-to which psychopaths are also more susceptible—can push circuits in this system into overdrive, leaving addicts compulsively seeking another hit. The researchers hypothesized that psychopaths might also overreact to other rewards.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2010/03/psychopaths-keep-their-eyes-prize



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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #127 on: November 24, 2017, 03:25:13 PM »
And another trait in common - both gamblers http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk  *&^^&

"Whether it involves gambling away one's life savings or committing one murder after another, a psychopath inevitably leaves the rest of us wondering: What was going on in his head? Now researchers report that part of the answer may be hypersensitivity to rewards, which may create a pathological drive for money, sex, and status.

All psychopaths share two characteristic traits: an inability to empathize with others' emotions, such as the fear in a person's face, and impulsive, anti-social behavior, such as reckless risk taking or excessive aggression. Neuroscientists have pinpointed neural mechanisms that may cause psychopaths' lack of empathy. But very little research has looked at what leads to impulsivity-which in some ways might be more important, because it can help predict a psychopath's tendency towards violent crime.

Neuroscientist Joshua Buckholtz of Vanderbilt University in Nashville and his colleagues decided to focus on a system of interconnected brain regions called the mesolimbic system, which motivate us to hunt for rewards by releasing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Drugs like heroine-to which psychopaths are also more susceptible—can push circuits in this system into overdrive, leaving addicts compulsively seeking another hit. The researchers hypothesized that psychopaths might also overreact to other rewards.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2010/03/psychopaths-keep-their-eyes-prize

Drugs and Gambling -

I wonder if Bamber supporters are aware of how much of their money he spends on these?


"Adopted Bamber, aged 24 at the time, took a semi-automatic rifle and gunned down mum and dad, Neville and June, as well as his sister, Sheila, and her two sons, Daniel and Nicholas.

Despite all the evidence pointing to sicko Bamber, he tried to pin the horrific crime on Sheila, who was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.

But the jury saw through his web of lies and decided Bamber had carried out the twisted murders to get his hands on his family’s wealth.

Since his conviction, he has always claimed his innocence and launched multiple appeals.

In 1994, monster Bamber was told he would have to spend the rest of his life behind bars and will never be released.https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/572032/whole-life-sentence-prisoners-charles-bronson-jeremy-bamber-arthur-hutchinson-rose-west
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Offline Nicholas

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #130 on: April 02, 2018, 05:42:16 PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg455027#msg455027

In 2013 when the CCRC were considering Hall's application, they asked for his permission to take blood samples. They also requested full access to his medical records dating back to childhood.


Has Bamber given the CCRC full access to his medical records? What about his adoption records?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #131 on: April 02, 2018, 09:49:56 PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg455027#msg455027

In 2013 when the CCRC were considering Hall's application, they asked for his permission to take blood samples. They also requested full access to his medical records dating back to childhood.


Has Bamber given the CCRC full access to his medical records? What about his adoption records?

I would have thought once charged investigators and prosecutors were entitled to view JB's medi records and any other records with or without his permission?

I know EP sought his authority to access his bank details but this was before he was charged. 

What do you think his adoption records might show?  Surely this would only detail the circumstances of his birth and his placement with the Bambers?   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #132 on: April 02, 2018, 10:28:11 PM »
I would have thought once charged investigators and prosecutors were entitled to view JB's medi records and any other records with or without his permission?

What makes you think this?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #133 on: April 03, 2018, 03:06:24 PM »
What makes you think this?

Just an assumption on my part that investigators will have far reaching powers to go wherever they want but I might be completely wrong. 

We know the police are able to search property albeit with a warrant.  I think the small print on financial products states customers' details are confidential unless the organisation is ordered to make available info to law enforcement, HMRC and customs and excise.  So I'm assuming the police would be entitled to look at JB's medi records.

Author Roger Wilkes states the police looked into JB's background with a fine tooth comb and found nothing. 

I seem to recall in the case of Sion Jenkins it came to light he lied on his cv about his qualifications and I'm assuming this was picked up by the police carrying out background checks.

What do you think JB's medi records might reveal?       
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?
« Reply #134 on: April 03, 2018, 05:07:44 PM »
Just an assumption on my part that investigators will have far reaching powers to go wherever they want but I might be completely wrong. 

We know the police are able to search property albeit with a warrant.  I think the small print on financial products states customers' details are confidential unless the organisation is ordered to make available info to law enforcement, HMRC and customs and excise.  So I'm assuming the police would be entitled to look at JB's medi records.
 

I think it would be helpful to you it you found the answer out for yourself Holly.


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