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Offline John

A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« on: October 20, 2017, 07:02:21 PM »
Michigan teen pleads guilty to dad's murder after family pressure.

Published 28 April 2016



The family of Tucker Cipriano did everything they could to get their son some help. But unfortunately his addiction would take a deadly turn.

From the outside, the Cipriano family lived a near-perfect life in a nearly perfect home in Farmington Hills, a wealthy community just outside of Detroit, Michigan.

Bob Cipriano, 52, was a beloved public school administrator. His wife Rose, 51, an avid swimmer and equally loved fitness instructor. By all accounts they are devoted parents who raised four sweet kids with strong values.
Theirs was a quaint, uneventful life until early on the morning of April 16, 2012, when evil rained down and completely shattered their near-perfect world.

Two intruders broke in and brutally beat Bob Cipriano with a baseball bat. Then they turn their rage on Rose. The Ciprianos' son Salvatore races in and is the next to fall.

Their little girl Isabella trembles with the horror playing out in front of her as her big brother Tanner hides in a closet and dials 911.

When police arrive, Rose and Salvatore are barely still alive. Tragically, Bob is bludgeoned so badly he drowned in a pool of his own blood.

Police say the motive for this heinous attack is robbery, and the assailants weren't planning to leave any witnesses behind.

The suspects? Every bit as shocking as the crime itself.
Within hours after the beatings, police arrest the Cipriano's oldest son, 19-year-old Tucker, and his friend, 20-year-old Mitchell Young.

In video arraignments, a tearful Mitchell Young and a calm, collected Tucker Cipriano both plead not guilty, each blaming the other for beating the Cipriano family.

Crime Watch Daily Detroit affiliate WXYZ reports Tucker is accused of killing his own father.

"Tucker attacks Mr. Cipriano with a baseball bat, and starts beating him with it. And Mr. Young says to Mr. Cipriano, 'What are you doing, what are you doing?'" said Assistant Prosecutor John Skrzynski.

But Tucker says it's the other way around, claiming Mitchell Young, who goes by his middle name, Roderick, is the one who savagely beat his parents.

"He stated he held him from behind and Roderick was hitting him in the head with a baseball bat," said Farmington Hills Detective Jason McDonald. "His words were 'a lot.'"

Tucker was adopted when he was just four days old and reportedly always struggled to fit in. He admits attacking his younger brother, Salvatore, but says he tried to get his 8-year-old sister out of harm's way.

"He was pleading with her to stay in her room because he didn't want anything bad happening to his sister," said McDonald. "She was stating, 'I thought you loved me. I thought you loved me.' And his response to that was he was telling her that he did love her, and to please stay in the room."

Tucker tells cops Isabella was literally saved by the bell.

"Roderick had his sister Isabella and the doorbell rang, she ran to the door, breaking away from Roderick, and it was the police, and at that point is when he said he ran out the back," said McDonald.

Both assailants reportedly copped to robbery, but neither one would confess to beating Tucker's parents.

"It was decided that Tucker was going to go after his two brothers and Roderick was going to go after the mom and the dad," said Tucker's friend Ian Zinderman.

Zinderman testified in exchange for immunity. He claims the whole attack was planned out after the three of them got high on "K2" synthetic marijuana. But Zinderman pulled out of the murderous plot.

"Roderick was supposed to go for the sister, from what I understand," said Zinderman.

"I did not go to the Cipriano household intending to hurt anyone," said Mitchell Young. "I didn't go there intending to hurt anyone, let alone to kill someone."

For weeks leading up to the trial, Bob Cipriano's brother Greg was desperate to keep the Cipriano family from having to relive their nightmare in court. He went to see Tucker in jail, hoping to convince him to man up, accept his fate, and plead guilty to first-degree murder.

"I don't see the point in doing life behind bars. I don't see living behind bars," Tucker said in a recorded phone call with Greg Cipriano.

"Well if you go through this trial, your family will be traumatized," said Greg Cipriano.

"I feel disrespectful saying this but I feel like fighting for the rest of my life is the only thing I have, the only option I have left to do," Tucker said. "Giving up is like hanging myself, Greg. That's what it feels like to me."

    "Well, your dad paid for it with his life," Greg said. "And if you have any hope of redemption whatsoever of your soul you would do something about it."

"Don't come at me like that," said Tucker.

Tucker was defiant, insisting that he could never hurt his father. Then just days before the trial, Greg Cipriano tried again, this time bringing Tucker's brother Tanner along.

"The biggest moment of your life could be right now," Tanner told Tucker. "What is more meaningful to me is if you, that you could take responsibility for the first time in your life, just as dad always wanted you to."

His brother's pleas struck a chord.

"That opened my eyes and broke my heart," said Tucker. "I feel like the only way that I'll be able to express my love for the family enough, I'm taking responsibility, you know. I'm sorry for treating you the way I did, you know. I love you. Tanner, I love you so much."

"I love you too," said Tanner. "We all love you."

Just days later Tucker stood in open court and kept his word to his brother.

"So you're willing to accept the rest of your life in prison and take a plea?"

"Yes sir," said Tucker.

Through it all, Tucker graduated as valedictorian of his class. But his twin brother Salvatore is struggling to recover. He still can't speak, he only talks through text, and his mom says Salvatore is paralyzed on his left side.

"Salvatore was in a walker and he had a feeding tube," said Rose Cipriano. "He was drooling, he couldn't use his left arm very well, and his left leg."
Tucker Cipriano pleaded no contest to first-degree murder.

Prior to being led away he read an emotional farewell to his parents:

    "Dad, a lot of people miss you down here. I love you and I hope, for what it's worth, I did what you would've wanted me to do. Mom, you remember when the teachers had to detach us, from you, to be able to leave on my first day of first grade, but wouldn't let you go? Well mom, I wish I would've never let go."

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/04/28/michigan-teen-pleads-guilty-to-dads-murder-after-family-pressure/
« Last Edit: October 20, 2017, 07:15:28 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 09:47:08 AM »
John I'm not really sure what the argument is here?

Adoptees are surely representative of the population at large?  A minority of adult adoptees murder members of their adoptive family in the same way that non adoptees murder members of their birth family?

Here are two cases where adopted daughters murdered or attempted to murder members of their adoptive family:

http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/vadodara-adopted-daughter-kills-parents-for-lover-bodies-decompse-for-two-months/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512612/Girl-sentenced-10-20-years-plot-kill-family-members.html


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 11:25:46 AM »
John I'm not really sure what the argument is here?

Adoptees are surely representative of the population at large?  A minority of adult adoptees murder members of their adoptive family in the same way that non adoptees murder members of their birth family?

Here are two cases where adopted daughters murdered or attempted to murder members of their adoptive family:

http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/vadodara-adopted-daughter-kills-parents-for-lover-bodies-decompse-for-two-months/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512612/Girl-sentenced-10-20-years-plot-kill-family-members.html


"The general public tends to view murderers as absolutely evil persons or people so damaged they can't possibly live among us. But most killers are untreated traumatized children who are controlling the actions of the scary adults they have become. Trauma is fundamental, but often the general public doesn't see that part of it. They see the result of trauma rather than a murder's origins in trauma. Most of what's been done in the past in these cases is either what's called a social history, which is a biographical compendium, or clinical assessment and diagnosis. But what I do is developmental analysis. Often, the social history has a lot of facts in it, but the facts are not connected conceptually. They can say, "This kid's mother abandoned him," but don't go the next step about why maternal abandonment is so devastating. Or they'll talk about how someone was engaging in impulsive behavior as a teenager, but not why teenage brains are so vulnerable.http://www.apa.org/monitor/2016/02/killers.aspx
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline John

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 11:38:07 AM »
John I'm not really sure what the argument is here?

Adoptees are surely representative of the population at large?  A minority of adult adoptees murder members of their adoptive family in the same way that non adoptees murder members of their birth family?

Here are two cases where adopted daughters murdered or attempted to murder members of their adoptive family:

http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/vadodara-adopted-daughter-kills-parents-for-lover-bodies-decompse-for-two-months/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512612/Girl-sentenced-10-20-years-plot-kill-family-members.html

I came across this case by accident after trawling Cipriano.  I thought it was yet another good example of a damaged orphaned child biting the hand that fed him.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 11:51:53 AM »
Why does Jeremy Bamber AVOID talking about his adoption and indeed his time spent at boarding school and the effect both these traumatic events had on him

Simon Hall was deeply effected by his adoption but didn't show it until he was "caught in the lie;" the Zenith burglary omission

It then became apparent it was all about appearances, not just from his point of view but from the point of view of some of his family members also.

They all attemptied to pretend everything was tickecty boo, they were just a normal family - it turned out they were anything but normal

Simon Hall appeared to have murdered out of unresolved anger. He said his victim represented his adoptive mother

Jeremy Bamber pretends to his supporters that he's a good all round guy. They are fooled by his charm, his calculated and cunning nature, just as I once was by Hall

We are all shaped by our past experiences but somehow Bamber supporters gloss over his and sweep them under the carpet
« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 11:56:25 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline John

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 11:56:10 AM »
Why does Jeremy Bamber AVOID talking about his adoption and indeed his time spent at boarding school and the effect both these traumatic events had on him

Simon Hall was deeply effected by his adoption but didn't show it until he was "caught in the lie;" the Zenith burglary omission

It then became apparent it was all about appearances, not just from his point of view but from the point of view of some of his family members also.

They all attempting to pretend everything was tickecty boo, they were just a normal family - it turned out they were anything but normal

Simon Hall appeared to have murdered out of unresolved anger. He said his victim represented his mother

Jeremy Bamber pretends to his supporters that he's a good all round guy. They are fooled by his charm, his calculated and cunning nature, just as I once was by Hall

We are all shaped by our past experiences but somehow Bamber supporters gloss over his and sweep them under the carpet

Yet so many of them never learn?  Are they infatuated, lovestruck or just sad?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 11:57:07 AM »
Yet so many of them never learn?   Are they infatuated, lovestruck or just sad?

But there is a reason they never learn John and it's not helped by the fact the hard core Bamber supporters, including those close to him (His "friends" the campaign team etc), cannot see they are being controlled, and not just by Jeremy Bamber

I would suggest many of Bambers supporters have unresolved issues of their own, as I came to learn as did I

Simon Hall fed off my vulnerabilities as Jeremy Bamber is doing to his victims

Untill each and every one of Bambers victims recognise this in themselves they will continue to go round in circles

Though I fully recognise there are also some individuals who are choosing to allow things to go round in circles due to their personal motives and agendas; whether they just get a kick out, they are motivated by monetary gain, or because they cannot bare the thought of having to accept their lifes work was all for nothing, only they can answer that, but ultimately it suggests they have unresolved issues of their own

From my own experience of the blue forum, for example, emotional blackmail appears to be the weapon of choice for some

"Emotional blackmail and FOG, terms coined by psychotherapist Susan Forward, are about controlling people in relationships and the theory that fear, obligation and guilt ("FOG") are the transactional dynamics at play between the controller and the person being controlled.


« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 12:55:59 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 12:56:26 PM »
Yet so many of them never learn?  Are they infatuated, lovestruck or just sad?

John can I ask please how you would define a JB 'supporter'?  Do you see me as a 'supporter'?  And if so which category would you place me in:

- Infatuated?
- Lovestruck?
- Or just sad? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 12:58:20 PM »
John can I ask please how you would define a JB 'supporter'?  Do you see me as a 'supporter'?  And if so which category would you place me in:

- Infatuated?
- Lovestruck?
- Or just sad?

How would you define yourself Holly?

Why do you seek Johns opinion of yourself?

Are you looking for his approval or disapproval

And why do I always get the sense from you, you are sparring for a fight/argument

Could you be sad; as in, unhappy, Holly?

At the end of the day your motivations are personal to you. Only you know why you have chosen to come out in support of Bamber (a convicted mass murderer) and spend time on the net fighting his cause.

Why have you chosen to fight for Jeremy Bamber, and not say, to fight for world peace or some other deserving cause

Why the Jeremy Bamber case?

Is your motivation anything to do with your adoption

"Justice for Sheila and Jeremy. Victims of poorly arranged baby scoop era adoptions. Australia has apologised. Time for the UK to do the same?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/9

Was it your search for answers to your own quest that brought you to the case

I don't expect you to answer btw; your reasoning will be personal to yourself

But why have you put a convicted mass murderer on a pedastal over and above his sister, who was suffering from mental health issues

Are you suggesting Jeremy was unscathed by his adoption
« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 01:16:56 PM »
I came across this case by accident after trawling Cipriano.  I thought it was yet another good example of a damaged orphaned child biting the hand that fed him.

I don't know anything about the case but we know birth children also murder their birth parents so it can't just be down to "damaged orphans". 

We also know some adoptees/orphans are by most people's standards very successful eg the late Steve Jobs so I don't think it is possible to generalise. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 01:18:44 PM »
I don't know anything about the case but we know birth children also murder their birth parents so it can't just be down to "damaged orphans". 


What is often said to be the cause behind the reasoning of why birth children murder their birth parents

And why did you divert to Steven Jobs? He was never under suspicion of murder was he?

Could it be you who is generalising perhaps
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 01:26:49 PM »
I don't know anything about the case but we know birth children also murder their birth parents so it can't just be down to "damaged orphans". 

We also know some adoptees/orphans are by most people's standards very successful eg the late Steve Jobs so I don't think it is possible to generalise.

As an aside I do know that all the research/statistics shows that a child growing up in a non-biological family: adoptive, foster, step-parent is more likely to be murdered by his/her non-biological parents than a biological child growing up with his/her biological parents.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 01:38:26 PM »
As an aside I do know that all the research/statistics shows that a child growing up in a non-biological family: adoptive, foster, step-parent is more likely to be murdered by his/her non-biological parents than a biological child growing up with his/her biological parents.

You have veered again Holly

We know JB and NB didn't murder their children and we know it was either Jeremy or Sheila

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 02:29:20 PM »
John can I ask please how you would define a JB 'supporter'?  Do you see me as a 'supporter'?  And if so which category would you place me in:

- Infatuated?
- Lovestruck?
- Or just sad?

Anyone can be duped Holly http://withoutempathy.blogspot.co.uk

"Dr. Martha Stout, in her book 'The Sociopath Next Door', discusses the techniques of the sociopath - what she refers to as 'the tools of the trade'. The first technique she talks about is charm. Dr. Stout believes it is "a primary characteristic of sociopathy. The intense charm of people who have no conscience, a kind of inexplicable charisma, has been observed and commented on by countless victims, and by researchers who attempt to catalog the diagnostic signs of sociopathy. It is a potent characteristic". Dr. Robert Hare and Dr. Paul Babiak talk about the role of charm during the interview process in their latest book "Snakes in Suits - When Psychopaths Go To Work". According to the book, "one of the most effective skills psychopaths use to get the trust of people is their ability to charm them. Some psychopaths lay the charm on too thick, coming across as glib, superficial, and unconvincing. Hower, the truly talented ones have raised their ability to charm people to that of an art, priding themselves on their ability to present a fictional self to others that is convincing, taken at face value, and difficult to penetrate". One must always keep in mind that the charm, like manipulation, can be very subtle.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 02:32:05 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: A more recent case of an adopted son murdering his family.
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 02:39:45 PM »
Adoption aside -

A friend told me about this video sometime before Hall confessed, its an eye opener and worth watching

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TB0k7wBzXPY
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation