Author Topic: Blogger Nigel Nessling avoids prison after downloading 40,000 indecent images.  (Read 96083 times)

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Offline John

Unless you know something I don't, I can think of no reason why this thread can be seen as being aimed at anyone but Nigel Nessling. As far as I know they didn't know him or endorse him so they cannot be held responsible for what he did. Neither can his behaviour be said to have brought them into disrepute.

The only people I see as culpable are Nessling and those like him, whether they support the McCanns or question them. My conscience is clear because I have never encouraged or applauded anyone who employs nasty personal attacks on others to try and garner support for their stance.

Forums generally have some form of moderation but blogs are a law unto themselves.  The only way to get something removed from a blog if the creator refuses is to complain to the internet service provider who hosts it.  This is seldom successful however.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 04:40:40 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline G-Unit

I have to reply to you G Unit,  even though I don't agree that this thread serves any purpose apart from going over what Nigel Nessling did,   it will not make us any more aware of how people behave in private at all.

As for being abusive and nasty online,  I can't see that being a red flag to anyone that that person could not be a friendly person off line and have such a disgusting 'hobby'.

I really don't agree about what you say about Tony Bennett either,   no he doesn't swear at anyone,   he makes himself out to be a upstanding citizen doesn't he?   A Christian?   Only wanting truth for Madeleien.   Though what upstanding Christian,  writes a letter pretending to be a dead Madeleine?    goading and torturing her family?  Then to the words of 'Silent Night'   mock that they may go to prison.   Is that ok to you?

If someone is nasty online I don't want to interact with them on or offline. Once again Tony Bennett is mentioned, even though he isn't overtly abusive. Is he the best you can find? I haven't seen the posts to which you refer, sorry. i know he's a member of this Forum, and his posts seem free from abuse and polite.
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If someone is nasty online I don't want to interact with them on or offline. Once again Tony Bennett is mentioned, even though he isn't overtly abusive. Is he the best you can find? I haven't seen the posts to which you refer, sorry. i know he's a member of this Forum, and his posts seem free from abuse and polite.
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We also have to consider what Nessling accused Bennett of.

Hardly pleasant.

Offline slartibartfast

Standing silently beside those who are employing the very tactics you describe is possibly tantamount to encouraging or applauding them. Perhaps you should start by reading Bennett's treatment of Sergey, which I understand is now in the members-only section of another forum you belong to.
IMO.

So should we condemn supporters for standing silently beside Nessling?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline misty

So should we condemn supporters for standing silently beside Nessling?

That would depend on which of the wise monkeys "you" liken yourselves to.

Offline slartibartfast

That would depend on which of the wise monkeys "you" liken yourselves to.

Looking at his posts, I would condemn any sceptic who posted likewise. However  I don’t search the internet to find supporters or sceptics to condemn and tend to restrict myself to places I post.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline G-Unit

From what I have read individuals who are sex offenders do not advertise their perversions: this man is no different.

Of course he was a hypocrite.  People leading double lives do that.

Of course he presented a different public persona to his private one.  People leading double lives do that … in fact almost everyone does whether sex offender or no.

I never expected anyone to realise what he might be up to, but his online persona was not that of a nice person. I did provide proof, but it was deleted. His posts were encouraged and applauded by others, so it does have something to say about others as well as him.

« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 01:15:00 AM by John »
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Offline Alice Purjorick

It must be a real bummer for those with a higher intelligence, as avowed by Nessling they are, to find they were not following the Messiah but some gink with a flute who led 'em right up the garden path and dropped them in the pond.

A bit like this me deerios.
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Offline Mr Gray

It must be a real bummer for those with a higher intelligence, as avowed by Nessling they are, to find they were not following the Messiah but some gink with a flute who led 'em right up the garden path and dropped them in the pond.

A bit like this me deerios.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q41a-2AN3Uo

Do you have ant idea how many followers he had....this thread manages about 10 on average...which seems to be a similar number to other forums.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Do you have ant idea how many followers he had....this thread manages about 10 on average...which seems to be a similar number to other forums.

I don't think that is relevant to the point I was making.
Clearly a number on here followed him. The slavish copying/aping of his syntax* is testament to that.

* used in the loosest possible sense of the word of course.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 01:24:50 PM by John »
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline G-Unit

Do you have ant idea how many followers he had....this thread manages about 10 on average...which seems to be a similar number to other forums.

I have no idea how many followers he had. Do tell.
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Offline Mr Gray

I have no idea how many followers he had. Do tell.
It was Alice who raised the terms followers and Messiah...which I find s bit barmy...imo the influence of these blogs is wildly overestimated...this thread has an average of 12 followers

Offline Lace

I never expected anyone to realise what he might be up to, but his online persona was not that of a nice person. I did provide proof, but it was deleted. His posts were encouraged and applauded by others, so it does have something to say about others as well as him.

He wasn't a nice person because he condemned those people who were saying the McCann's were guilty,   you don't have the opposite side do you?   What were they saying about him?  so  that he had to reply in such a nasty way?  I have come across many nasty anti's in my time,  some downright disgusting in their posts.

People are cheering Bennett on Richard D Hall,    yet what they are saying is appalling,   Bennett likened Madeleine to Lolita,   is that nice?

At the moment the photo's of Madeleine are yet again being poured over, some of the posts I can't repeat as they are suggesting evil things.   These people are being cheered on,  encouraged,   yet without swearing or being abusive to others they are still upsetting and sickening posts.

I can ensure you if any of those posters were to converse with me online and say what they are saying,  then I can honestly say I would be abusive to them,  I would probably call them something horrible,   because,  when you are so angered by others using a child to discuss things like that,  a child who can't defend herself,  a child whose parents are trying to find her and are suffering daily wondering what is happening to her,  it brings out the worse in people.

It doesn't mean that we can tell by the actions of others what they do in private though,  they cover it up that is how they get away with it,  Drs,  teachers,  social workers you name it,  they are everywhere covering up their sordid secret.

« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 01:06:06 PM by John »

Offline Erngath

He wasn't a nice person because he condemned those people who were saying the McCann's were guilty,   you don't have the opposite side do you?   What were they saying about him?  so  that he had to reply in such a nasty way?  I have come across many nasty anti's in my time,  some downright disgusting in their posts.

People are cheering Bennett on Richard D Hall,    yet what they are saying is appalling,   Bennett likened Madeleine to Lolita,   is that nice?

At the moment the photo's of Madeleine are yet again being poured over, some of the posts I can't repeat as they are suggesting evil things.   These people are being cheered on,  encouraged,   yet without swearing or being abusive to others they are still upsetting and sickening posts.

I can ensure you if any of those posters were to converse with me online and say what they are saying,  then I can honestly say I would be abusive to them,  I would probably call them something horrible,   because,  when you are so angered by others using a child to discuss things like that,  a child who can't defend herself,  a child whose parents are trying to find her and are suffering daily wondering what is happening to her,  it brings out the worse in people.

It doesn't mean that we can tell by the actions of others what they do in private though,  they cover it up that is how they get away with it,  Drs,  teachers,  social workers you name it,  they are everywhere covering up their sordid secret.



Well said
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 01:06:36 PM by John »
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Brietta

Preying on the predators: Inside the team who removed 57,000 web pages of child abuse material in a year

A team of analysts, former call-centre workers, drama students, mums and grandparents, took down the pages, each containing tens of thousands of abuse images, last year

ByEmily RetterSenior Feature Writer
22:52, 6 DEC 2017UPDATED22:54, 6 DEC 2017


At his computer screen in his pleasant office, on a mundane industrial estate near Cambridge, Peter stared into the bedroom of a 12-year-old British girl forced into performing an explicit sexual act in front of her laptop.

The image was particularly depraved and, although obviously sickened, Peter forced himself to look.

He had a job to do. In the background was a cupboard that he recognised from Argos, British plug sockets, and another sign he cannot specify, which allowed him to roughly locate the traumatised child.

He informed local police, who rescued her within two days from the clutches of the unseen voyeurs who had groomed her and forced her to perform for them, before posting the sick results of their devastating abuse online for countless other paedophiles to watch.

Peter, whose identity we are protecting, sees an image of a child being sexually abused most days of his working life.

As one of 13 analysts employed by the Internet Watch Foundation, his job is to take the images down and, if possible, trace the victims.

He and his fellow analysts, former call-centre workers, drama students, mums and grandparents, took down 57,000 web pages, each containing tens of thousands of abuse images, last year.

Over half of them involved children under the age of 10, and 2% were aged two and under. Peter, 45, explains: “I view thousands of images of child abuse every day.

"A lot of the images I see are of children in their bedroom, but generally all you can do is take the image down and that is a small victory.

“There is no starker warning to parents who might let children take their laptop into their bedroom. They could be inviting anyone in.”

Peter reveals that police found this particular British 12-year-old had been groomed for years. And that is not rare.

This week, the National Crime Agency revealed they had overseen the arrest of nearly 200 paedophiles, thought to be grooming around 250 victims, in a one-week blitz.

Around a third of the cases involved children being coerced to send indecent images of themselves over the internet, or live stream their abuse.

The use of live-streaming apps by paedophiles is on the rise.

This week Glen Friend, from London, became the first to be jailed for using a live-streaming app to abuse a child. Through it, he groomed a nine-year-old and enticed her to expose herself.

The NCA arrests around 400 people a month for sharing indecent images of children online. This is just one of the reasons the Daily Mirror’s NSPCC and Childline Christmas appeal is so vital.

Every hour, 20 calls and online chat requests to Childline go answered due to a lack of funding and staff. Just a few pounds could make a huge difference to a desperate child crying out for help.

The Internet Watch Foundation is pivotal in rescuing children from abuse.

Just two months after the 12-year-old’s case, Peter managed to pinpoint another British victim, a girl aged around 13.

“It was the same kind of thing – in her bedroom, with a laptop. We figured out where she was,”  says Peter, himself a dad of two stepchildren, aged 11 and seven.

“This job does alert you to the dangers children are in if you leave them unattended on the internet. Ours don’t go in their bedrooms to use it, and we keep an eye on their search history.”

Peter and his team seek out illegal material so obscene that only employees are allowed in the office, which has been chosen to ensure that occupants in surrounding buildings cannot see inside.

Peter has been working here for two years. Before, he was an RAF intelligence analyst. In Afghanistan and Iraq, he saw images of people being blown up.

“But until you see what we see here, you can’t comprehend it. It is horrific,” he admits. “If it’s a baby in a No1 Dad top, for example, that really hits home.”

He says becoming a stepdad was a driving force in his decision to take the job. His colleague Isobel, 28, doesn’t have children but is equally motivated.

She studied drama and then worked in a call centre, but desperately wanted to do something “worthwhile”.

“I didn’t know what to expect at all. We are talking the most shocking images – a baby being abused,” she says. “But I’m just really proud to remove these images.

“I have stopped people looking at them. And every time an image is looked at, that child becomes re-victimised.”

Yet the analysts admit that many of the harrowing images they remove go straight back up online. Isabel explains that they take whole websites of twisted abuse down, only to see them reappear.

She says: “We keep on it, we have the URL and we keep grabbing it. There have been some we have been taking down since I started here three years ago.”

The foundation was formed in 1996. Every year, it removes around 60,000 web pages displaying millions of images.

It is the only organisation of its kind in the UK, and, even with just 13 analysts, it is the biggest in the world.

It partly sustains itself with EU grants, but 80% of its funding is raised by charging its 132 members, including Google, Microsoft and Yahoo, for the use of its products, including tools to block indecent images. “I have [blocked] 12,000 images in a day,” explains Peter.

The recruitment process is strict – only those with strong “emotional resilience” are chosen.

Two interviews, including one with a psychologist, are followed by a session where images are presented to candidates in phases – beginning with adult porn, moving through animations of child abuse, then sexual posing and sexual activity, and finally sadistic abuse. There is a phased six-month introduction process. Peter says: “Most months you see something where you have to get up and go for a walk.

“But we are ready for it. And if there are images that keep reoccurring in our minds, our counsellor can give us techniques.” As well as a 10-minute break every hour, all analysts have a mandatory counselling session every month and see a psychologist each year.

One of their coping techniques, bizarrely, is juggling. Downstairs, the analysts’ chill-out zone is surprising – a bright space with bunting, picnic tables, table tennis, bowls of calming lavender – and yes, juggling balls.

“Having this distances us from what we do,” says Isobel. “We can’t be drawn in, and here it is bright and colourful.”

It’s the boost this small team needs. They only wish the child victims they see every day were safe in a room like this, and that is why they do what they do.

For more information about the Internet Watch Foundation or to find out how to report images of child sexual exploitation visit www.iwf.org.uk.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/preying-predators-inside-team-who-11651980?ptnr_rid=627654&icid=EM_Mirror_Nletter_DailyNews



The case under discussion here is merely the tip of the iceberg as far as the sexual abuse of children is concerned but in getting fixated on one individual's case ... which has been subject to due process ... there is a grave danger of ignoring the real and present dangers facing our vulnerable children.

Misty has posted concerns of recent developments with the internet giants enabling more children the freedom of instant communication ... in my opinion this has to run hand in glove with measures to safeguard them from those who will and are perversely utilising that same freedom to corrupt and ruin young lives.

As outlined in the above Mirror item that has begin with supervision in the home and in my opinion more resources ploughed into tracing and prosecuting those who as facilities on the internet progress, advance their predatory practices apace.

I truly do not think we fully appreciate the scale of the problem and future implications for our society if this is allowed to get any more out of control than it is already.

Yes ... there is a discussion to be had ... but it does not centre on one offender who has been brought to book for viewing images ... not live streaming them.  Which in my opinion is something even more creepy and is the immediate problem which requires to be addressed. 

As I see it the present live streaming abuse which has already caused some youngsters to commit suicide and which must be blighting the lives of many more, is a far more important target for concern than offenders who are caught and judged unlikely to offend further ... and who now will get a routine visit from the police any time there is a criminal act committed anywhere in his locale.
He is known to police ... his name is on the sex offender's register ... in my opinion, it is the unknown ones we really need to be concerned about.




"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....